plenty of memory. running out anyway.

[Guest]

I have 1Gb of RAM on my P4 PC. However, lately XP has been giving me memory management problems. The physical ram is fine and shows up on the Windows Task Manager - Performance tab.

Now when I open a few programs and some IE windows, suddenly windows runs out of "system resources" and I am unable to open up any more programs or additional windows. I have tried increasing the pagefile size from the windows managed setting to 3Gb-4Gb but to no avail. I can't imagine ever using anywhere close to a total of 5Gb of memory.

I'm thinking there is a memory leak or something. Are there any memory management utilties that are safe for use with XP? I'm looking for something to manage the memory or at least diagnose or fix the cause of this "out of resources" problem.

 

[Al Dykes]

(Please learn to line-wrap your text. Thanks)

have 1Gb of RAM on my P4 PC. However, lately XP has been giving me
memory management problems. The physical ram is fine and shows up on
the Windows Task Manager - Performance tab.
programs and some IE windows, suddenly windows runs out of "system
resources" and I am unable to open up any more programs or additional
windows. I have tried increasing the pagefile size from the windows
managed setting to 3Gb-4Gb but to no avail. I can't imagine ever
using anywhere close to a total of 5Gb of memory. > >I'm thinking
there is a memory leak or something. Are there any memory management
utilties that are safe for use with XP? I'm looking for something to
manage the memory or at least diagnose or fix the cause of this "out
of resources" problem.


In Taskman, have you looked in the performance tab to see which
processes are running and how much memory they use ?

I'm thinking major spyware. Get Spybot and run it. See if it finds
anything.

perfmon.exe (part of XP) can diagnose exactly what your memory is
being used for but it's got a bit of a learning curve. Give it a try.

What applications are you running ? You didn't buy a GB of memry just
to run Internet Explorer.

Is your system patched (SP1, plus all the critical patches) ?

 

[kooee]

You are probably infected with Spyware.
Get BPS Spyware remover.

 

[Guest]

(Please learn to line-wrap your text. Thanks)

(this form should wrap my text for me, no?)

have 1Gb of RAM on my P4 PC. However, lately XP has been giving me
memory management problems. The physical ram is fine and shows up on
the Windows Task Manager - Performance tab.

programs and some IE windows, suddenly windows runs out of "system
resources" and I am unable to open up any more programs or additional
windows. I have tried increasing the pagefile size from the windows
managed setting to 3Gb-4Gb but to no avail. I can't imagine ever
using anywhere close to a total of 5Gb of memory. > >I'm thinking
there is a memory leak or something. Are there any memory management
utilties that are safe for use with XP? I'm looking for something to
manage the memory or at least diagnose or fix the cause of this "out
of resources" problem.


In Taskman, have you looked in the performance tab to see which
processes are running and how much memory they use ?

Yes. When I have the problem, I find that the biggest memory drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.

I'm thinking major spyware. Get Spybot and run it. See if it finds
anything.

I definitely do not have spyware. I'm pretty web savvy, plus I have about 3 levels of protection against spyware. I've checked the start-up in the registry and everything. Definitely no spyware on my PC.

perfmon.exe (part of XP) can diagnose exactly what your memory is
being used for but it's got a bit of a learning curve. Give it a try.

I will have a look at this. That is at least somewhere to start. Thanks.

What applications are you running ? You didn't buy a GB of memry just
to run Internet Explorer.

Photoshop, outlook, other office apps, flash, etc...

Is your system patched (SP1, plus all the critical patches) ?

Patched and completely up to date.

 

[Al Dykes]

(this form should wrap my text for me, no?)

Well, it's not wraped when it gets to the nntp servers, and the
servers are not supposed to modify a message. I see your text as
lines almost 200 chars long. These lines are probably chopped when I
reply if I don't wrap. In my news client I get a warning if I try to
send a line longer than 79 chars.

Yes. When I have the problem, I find that the biggest memory drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.


I definitely do not have spyware. I'm pretty web savvy, plus I have about 3 levels of protection against spyware. I've checked the start-up in the registry and everything. Definitely no spyware on my PC.


I will have a look at this. That is at least somewhere to start. Thanks.


Photoshop, outlook, other office apps, flash, etc...


Patched and completely up to date.

Hmmmm. Aside from Photoshop, everything can run fine in 256MB.
I use PS5 once in a while in 512MB. Not real fast, but OK.

How big are youir PSD files ?

Have you looked into Event Viewer to see if there are any error
messages ?

I know if you have the PS Browser open the whole system slowes
down, again not a memory problem.

Exactly what error message are you getting ?

 

[Guest]

Well, it's not wraped when it gets to the nntp servers, and the
servers are not supposed to modify a message. I see your text as
lines almost 200 chars long. These lines are probably chopped when I
reply if I don't wrap. In my news client I get a warning if I try to
send a line longer than 79 chars.



Hmmmm. Aside from Photoshop, everything can run fine in 256MB.
I use PS5 once in a while in 512MB. Not real fast, but OK.

How big are youir PSD files ?

Not too big and the memory problem happens often. It's definitely not that photoshop is using 1 Gb of memory.

Have you looked into Event Viewer to see if there are any error
messages ?

You know I should have thought to do this sooner. There is a plethora of errors
I had not seen. Most are faulting application errors and hanging application errors.
They must get logged every time I have this "out of resources" error. There doesn't
seem to be any particular culprit.

However there are also some warnings in there that say the following:
Windows saved user COMPUTER\Me registry while an application or service was still
using the registry during log off. The memory used by the user's registry has not
been freed. The registry will be unloaded when it is no longer in use.
This is often caused by services running as a user account, try configuring the services
to run in either the LocalService or NetworkService account.

Perhaps that warning is linked to this other peculiarity on my PC... I'm running a version
of Agnitum Outpost Firewall and every time I shut down it says something
like "unexpected error happened". Perhaps it is accessing the registry when windows is
trying to shut down. So then perhaps all this memory that is not freed is building up?
Could that possibly persist and accumulate through reboots of the machine? I don't
think that's possible... is it?

I know if you have the PS Browser open the whole system slowes
down, again not a memory problem.

Nope that's not it.

Exactly what error message are you getting ?

Often I don't get any message at all. I just can't seem to launch a program, like a new Internet Explorer window for example. Then I close a program or two and can proceed. If I don't close a program, I can't launch anything new. Some programs just don't seem to make an attempt to launch, while others like photoshop generate an error message when the memory constraint does not allow them to load fully, but it's vague.

 

[Alex Nichol]

Now when I open a few programs and some IE windows, suddenly windows runs out of "system resources" and I am unable to open up any more programs or additional windows. I have tried increasing the pagefile size from the windows managed setting to 3Gb-4Gb but to no avail. I can't imagine ever using anywhere close to a total of 5Gb of memory.

I'm thinking there is a memory leak or something. Are there any memory management utilties that are safe for use with XP? I'm looking for something to manage the memory or at least diagnose or fix the cause of this "out of resources" problem.

First - avoid *any* program that purports to manage or Optimise memory.
At best they have a purely cosmetic effect; at worst they force things
out to the page file that would otherwise be dropped, and result in a
runaway page file.

Use Task Manager (r-click in Task Bar to find it). Use its Processes
page, have View - select columns to show memory usage, Peak memory usage
and memory usage delta. Watch for processes that have a significant
constant delta, and constantly rising usage.

There are some items of software that result in spurious out of virtual
memory messages - see the Problems section at my page
www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

 

[Al Dykes]

I still have to wrap you parapraphs. (I'm using TRN in a unix shell,
it's never wrapped anything. ) FWIW, there's a lot of this in the 'net
lately. What's your usenet client.

drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in
the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.
Not too big and the memory problem happens often. It's definitely not that photoshop is using 1 Gb of memory.

You know I should have thought to do this sooner. There is a
plethora of errors I had not seen. Most are faulting application
errors and hanging application errors. They must get logged every
time I have this "out of resources" error. There doesn't seem to be
any particular culprit.

However there are also some warnings in there that say the following:
Windows saved user COMPUTER\Me registry while an application or
service was still using the registry during log off. The memory used
by the user's registry has not been freed. The registry will be
unloaded when it is no longer in use. This is often caused by
services running as a user account, try configuring the services to
run in either the LocalService or NetworkService account.

Perhaps that warning is linked to this other peculiarity on my PC...
I'm running a version of Agnitum Outpost Firewall and every time I
shut down it says something like "unexpected error happened".
Perhaps it is accessing the registry when windows is trying to shut
down. So then perhaps all this memory that is not freed is building
up? Could that possibly persist and accumulate through reboots of
the machine? I don't think that's possible... is it? > I know if
you have the PS Browser open the whole system slowes > down, again
not a memory problem. Nope that's not it. > Exactly what error
message are you getting ?

Often I don't get any message at all. I just can't seem to launch a
program, like a new Internet Explorer window for example. Then I
close a program or two and can proceed. If I don't close a program,
I can't launch anything new. Some programs just don't seem to make
an attempt to launch, while others like photoshop generate an error
message when the memory constraint does not allow them to load fully,
but it's vague.

You may still have spyware, although It would he hard to imagine
enough crap to fil up all your memory. There are so many places for
stuff to hide in the registry that you need to look at every process
you see in taskman and google it to find an explanation of what it
is. Post the name of anything that looks suspicious, here.

You said you have 3 levels of spyware protection, It's possible
they are stepping on each other. IMHO you should have
exactly one spyware package and one AV package installed.

You still haven't satisfied me that you are in fact running out of
memory. "windows runs out of "system resources"" is not necessarily
memory.

Go to the microsoft.com knowledgebase support site and put parts of
the significant error messages you see into the search and see what
you've got.

You might have a completely corrupted XP and need a repair or
reinstallation.

 

[Guest]

Hi Al,

Strange that it didn't wrap. I manually put carriage returns last time and everything.
I'm using the interface at microsoft.com, specifically:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...=&dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&fltr=

I don't usually use newsgroups.

(more at the bottom of this thread)

I still have to wrap you parapraphs. (I'm using TRN in a unix shell,
it's never wrapped anything. ) FWIW, there's a lot of this in the 'net
lately. What's your usenet client.


drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in
the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.

Not too big and the memory problem happens often. It's definitely not that photoshop is using 1 Gb of memory.




You may still have spyware, although It would he hard to imagine
enough crap to fil up all your memory. There are so many places for
stuff to hide in the registry that you need to look at every process
you see in taskman and google it to find an explanation of what it
is. Post the name of anything that looks suspicious, here.

I'm pretty good at removing spyware and monitoring the processes running on my PC. Believe me, I don't have spyware.

You said you have 3 levels of spyware protection, It's possible
they are stepping on each other. IMHO you should have
exactly one spyware package and one AV package installed.

Well I run WinPatrol, Webroot Spysweeper, and I have a firewall. Those are my "3 levels".
They don't interfere with eachother.

You still haven't satisfied me that you are in fact running out of
memory. "windows runs out of "system resources"" is not necessarily
memory.

Well when I can't open anything new until I close something else, I assume that it's a memory problem.
If it's not, then what else can it be?

Go to the microsoft.com knowledgebase support site and put parts of
the significant error messages you see into the search and see what
you've got.

Tried it. Nothing helpful.

You might have a completely corrupted XP and need a repair or
reinstallation.

That's my last resort.

I've upgraded my firewall software, and now I don't get that error when I sign off.
I also installed UPHCleanup, as recommended on the microsoft.com knowledge base.
Hopefully those two together will solve the problem. It's hard to tell if they have, but I'm
currently running a ton of programs right now without any difficulty. So hopefully that's that!


Thanks for your help,
Dominic

 

[Guest]

Hi Al,

Strange that it didn't wrap. I manually put carriage returns last time and everything.
I'm using the interface at microsoft.com, specifically:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...=&dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&fltr=

I don't usually use newsgroups.

(more at the bottom of this thread)

I still have to wrap you parapraphs. (I'm using TRN in a unix shell,
it's never wrapped anything. ) FWIW, there's a lot of this in the 'net
lately. What's your usenet client.


drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in
the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.

Not too big and the memory problem happens often. It's definitely not that photoshop is using 1 Gb of memory.




You may still have spyware, although It would he hard to imagine
enough crap to fil up all your memory. There are so many places for
stuff to hide in the registry that you need to look at every process
you see in taskman and google it to find an explanation of what it
is. Post the name of anything that looks suspicious, here.

I'm pretty good at removing spyware and monitoring the processes running on my PC. Believe me, I don't have spyware.

You said you have 3 levels of spyware protection, It's possible
they are stepping on each other. IMHO you should have
exactly one spyware package and one AV package installed.

Well I run WinPatrol, Webroot Spysweeper, and I have a firewall. Those are my "3 levels".
They don't interfere with eachother.

You still haven't satisfied me that you are in fact running out of
memory. "windows runs out of "system resources"" is not necessarily
memory.

Well when I can't open anything new until I close something else, I assume that it's a memory problem.
If it's not, then what else can it be?

Go to the microsoft.com knowledgebase support site and put parts of
the significant error messages you see into the search and see what
you've got.

Tried it. Nothing helpful.

You might have a completely corrupted XP and need a repair or
reinstallation.

That's my last resort.

I've upgraded my firewall software, and now I don't get that error when I sign off.
I also installed UPHCleanup, as recommended on the microsoft.com knowledge base.
Hopefully those two together will solve the problem. It's hard to tell if they have, but I'm
currently running a ton of programs right now without any difficulty. So hopefully that's that!


Thanks for your help,
Dominic

 

[Guest]

Hi Al,

Strange that it didn't wrap. I manually put carriage returns last time and everything.
I'm using the interface at microsoft.com, specifically:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...=&dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&fltr=

I don't usually use newsgroups.

(more at the bottom of this thread)

I still have to wrap you parapraphs. (I'm using TRN in a unix shell,
it's never wrapped anything. ) FWIW, there's a lot of this in the 'net
lately. What's your usenet client.


drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in
the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.

Not too big and the memory problem happens often. It's definitely not that photoshop is using 1 Gb of memory.




You may still have spyware, although It would he hard to imagine
enough crap to fil up all your memory. There are so many places for
stuff to hide in the registry that you need to look at every process
you see in taskman and google it to find an explanation of what it
is. Post the name of anything that looks suspicious, here.

I'm pretty good at removing spyware and monitoring the processes running on my PC. Believe me, I don't have spyware.

You said you have 3 levels of spyware protection, It's possible
they are stepping on each other. IMHO you should have
exactly one spyware package and one AV package installed.

Well I run WinPatrol, Webroot Spysweeper, and I have a firewall. Those are my "3 levels".
They don't interfere with eachother.

You still haven't satisfied me that you are in fact running out of
memory. "windows runs out of "system resources"" is not necessarily
memory.

Well when I can't open anything new until I close something else, I assume that it's a memory problem.
If it's not, then what else can it be?

Go to the microsoft.com knowledgebase support site and put parts of
the significant error messages you see into the search and see what
you've got.

Tried it. Nothing helpful.

You might have a completely corrupted XP and need a repair or
reinstallation.

That's my last resort.

I've upgraded my firewall software, and now I don't get that error when I sign off.
I also installed UPHCleanup, as recommended on the microsoft.com knowledge base.
Hopefully those two together will solve the problem. It's hard to tell if they have, but I'm
currently running a ton of programs right now without any difficulty. So hopefully that's that!


Thanks for your help,
Dominic

 

[Guest]

Hi Al,

Strange that it didn't wrap. I manually put carriage returns last time and everything.
I'm using the interface at microsoft.com, specifically:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...=&dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&fltr=

I don't usually use newsgroups.

(more at the bottom of this thread)

I still have to wrap you parapraphs. (I'm using TRN in a unix shell,
it's never wrapped anything. ) FWIW, there's a lot of this in the 'net
lately. What's your usenet client.


drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in
the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.

Not too big and the memory problem happens often. It's definitely not that photoshop is using 1 Gb of memory.




You may still have spyware, although It would he hard to imagine
enough crap to fil up all your memory. There are so many places for
stuff to hide in the registry that you need to look at every process
you see in taskman and google it to find an explanation of what it
is. Post the name of anything that looks suspicious, here.

I'm pretty good at removing spyware and monitoring the processes running on my PC. Believe me, I don't have spyware.

You said you have 3 levels of spyware protection, It's possible
they are stepping on each other. IMHO you should have
exactly one spyware package and one AV package installed.

Well I run WinPatrol, Webroot Spysweeper, and I have a firewall. Those are my "3 levels".
They don't interfere with eachother.

You still haven't satisfied me that you are in fact running out of
memory. "windows runs out of "system resources"" is not necessarily
memory.

Well when I can't open anything new until I close something else, I assume that it's a memory problem.
If it's not, then what else can it be?

Go to the microsoft.com knowledgebase support site and put parts of
the significant error messages you see into the search and see what
you've got.

Tried it. Nothing helpful.

You might have a completely corrupted XP and need a repair or
reinstallation.

That's my last resort.

I've upgraded my firewall software, and now I don't get that error when I sign off.
I also installed UPHCleanup, as recommended on the microsoft.com knowledge base.
Hopefully those two together will solve the problem. It's hard to tell if they have, but I'm
currently running a ton of programs right now without any difficulty. So hopefully that's that!


Thanks for your help,
Dominic

 

[Guest]

Hi Al,

Strange that it didn't wrap. I manually put carriage returns last time and everything.
I'm using the interface at microsoft.com, specifically:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...=&dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&fltr=

I don't usually use newsgroups.

(more at the bottom of this thread)

I still have to wrap you parapraphs. (I'm using TRN in a unix shell,
it's never wrapped anything. ) FWIW, there's a lot of this in the 'net
lately. What's your usenet client.


drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in
the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.

Not too big and the memory problem happens often. It's definitely not that photoshop is using 1 Gb of memory.




You may still have spyware, although It would he hard to imagine
enough crap to fil up all your memory. There are so many places for
stuff to hide in the registry that you need to look at every process
you see in taskman and google it to find an explanation of what it
is. Post the name of anything that looks suspicious, here.

I'm pretty good at removing spyware and monitoring the processes running on my PC. Believe me, I don't have spyware.

You said you have 3 levels of spyware protection, It's possible
they are stepping on each other. IMHO you should have
exactly one spyware package and one AV package installed.

Well I run WinPatrol to protect against trojans, I *was* running Webroot Spysweeper to protect against other spyware, and I have a customized firewall.
Those are my "3 levels". They don't interfere with each other.

You still haven't satisfied me that you are in fact running out of
memory. "windows runs out of "system resources"" is not necessarily
memory.

Well when I can't open anything new until I close something else,
I assume that it's a memory problem. It's definitely a resources problem of some sort.
If it's not, then what else can it be?

Go to the microsoft.com knowledgebase support site and put parts of
the significant error messages you see into the search and see what
you've got.

Tried it. They suggested installing something called UPHCleanup to remove
profiles from memory that were otherwise stranded. I did that.

You might have a completely corrupted XP and need a repair or
reinstallation.

That's a last resort. In addition to the UPHCleanup, I upgraded my firewall
version. Now I don't get that strange "some error happened" message when
I shut down.

It's hard to tell if those two steps have solved my problem, but so far I haven't
had any difficulty. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully that's that!


Thanks for your help,
Dominic

 

[Guest]

Hi Al,

Strange that it didn't wrap. I manually put carriage returns last time and everything.
I'm using the interface at microsoft.com, specifically:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...=&dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&fltr=

I don't usually use newsgroups.

(more at the bottom of this thread)

I still have to wrap you parapraphs. (I'm using TRN in a unix shell,
it's never wrapped anything. ) FWIW, there's a lot of this in the 'net
lately. What's your usenet client.


drains take up maybe 40-50Mb. The total memory used (listed in
the Processes I mean) is never close to the 1Gb of RAM I have.

Not too big and the memory problem happens often. It's definitely not that photoshop is using 1 Gb of memory.




You may still have spyware, although It would he hard to imagine
enough crap to fil up all your memory. There are so many places for
stuff to hide in the registry that you need to look at every process
you see in taskman and google it to find an explanation of what it
is. Post the name of anything that looks suspicious, here.

I'm pretty good at removing spyware and monitoring the processes running on my PC. Believe me, I don't have spyware.

You said you have 3 levels of spyware protection, It's possible
they are stepping on each other. IMHO you should have
exactly one spyware package and one AV package installed.

Well I run WinPatrol to protect against trojans, I *was* running Webroot Spysweeper to protect against other spyware, and I have a customized firewall.
Those are my "3 levels". They don't interfere with each other.

You still haven't satisfied me that you are in fact running out of
memory. "windows runs out of "system resources"" is not necessarily
memory.

Well when I can't open anything new until I close something else,
I assume that it's a memory problem. It's definitely a resources problem of some sort.
If it's not, then what else can it be?

Go to the microsoft.com knowledgebase support site and put parts of
the significant error messages you see into the search and see what
you've got.

Tried it. They suggested installing something called UPHCleanup to remove
profiles from memory that were otherwise stranded. I did that.

You might have a completely corrupted XP and need a repair or
reinstallation.

That's a last resort. In addition to the UPHCleanup, I upgraded my firewall
version. Now I don't get that strange "some error happened" message when
I shut down.

It's hard to tell if those two steps have solved my problem, but so far I haven't
had any difficulty. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully that's that!


Thanks for your help,
Dominic

 

[Al Dykes]

Hi Al,

Strange that it didn't wrap. I manually put carriage returns last time and everything.
I'm using the interface at microsoft.com, specifically:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...=&dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&fltr=

I don't usually use newsgroups.

(more at the bottom of this thread)



I'm pretty good at removing spyware and monitoring the processes running on my PC. Believe me, I don't have spyware.


Well I run WinPatrol, Webroot Spysweeper, and I have a firewall. Those are my "3 levels".
They don't interfere with eachother.


Well when I can't open anything new until I close something else, I assume that it's a memory problem.
If it's not, then what else can it be?


Tried it. Nothing helpful.


That's my last resort.

I've upgraded my firewall software, and now I don't get that error when I sign off.
I also installed UPHCleanup, as recommended on the microsoft.com knowledge base.
Hopefully those two together will solve the problem. It's hard to tell if they have, but I'm
currently running a ton of programs right now without any difficulty. So hopefully that's that!


Thanks for your help,
Dominic

resources is more than memory. perform car report all usage,
but figuring out from the raw data is probably hard. I probably
can't do it.

You didn't name an ant-virus program.

Other than that, I can't suggest anything. good luck.