perl and ssh

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ews

David said:
Servers are locked in cupboards. One uses logon scripts for clients (and if it's me it will be vbs).
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well.. i keep mine in locked racks and cages. but by all means, store
yours with the dishes. i use .vbs login scripts here as well. im still
not sure i understand the point of any of your posts.
 
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David Candy

That you can TS in, type cmd in Start Run, and have a cli.

If you wish to script remotely you can use vbs to run scripts remotely. And WSH version of perl should be able to do the same.
 
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David Candy

I listen to music once a month. And I do it very loud. I give the neighbours 29 days to recover. I don't think I've ever started media player on a server but I want it there in case I want to.
 
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ews

David said:
That you can TS in, type cmd in Start Run, and have a cli.

If you wish to script remotely you can use vbs to run scripts remotely. And WSH version of perl should be able to do the same.
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thats dandy, but there are situations where RDC isnt an option and as
long as telnets included, why not just retire that and use ssh. but
again, its not about the absence of a cmd line.

a WSH version of Perl? What exactly is that?
 
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Al Dunbar [MS-MVP]

ews said:
good point! and 'some' should be perl and ssh.
that should actually read; no tools? include some.
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No need to nitpick my punctuation, given that you understood my meaning ;-)
thatd be because lots of tools are missing from windows. but lets start
with the basics. included are: two text editors, one web browser, one
desktop window manager, no hardworking cli, two interpreters (cmd.exe,
wsh/cscript), no ssh client, no decent packet dumpers, etc.
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LOL ;-)
i have a bad feeling this is turning into a windows bashing thread.. i
really didnt intend to start anything like this.
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Sometimes hard to avoid. On the other hand, when one's responsibilities
include maintaining a system with which some fault can be found, one's
abilities to get the job done are _not_ enhanced significantly by
complaining. I don't mean this as a criticism of you, just a reflection on
the psychology of it all.
if religious means 'makes decisions in the best interest of their
products longevity and their competitors demise at the cost of
usability, security, and stability'. then, microsoft is the holy land.
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My reference was to your sentence which ended: "... for (a certain person's)
sake", and was solely made for the humourous effect.

That said, I do find it particularly telling that the Street address for
Microsoft is:

"One Microsoft Way"

Think about that one for a minute... ;-)
im not a anti ms zealot and am in fact an mcse 3 times over. just
thought id see how everyone else feels about some of the tools missing
from windows.
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Personally, I would have packaged Windows quite differently were I in
charge. It would then suit me, but I am not sure if you (or anybody else)
would like it.

How one might *feel* about the gaps in the toolset is one thing, how one
compensates for them is another.

/Al
 
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David Candy

You keep your hands off windows, I'll package it. First bye bye cmd. A lovely vbs shell to replace it.

I'll also only sell Win CE to home users.
 
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ews

David said:
VBS and JS scripts run in the Windows Scripting Host. But other languages can run in that environment as well.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=c...anguages/+"Windows+Scripting+Host"+perl&hl=en
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perl doesnt use wsh or run in that 'environment'. as the link you posted
states

"I use "WSH-like" scripting to refer to systems which implement simple
COM object access but are self-hosting. These provide interesting
avenues for scripters who are used to COM-focused scripting such as that
done in WSH to easily exploit current knowledge while moving to another
environment. The following languages implement some form of this via
COM access."

so perl requires its own interpreter but is granted access to com
objects. see the term "self hosting".

when your ready to take this post back on topic, let me know. in the
mean time, i suggest you learn perl.

thanks for playing.
 
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ews

David said:
I listen to music once a month. And I do it very loud. I give the neighbours 29 days to recover. I don't think I've ever started media player on a server but I want it there in case I want to.
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just curious.. are you a sys admin? if so how large is the network in
terms of servers and clients. what operating systems can be found in the
back half of your network? if i had a concert in my server room, i dont
think the neighbors could hear.
 
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ews

Al said:
No need to nitpick my punctuation, given that you understood my meaning ;-)




LOL ;-)




Sometimes hard to avoid. On the other hand, when one's responsibilities
include maintaining a system with which some fault can be found, one's
abilities to get the job done are _not_ enhanced significantly by
complaining. I don't mean this as a criticism of you, just a reflection on
the psychology of it all.




My reference was to your sentence which ended: "... for (a certain person's)
sake", and was solely made for the humourous effect.

That said, I do find it particularly telling that the Street address for
Microsoft is:

"One Microsoft Way"

Think about that one for a minute... ;-)




Personally, I would have packaged Windows quite differently were I in
charge. It would then suit me, but I am not sure if you (or anybody else)
would like it.

How one might *feel* about the gaps in the toolset is one thing, how one
compensates for them is another.

/Al
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I think we all would have packaged windows a bit differently. i also
think the problem maybe that those that do package the OS are too far
removed from those of us that deploy and support it.

im hoping that by having non bashing discussions about some of the
shortcomings of the OS, it may be read and taken into consideration by
someone who can address and correct them. i know MS of 2005 is *NOT* the
MS of 1980, nor is it realistic to think that it should be. however, i
believe MS has gone way off track with their server OS and is out of
touch with the admins in the trenches. it should be illegal for MS
employees to read their own propaganda. it seems they start to believe
it and before long 4 Gigs of diskspace and 500 megs of ram are being
used by music players, graphical wizards, webbrowsers, paint utilities,
and movie makers.

maybe what needs to occur is a more distinctive separation between the
desktop and server versions of the OS.

being an experienced windows admin is far more frustrating than being an
experienced linux.unix admin. ive admined both for the past 5 years and
am starting to feel the frustration most windows admins attribute to
just being a 'linux zealot'.

i take comfort in knowing that im not alone with the empty, unsatisfied,
frustrating feelings that come from maintaining windows servers.

the rant ends here, but the frustration marches on.

next hacker that gets into longhorns cvs, ill pay 500 bucks if you can
get perl and ssh into the start menu and path. just a joke, uh.. kinda ;)

happy hacking!

e-
 
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ews

monad looks just geek enough to work. im running w2k pro on the laptop,
so i will have to wait for the preview, but ill certainly be keeping on
eye on it.

thanks for the info. now if winfs worked and longhorn ever gets
released, we may address this tools topic in a different tone. =)

thanks for the post. monad is sexy.
 
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David Candy

Windows 2000/Windows 2000/Office 2000 (I'm big on version matching) the coy has 120 employees.
 
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David Candy

I didn't like it. It based on .NET. If you like programming .NET you'll like it with .NET commands and routines aliased to unix and cmd commands.
 
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Torgeir Bakken \(MVP\)

M

Matthias Tacke

Torgeir said:
Hi

PearlScript from ActiveState does run in the WSH environment (it is
actually a requirement):
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Hi Torgeir,
while some will agree that PerlScript is a pearl, it's still written
without an "a" ;-)
 

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