{POLL} Windows Vista vs. Linux ? Worth the upgrade ? Worth the switchover?

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Considering what I've read in regards to Windows Vista in newsgroups
recently (both positive and negative) I'm just curious how many users
are going to dump Windows for Linux rather than upgrade to Windows Vista
? Comments ? Flames ?

How many users are going to make Windows 2K/XP (or even ME) their last
version of Windows and simply make the switch rather than upgrade vista?

I've already started the move over myself; currently tripple booting 2
version of linux and windows xp MCE (simply for the fact I need the
programs my school uses but once support runs out for XP I'm done with
Windows). I just bought my computer in October and it says that its
Windows Vista Ready but I doubt that very much from what I've read. :-)

Of course I'm not going to use any version of Linux that has the Oracle
label on it as Oracle is just as bad as Microsoft.

-Woodzy
http://www.rtdos.com
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1) From general observations and experience I say anyone even considering
an MS upgrade before at least SP1 and probably SP2 - must have rocks in
their heads.

2) It's no problem for my. We have five home computers. I believe I have
one that can actually boot an MS install - XP on an Everex I bought the
wife as an upgrade last year. But I do that so seldom I'm not sure. No
need for MS any more.
 
proteanthread said:
Considering what I've read in regards to Windows Vista in newsgroups
recently (both positive and negative) I'm just curious how many users are
going to dump Windows for Linux rather than upgrade to Windows Vista ?
Comments ? Flames ?

How many users are going to make Windows 2K/XP (or even ME) their last
version of Windows and simply make the switch rather than upgrade vista?

I've already started the move over myself; currently tripple booting 2
version of linux and windows xp MCE (simply for the fact I need the
programs my school uses but once support runs out for XP I'm done with
Windows). I just bought my computer in October and it says that its
Windows Vista Ready but I doubt that very much from what I've read. :-)

Of course I'm not going to use any version of Linux that has the Oracle
label on it as Oracle is just as bad as Microsoft.

-Woodzy
http://www.rtdos.com
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I only used Unix when I was paid to do so. As I am retired, it isn't likely
that I will ever use any version of Unix.
I don't expect to consider Vista for at least a couple of years...
It is XP for me for the foreseeable future.
Jim
 
Considering what I've read in regards to Windows Vista in newsgroups
recently (both positive and negative) I'm just curious how many users
are going to dump Windows for Linux rather than upgrade to Windows Vista
? Comments ? Flames ?
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I'd dump windows right now if I could...

Matter of fact, it just pissed me off about 5 minutes ago when a
friend of mine sent me an mp3 from a local band she knows to check
out. She sent it via MSN messenger, so when the file finished..I click
on it to play it.

"Windows has determined that this file is potentially harmful and has
blocked access to it."

WTF!=?!?! It is a DAMN MP3!!!!

And this is XP...I am supposed to go to VISTA now?? no friggin
thanks...
How many users are going to make Windows 2K/XP (or even ME) their last
version of Windows and simply make the switch rather than upgrade vista?
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XP is it for as long as I need to continue to maintain it. I suppose I
will always need to have *some* windows system around due to my work,
and I guess one day it will even have to be Vista...just because of
the fact that I will have customers that use it...but for as long as I
can prolong it...XP
I've already started the move over myself; currently tripple booting 2
version of linux and windows xp MCE (simply for the fact I need the
programs my school uses but once support runs out for XP I'm done with
Windows). I just bought my computer in October and it says that its
Windows Vista Ready but I doubt that very much from what I've read. :-)
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Downloading kubuntu DVD right now...after trying ubuntu gonna check
that version out and see how I like it.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara
 
proteanthread said:
Considering what I've read in regards to Windows
Vista in newsgroups recently (both positive and
negative) I'm just curious how many users are
going to dump Windows for Linux rather than
upgrade to Windows Vista
? Comments ? Flames ?

How many users are going to make Windows 2K/XP
(or even ME) their last version of Windows and
simply make the switch rather than upgrade
vista?

I've already started the move over myself;
currently tripple booting 2 version of linux and
windows xp MCE (simply for the fact I need the
programs my school uses but once support runs
out for XP I'm done with
Windows). I just bought my computer in October
and it says that its Windows Vista Ready but I
doubt that very much from what I've read. :-)

Of course I'm not going to use any version of
Linux that has the Oracle label on it as Oracle
is just as bad as Microsoft.

-Woodzy
http://www.rtdos.com
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No windoze of any flavor for me.
They lost me as a customer when I was on XP and
installed their so called "One Step" which forced
me to re-register my computer for some unknown
reason - no new hardware AND it is VERY difficult
to cancel the subscription once you have it. It
is in itself a virus. I can do everything I need
to do in Linux and Knode and Kmail have outlook
express beat hands down.
 
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Nedd Ludd said:
Does Open Office have a Grammar Checker?

Didn't think so.
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Actually, yes it does. You have to install the optional but free
LanguageTool extension. It currently supports only English, German,
and Polish, but it seems to do a good job catching the most common
errors (at least in English... my German is not so good and my Polish
non-existent).

Thad
 
Ubuntu uses Gnome, Kubuntu uses KDE. As far as I can tell that's the only
difference. I tried both, but I like KDE better, so if I went with an
xBuntu, it would be Kubuntu. I kind of like the idea of keeping the
distribution down to one disk this way.
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Hmm...i do have one question about this, as this all still kind of
confuses me a little bit.

I realize that they are different GUIs but what does this mean for me
from a developer perspective?

I am currently porting one of my major apps to be cross-platform and
once it is reasonably functional again I will try it out on linux to
see how it performs.

But do I actually have to take what flavor GUI someone is running into
account as far as my code goes?

I am using wxWidgets now for my UI code which should solve my problems
but the whole deal still confuses me a little bit.

Having done nothing but windows development all my life, entering new
and unknown territories here. =)

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Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara
 
RonB said:
Does anyone actually use a Grammar Checker? I had one for WordStar 5 way
back when, tried it out -- maybe twice. Found out that it suggestions were
stupid. (I'm sure it wouldn't have liked that last sentence.)
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I have never seen a grammar checker worth anything.
 
Stephan said:
Hmm...i do have one question about this, as this all still kind of
confuses me a little bit.

I realize that they are different GUIs but what does this mean for me
from a developer perspective?

I am currently porting one of my major apps to be cross-platform and
once it is reasonably functional again I will try it out on linux to
see how it performs.

But do I actually have to take what flavor GUI someone is running into
account as far as my code goes?

I am using wxWidgets now for my UI code which should solve my problems
but the whole deal still confuses me a little bit.
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As you are then not using Gnome or KDE, you don't need those libraries then,
but both will happily run your app.
In fact, Gnome can run KDE apps and KDE can run Gnome apps, only the core
libs of the "foreign" GUI need to be present to do that
 
Susan said:
http://members.forbes.com/fyi/2000/1113/Spell-Check_9-28.html

Susan
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Thanks for posting this great link. Occasionally, when I need a good
laugh, I'll use the Word grammar checker. It is great at pointing out
passive voice, without ever recognizing that there is a time and a place
for it. And some of its suggestions are reminiscent of the output from
some of the online translators when, say, you translate an English
sentence into German and then, using the same program, translate it back
into "English".
Allen
 
ray said:
1) From general observations and experience I say anyone even considering
an MS upgrade before at least SP1 and probably SP2 - must have rocks in
their heads.
Click to expand...

That about sums it up. Just like when XP came out, most of the
smarter ones will delay the "upgrade" for as long as possible. I'd bet
that XP will still be quite popular with the "do it yourself" a year from
now.
 
Thanks for posting this great link. Occasionally, when I need a good
laugh, I'll use the Word grammar checker. It is great at pointing out
passive voice, without ever recognizing that there is a time and a place
for it. And some of its suggestions are reminiscent of the output from
some of the online translators when, say, you translate an English
sentence into German and then, using the same program, translate it back
into "English".
Click to expand...

machine translation tale (probably apocryphal): 'Out of sight, out of
mind' into target language and back to original language Returns as
'invisible idiot' ;)

Susan
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peter said:
As you are then not <snip>
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"BTW, it is so simple to test for yourself.
Do a screen-shot of a text. Now disable anti-aliasing
Do again screen-shot of same text.
Compare both. They are exactly the same"

In the same thread pIk wrote:

"You mean, you deliberately selected different fonts/fontsizes?
And deselected Anti-aliasing too for KDE?
Figures, after all you are one of the most dishonest widiots around here"
 
Considering what I've read in regards to Windows Vista in newsgroups
recently (both positive and negative) I'm just curious how many users
are going to dump Windows for Linux rather than upgrade to Windows
Vista ? Comments ? Flames ?

How many users are going to make Windows 2K/XP (or even ME) their last
version of Windows and simply make the switch rather than upgrade
vista?

I've already started the move over myself; currently tripple booting 2
version of linux and windows xp MCE (simply for the fact I need the
programs my school uses but once support runs out for XP I'm done with
Windows). I just bought my computer in October and it says that its
Windows Vista Ready but I doubt that very much from what I've read.
:-)

Of course I'm not going to use any version of Linux that has the
Oracle label on it as Oracle is just as bad as Microsoft.

-Woodzy
http://www.rtdos.com
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This is gonna depend on the the person. This Dead Horse needs not to be
beaten any more. Windows / Linux users tend to get labled "fanboys" for
preferring one over the other :)

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Op Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:31:58 +0000, schreef RonB:
Ubuntu uses Gnome, Kubuntu uses KDE. As far as I can tell that's the only
difference. I tried both, but I like KDE better, so if I went with an
xBuntu, it would be Kubuntu. I kind of like the idea of keeping the
distribution down to one disk this way.
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Underneath Kubuntu and Ubuntu are exactly the same, just another desktop.
You can later, if you want, install KDE on Ubuntu, or Gnome on Kubuntu,
and than you can switch between the two.
 
Considering what I've read in regards to Windows Vista in newsgroups
recently (both positive and negative) I'm just curious how many users
are going to dump Windows for Linux rather than upgrade to Windows Vista
? Comments ? Flames ?
Click to expand...
I've wanted to dump Windows for years. I started trying Linux more
than a decade ago. But there's just no way, for the following reasons:

1. I use Quicken to download my banking transactions and automatically
match them to my my register entries. When I started this, my bank
provided a program (Managing Your Money) and an 800 number, but they
couldn't manage the development or the tech support, and the whole
thing ground to a halt.Muy bankd forced me to switch to Quicken or
givbe up the major benefits of online banking.

Quicken is also a dog, as is MS Money, from the reviews I've read. But
that's all there is folks. The Mac version of Quicken is rumored to be
even worse. Linux has nothing that can do this. But if it had, it
would still need the banks' cooperation to make it a workable solution
for end users.

2. I'm comparing three Asian OCR programs right now. They're the only
ones I've been able to find. One has been around for some years, but
only recently provided English documentation. The other two are quite
new. They all require Windows. I haven't found anything similar that
runs under Linux.


3. I have two Brother MFCs not too new, not too old, and not bottom
drawer. In fact they are the only two Brother MFC devices supported by
a $2000 Win2K/XP OCR program I'm testing right now. None of the
current Linux Live CD's I've tried(SUSE,Knoppix,Fedora,Mepis,Mandriva,
PCLinuxOS) support ANY Brother MFC scanner. In fact, it's a real chore
installing just the printer functions manually.

4. Voice Recognition Software - there's one program that apparently
works, Dragon Naturally Speaking Preferred or Professional (Standard
doesn't support importing files). It requires Windows. There's nothing
comparable in Linux.

I've even considered buying an Intel-based Mac, but that strikes me as
jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. Hardware is costly and
limited, quick obsolescence guaranteed, and frankly, I don't think the
Mac is going to survive.

The simple reality for Operating Systems is the same as for hardware.
Most people, unlike many posting here, buy a computer because they
MUST perform certain tasks. Most people don't WANT to have to learn
more than one Operating System, so they want the OS that will meet not
only all of their present needs, but hopefully, all of their future
needs for at least the next three years or so.

Windows is more likely to meet that requirement than Linux or the Mac.
And this is especially true of potential "killer apps", such as push
button OCR or Voice Recognition. If you're a software developper
investing your resources, or that of your shareholders, in a new
application, are you going to aim it at an OS that owns most of the
desktop PC real estate in the world, or at some very distant second or
third place competitor?

So, while I've managed to pass up XP, and have only adopted Win2K
recently under duress, I see no likelyhood of going all-Linux in the
forseeable future, and can't rule out having to adopt Vista if a
killer app I need becomes available exclusively on that platform.
 
RonB said:
Ubuntu uses Gnome, Kubuntu uses KDE. As far as I
can tell that's the only difference. I tried
both, but I like KDE better, so if I went with
an xBuntu, it would be Kubuntu. I kind of like
the idea of keeping the distribution down to one
disk this way.
Click to expand...

I see Linspire is going to the Ubuntu base but
with KDE
 
I've wanted to dump Windows for years. I started trying Linux more
than a decade ago. But there's just no way, for the following reasons:

1. I use Quicken to download my banking transactions and automatically
match them to my my register entries. When I started this, my bank
provided a program (Managing Your Money) and an 800 number, but they
couldn't manage the development or the tech support, and the whole
thing ground to a halt.Muy bankd forced me to switch to Quicken or
givbe up the major benefits of online banking.

Quicken is also a dog, as is MS Money, from the reviews I've read. But
that's all there is folks. The Mac version of Quicken is rumored to be
even worse. Linux has nothing that can do this. But if it had, it
would still need the banks' cooperation to make it a workable solution
for end users.

2. I'm comparing three Asian OCR programs right now. They're the only
ones I've been able to find. One has been around for some years, but
only recently provided English documentation. The other two are quite
new. They all require Windows. I haven't found anything similar that
runs under Linux.


3. I have two Brother MFCs not too new, not too old, and not bottom
drawer. In fact they are the only two Brother MFC devices supported by
a $2000 Win2K/XP OCR program I'm testing right now. None of the
current Linux Live CD's I've tried(SUSE,Knoppix,Fedora,Mepis,Mandriva,
PCLinuxOS) support ANY Brother MFC scanner. In fact, it's a real chore
installing just the printer functions manually.

4. Voice Recognition Software - there's one program that apparently
works, Dragon Naturally Speaking Preferred or Professional (Standard
doesn't support importing files). It requires Windows. There's nothing
comparable in Linux.

I've even considered buying an Intel-based Mac, but that strikes me as
jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. Hardware is costly and
limited, quick obsolescence guaranteed, and frankly, I don't think the
Mac is going to survive.

The simple reality for Operating Systems is the same as for hardware.
Most people, unlike many posting here, buy a computer because they
MUST perform certain tasks. Most people don't WANT to have to learn
more than one Operating System, so they want the OS that will meet not
only all of their present needs, but hopefully, all of their future
needs for at least the next three years or so.

Windows is more likely to meet that requirement than Linux or the Mac.
And this is especially true of potential "killer apps", such as push
button OCR or Voice Recognition. If you're a software developper
investing your resources, or that of your shareholders, in a new
application, are you going to aim it at an OS that owns most of the
desktop PC real estate in the world, or at some very distant second or
third place competitor?

So, while I've managed to pass up XP, and have only adopted Win2K
recently under duress, I see no likelyhood of going all-Linux in the
forseeable future, and can't rule out having to adopt Vista if a
killer app I need becomes available exclusively on that platform.
Click to expand...

The problem essentially boils down to this:

Developers generally don't target linux because it isn't widespread
enough to be worth it.

Users don't use linux because certain applications they need don't
exist for it preventing it from spreading and bringing us back to the
above.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara
 
Considering what I've read in regards to Windows Vista in newsgroups
recently (both positive and negative) I'm just curious how many users
are going to dump Windows for Linux rather than upgrade to Windows Vista
? Comments ? Flames ?

How many users are going to make Windows 2K/XP (or even ME) their last
version of Windows and simply make the switch rather than upgrade vista?

I've already started the move over myself; currently tripple booting 2
version of linux and windows xp MCE (simply for the fact I need the
programs my school uses but once support runs out for XP I'm done with
Windows). I just bought my computer in October and it says that its
Windows Vista Ready but I doubt that very much from what I've read. :-)

Of course I'm not going to use any version of Linux that has the Oracle
label on it as Oracle is just as bad as Microsoft.

-Woodzy
http://www.rtdos.com
Click to expand...

Well it basically just was settled for me.

I just tried out Kubuntu...

I have to say...I am officially...impressed. That does not happen
easily.

I now have one more reason to try to move away from windows...

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara
 
Stephan said:
The problem essentially boils down to this:

Developers generally don't target linux because it isn't widespread
enough to be worth it.
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I see it as developers being stupid not to understand to use a development
environment supported by more than one OS, if they did they could get a code
that is easy to make work on other platforms than the main target, but instead
most developers/companies has to almost start from scratch when they have to
port their application to a new OS, which makes it costly.

Users don't use linux because certain applications they need don't
exist for it preventing it from spreading and bringing us back to the
above.
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I can admit that for some users there are applications missing, but you can
still be able to run most of those in GNU/Linux x86 with not much hassle.
 
Keeping Win2K Pro on my machine, XP on my wife's. Thinking about
putting Solaris 10 on a new machine if I find enough spare change in the
sofa (I use Sol 10 at work, and I like the x86 LiveCD distro I found).
Work machines will probably be "upgraded" to Vista eventually, so I
won't have any choice about those. I've got Mandrake installed on my
old work laptop along with Win2K as a learning setup.

Jim
 
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