K
Keith
Maybe. OTOH, if there is a still back in them thar woods... Then again,
if so the second sentence is moot. ;-)
Maybe. OTOH, if there is a still back in them thar woods... Then again,
if so the second sentence is moot. ;-)
K
Keith
It didn't work in the middle-ages. A composer was commissioned for the
work and that was it. I wonder what it would cost to commission Windows?
Somehow I don't think Evgenij has enough cash for his OS of choice.
Z
Zak
Keith said:
You could say something like Linux is commissioned. It is built in bits
and pieces, often paid by someone who needs that piece.
Thomas
D
Del Cecchi
If I recall correctly, the guy was raising fighting chickens.Keith said:
G
George Macdonald
And would this sign be supported legally through to its logical conclusion?
Would the land owner be charged with murder or not? Signs are
inexpensive.
G
George Macdonald
Here's a new angle on EULAs: http://stots.com/agree.htm. When you buy this
company's tools you don't own them - you only have a license for personal
use and may not lend them or use them to make items for others. This has
gone beyond absurd.
C
Christian Bau
George Macdonald said:And would this sign be supported legally through to its logical conclusion?
Would the land owner be charged with murder or not? Signs are
inexpensive.
Would you step on his land? If you're shot it doesn't make the slightest
difference to you if he is charged with murder or not.
G
George Macdonald
What is it that you do not understand about "legally supported"?
T
The little lost angel
The original point being made was that trepass is treated differently
*legally* by different countries where in German it's only an offense
if the area was fenced up and the signs there simply read trespass at
own risk. Although on rereading the original post, it could had been a
social commentary on the different styles such signs took in different
countries with the legal stuff merely an add on.
T
The little lost angel
Hmm, I take it that Thar Woods are full of sharpshooters... or at the
very least people who won't stop at the first shot? (or as usual I'm
missing some US reference again!)
Thanks!
C
Christian Bau
George Macdonald said:
What is it that you don't understand about "your question was totally
irrelevant"?
C
Christian Bau
Anyway, "trespass at your own risk" means the land owner is not
responsible if you are hurt through safety risks (broken glass or rusty
nails lying around, heavy machinery that could be dangerous if turned on
by some dimwit and so on) that would be unacceptable in publicly
accessible areas.
K
Keith
Hmm, I take it that Thar Woods are full of sharpshooters... or at the
very least people who won't stop at the first shot? (or as usual I'm
missing some US reference again!)
Yes, yes, and maybe. A "still" here is an illegal alcohol distillery.
"Revenuers" (Secret Service/FBI/IRS) aren't welcome around such activity
and are (or at least were) shot on sight/site. Back as far as the
"Kentucky long rifles" (US revolution) the mountain folk were known as
rather good shots.
K
Keith
"Commissioned"? Is anyone (other than the "RHs") receiving payment for
specific work?
K
Keith
"Removing the seal from the product indicates your agreement"
I'd like to see one of these tested in court. Actually, I'd like to see
all of 'em tested. One can write anything on the package but that doesn't
mean it'll stand up as an enforceable contract.
R
Rob Stow
Keith said:
I read a news article about this quite a while ago:
Manufacturers are quite aware that those "contracts" and EULAs
are often not enforceable - but they are very aware that they are
proven to reduce the number of lawsuits and complaints from
gullible consumers. Hence the manufacturer often has everything
to gain and nothing to lose by putting such drivel on their
packaging or in a EULA.
Z
Zak
Keith said:
Definitely if you count employees. Intel, Adaptec, IBM, and otehrs pay
employees to add specific bits and systems that they need.
Interesting was that Intel added a fix specific for AMD64, I think it
was for ACPI, when Intel still denied they were doing a 64 bit x86 CPU.
Adaptec has submitted a serial-SCSI subsystem recently.
IBM is having a lot of stuff added for large systems, and obviously for
IBM specific hardware.
If employees don't count, it is a lot easier to find examples not
relating to the kernel but to applications. See, for example,
http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ - part of them commisioned by Google.
OTOH Computer Associates offered a million dollars (and paid 550K) for
writing conversion tools from competing databases.
Thomas
K
Keith
I covered them when I said "other than RHs" (Red Hats). Even then,
employees aren't commissioned to do work. They're hired. I suppose there
are contractors in the mix though.
Ok, that's closer.
Welchers! ;-)
K
Keith
Which is why I want to see them try to enforce one. I'm sure FF would
love to have a go at this too. OTOH, I don't even read them, so sue me. ;-)
I don't understand this one. ...because the EULA says they're not
responsible for anything, other than there is a disc in there (and that
doesn't have to be readable)? I've taken software back that didn't work
before.
Sure, which is why I'd like to see someone go after them.
Z
Zak
Keith said:
Well, it is written and then available for use by others - which means
not the whole OS has to be written at once, which is what makes this
possible.
The difference between Intel and Red Hat here is that Red Hat sells
software (or support to it), but Intel sells hardware, not the software.
How Intel pays for the writing doesn't matter that much - it is a
one-time payment after which the software is available to anyone.
Thomas