porbleme mit HDD und FLoppy

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geezee

hi@all!

vielleicht weis jemand, was man da machen kann, ich hab ein ziemlich
abgedrehtes problem:

ich habe ein compaq presario 716ea notebook, mit grub boot-loader und
suse 9.2 und win200 als systeme. lief alles gut, bis eines tages
folgendes passierte:

die disk LED fing an durchgehend zu leuchten, und das floppy drive nach
einer disk zu suchen (es gab so komische geräusche von sich, als
würde es versuchen, eine disk zu laden). eventuell hört das auch
wieder auf, eher aber führt es zum systemabsturz. bei neuerlichem
booten erhalte ich: operating system not found.
wenn ich das system auskühlen lasse, startet das notebook hoch und
nach einer bis vier stunden spielen disk und floppy wieder verrückt.
ich habe linux neu installiert und dachte schon, dass das problem damit
behoben ist, doch am nächsten tag war wieder das gleiche los.
das problem tritt unter linux und windows auf.
ein fsck bringt die fehlermeldung: bad superblock und wenn ich
versuche, debian zu installieren, kriege ich die meldung, dass der ide
controller nicht erkannt wird.
in kaltem zustand ist alles ok.

danke mal voraus!

geezee
 
T

Timothy Daniels

:
vielleicht weis jemand, was man da machen kann, ich hab ein ziemlich
abgedrehtes problem:

-----------------------------


Und jetzt, auf Englisch.... ?

*TimDaniels*
 
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Arno Wagner

Previously geezee said:
vielleicht weis jemand, was man da machen kann, ich hab ein ziemlich
abgedrehtes problem:
ich habe ein compaq presario 716ea notebook, mit grub boot-loader und
suse 9.2 und win200 als systeme. lief alles gut, bis eines tages
folgendes passierte:
die disk LED fing an durchgehend zu leuchten, und das floppy drive nach
einer disk zu suchen (es gab so komische geräusche von sich, als
würde es versuchen, eine disk zu laden). eventuell hört das auch
wieder auf, eher aber führt es zum systemabsturz. bei neuerlichem
booten erhalte ich: operating system not found.
wenn ich das system auskühlen lasse, startet das notebook hoch und
nach einer bis vier stunden spielen disk und floppy wieder verrückt.
ich habe linux neu installiert und dachte schon, dass das problem damit
behoben ist, doch am nächsten tag war wieder das gleiche los.
das problem tritt unter linux und windows auf.
ein fsck bringt die fehlermeldung: bad superblock und wenn ich
versuche, debian zu installieren, kriege ich die meldung, dass der ide
controller nicht erkannt wird.
in kaltem zustand ist alles ok.

For all the non-german speakers here:

geezee has the problem that in a warm state (after some hours)
his laptop tries boot from floppy, not finding the disk.
It also crashes/reboots after a few hours or running normally.
Cold state boots work.

My Advice: This is most likely a cooling problem. Might be a
defect fan or fan/air channels clogged up by dust. You should
investigate this immediately. I had one Sony Vaio die slowly with
similar symptoms (there it was a design problem with the chipset
being inadequately cooled).

Arno
 
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geezee

sorry, somehow i thought, this is a german group, because it was the
first posting i made here and i couldnt select english as language...
(?)
well anyway...
thanx for your tip, arno. i already found a website about how to open
my laptop, i just have to buy the right screw driver, then i'm gonna
check that.
i also tried to do a fsck under linux and got a "bad super block". do
you know if its possible, that the machine comes up, even having a bad
super block and then suddenly after a few minutes goes crazy with the
disk and floppy drives? could my problem be caused by an
(software)-correctable error? i thought about setting an alternative
super block, or something, the truth is that i dont really know how
that works and how to set another super block.

thanx, geezee
 
F

Folkert Rienstra

Arno Wagner said:
For all the non-german speakers here:

geezee has the problem that in a warm state (after some hours)
his laptop tries boot from floppy, not finding the disk.

Odd, that's not at all what I read.
They must speak a rather different kind of german in Swiss-land.

OP said the disk activity LED started to continuously light-up
(presumably when OP is working on it) and the system then began
accessing the floppy, looking for a disk, making sounds as if
it was trying to 'load a disk' but at times that may also stop
again, but more often than not ends in a system crash.
It also crashes/reboots after a few hours or running normally.

No, OP only said it crashes. At reboot it then can't find the OS.
OP also said that Debian install doesn't recognize the IDE controller.
Cold state boots work.

Whatever 'work' means in your rather mangled interpretation.
OP said that in cold state everything is OK.
My Advice: This is most likely a cooling problem.

Or a temperature induced problem, like a bad connection, not
necessarily over-temperature, like with inadequate cooling.
 
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Arno Wagner

Previously geezee said:
sorry, somehow i thought, this is a german group, because it was the
first posting i made here and i couldnt select english as language...
(?)
well anyway...
thanx for your tip, arno. i already found a website about how to open
my laptop, i just have to buy the right screw driver, then i'm gonna
check that.
i also tried to do a fsck under linux and got a "bad super block". do
you know if its possible, that the machine comes up, even having a bad
super block and then suddenly after a few minutes goes crazy with the
disk and floppy drives?

Unlikely. You can corect the bad superblock, but it getting bad in
the first place indicated a serious problem.
could my problem be caused by an (software)-correctable error?

I doubt it. The breaks-down-after-some-time-and-stays-defect-
until-cold-again behaviour is very typical for overheating.
i thought about setting an alternative
super block, or something, the truth is that i dont really know how
that works and how to set another super block.

If you need to do that, you can find information in the man page
of "e2fsck" (which can also repair the superblock), in the
description of the option for '-b'. However you should first
repair the hardware problem. Otherwise you could damage your
data.

Arno
 

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