Partitioned Hard Drive & Windows XP

B

Boria Condrey

I have a laptop running XP pro. The hard drive is partitioned with the C
drive having 13 gig and the D drive having 55 gig. For some reason my
windows Directory has grown 4 gig in the last six months. I can't figure
out why but between the windows folder and user accounts under documents and
settings I am running out of room on the C Drive. Is there any way to
increase the size of the C drive partition? If not, my windows folder is
almost 9 gig. Is there any way to find out why the windows folder is
growing so rapidly? The only software I have loaded recently is explorer 7,
windows media player and the automatic windows updates. I don't think these
would use that much space. I am down to 600 meg of space on my c drive. In
a month or so I will be out of space and I don't know what will happen then.

If anyone has any ideas I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks
 
G

Guest

Do you mount any network drives on your laptop? If so, be careful about
Offline Files - the offline cache folder is located in the WINDOWS folder.
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Boria Condrey said:
I have a laptop running XP pro. The hard drive is partitioned with the C
drive having 13 gig and the D drive having 55 gig. For some reason my
windows Directory has grown 4 gig in the last six months. I can't figure
out why but between the windows folder and user accounts under documents and
settings I am running out of room on the C Drive. Is there any way to
increase the size of the C drive partition? If not, my windows folder is
almost 9 gig. Is there any way to find out why the windows folder is
growing so rapidly? The only software I have loaded recently is explorer 7,
windows media player and the automatic windows updates. I don't think these
would use that much space. I am down to 600 meg of space on my c drive. In
a month or so I will be out of space and I don't know what will happen then.

If anyone has any ideas I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

One of these tools will tell you what's eating up your disk space.
You need to tackle this issue now while you can - if you allow
the amount of free disk space to drop below 1 GByte then your
system might become inoperative.
DriveUse:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/index.html
Bullet Proof Folder sizes: http://www.foldersizes.com/

Use a partition manager such as the one from Acronis to resize
your paritions. Make sure to back up your important files
beforehand!
 
R

Rock

I have a laptop running XP pro. The hard drive is partitioned with the C
drive having 13 gig and the D drive having 55 gig. For some reason my
windows Directory has grown 4 gig in the last six months. I can't figure
out why but between the windows folder and user accounts under documents
and settings I am running out of room on the C Drive. Is there any way to
increase the size of the C drive partition? If not, my windows folder is
almost 9 gig. Is there any way to find out why the windows folder is
growing so rapidly? The only software I have loaded recently is explorer
7, windows media player and the automatic windows updates. I don't think
these would use that much space. I am down to 600 meg of space on my c
drive. In a month or so I will be out of space and I don't know what will
happen then.

Even 600 MB on a drive of 13GB is too little. There should be at least 15%
free which is about 1997 MB. The big space hogs are the recycle bin, the
hiberfil.sys file if hibernation is enabled, the temporary internet files,
and the system restore points. By default System restore sets aside up to
12% of the drive for it's use. But system restore is only good going back a
week or two at the most, so I suggest you decrease the amount of space
allocated to it. Right click My Computer | Properties | System Restore tab
| Settings, and decrease the amount of space for it, somewhere between 500MB
to 1GB is about right. Also if all that's on the other partition is data,
turn off SR on that partition.

For emptying the TIF, either do a disk clean up or go to Start | Control
Panel | Internet Options and delete from there. Make sure you put a tic
mark in delete off line files. While there decrease the space allocated to
the TIFs, set it down to 40MB.

Do you have any 3rd party software installed that takes snapshots of the
system for recovery purposes such as GoBack (there are others too), these
are enormous resource hogs.

You could also download this small utility to see what's taking up the
space.
TreeSize Free V1.7.9
http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml
 
G

Gerry Cornell

Boria

You should be able to resolve your problem without the need to resize
partitions.

Go to Start, Control Panel, Folder Options, View, Advanced Settings
and verify that the box before "Show hidden files and folders" is
checked and "Hide protected operating system files " is unchecked. You
may need to scroll down to see the second item. You should also make
certain that the box before "Hide extensions for known file types" is
not checked. Next in Windows Explorer make sure View, Details is
selected and then select View, Choose Details and check before Name,
Type, Total Size, and Free Space.

Folder Size -a useful tool for use with Windows Explorer when
investigating how disk space is being used.
http://foldersize.sourceforge.net/

Note the Search option in Windows Explorer to search for files over 1
mb. You sort the result in order of size by clicking on size over the
list of files. Search All Users ensuring you have selected Advanced
Options and clicked on the box before Search System Folders, Search
Hidden Files and Folders and Search Sub-Folders.

To increase you free space on your XP partition select Start, All
Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More Options,
System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore points?
Restore points can be quite large.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System Restore
on your C partition which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700
mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System
Restore. Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this
time find
the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit.
When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

Another default setting which could be wasteful is that for temporary
internet files especially if you do not store offline copies on disk.
The default allocation is 3% of drive. Depending on your attitude to
offline copies you could reduce this to 1% or 2%. In Internet Explorer
select Tools, Internet Options, General, Temporary Internet Files,
Settings to make the change. At the same time look at the number of
days history is held.

The default allocation for the Recycle Bin is 10 % of drive. Change to
5%, which should be sufficient. In Windows Explorer place the cursor
on your Recycle Bin, right click and select Properties, Global and
move the slider from 10% to 5%. However, try to avoid letting it get
too full as if it is full and you delete a file by mistake it will
bypass the Recycle Bin and be gone for ever.

If your drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises with
your operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory of
your C partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows
folder typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and $NtUninstallKB282010$
etc. These files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed
the text of the folder name appears in blue characters. If not
compressed you can compress them. Right click on each folder and
select Properties, General, Advanced and check the box before Compress
contents to save Disk Space. On the General Tab you can see the amount
gained by deducting the size on disk from the size. Folder
compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted drive / partition.

If you are using the Norton Protected Recycle Bin or Rollback RX Pro
these can create significant free disk space issues. The programmes
create hidden folders, which can grow to colossal sizes.

You can also increase free disk space on your C partition can be
achieved by relocation of folders.

For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet
Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder.

To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express
Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change.
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm

My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders
including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated
using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to
see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change
Location button.

You may also need to change Default File locations in the Microsoft
Office programmes you choose to move the My Documents folder. For Word
go to Tools, Options, File Locations, highlight Documents, click on
Modify and change file path. For Excel go to Tools, Options, General
and change default file path.



--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
B

Boria Condrey

Ok, I have done everything you folks told me in this post. I downloaded
Treesize and found that a folder in the windows directory called "installer"
is where all my space is going. The "installer" folder is 5.5 gig. Is
there something I can do about this? Can I delete some of these files in
this folder? What do these files do?

Thanks
 
G

Gerry Cornell

Boria

What is the name including the file extension of this file in the
"installer" folder"? If you right click on the file and select
Properties how is the file described?


--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
J

Jonny

From what I see on my PC, this folder contains stuff from 3rd party apps,
not MS update stuff. Its 128MB here.
 
B

Boria Condrey

It is a bunch of files. I have listed the tree below.

5,438 MB Installer
5,237 MB [Files]
183 MB $PatchCache$
9,303 kb MSN Messenger 7.5.0311
2,633 kb {90110409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0150048383C9}
1,422 kb {2DE06ACA-BF73-4102-BC75-2027D68BEF92}
There are 34 other files with a long series of numbers like the ones above
but most of them are less than 100 kb.

There are hundreds of these files in the Installer directory.
Example--1b4755c.msp, 1b4756b.msp, 1b4758c.msp. The file type is a windows
installer patch. I clicked on a few of them and the seem to have something
to do with Microsoft office. I do have a few office updates that won't
install. Do you think they could be adding to this installer folder
everytime they try to install? I have tried to install them from the office
website and they fail and every so often they try to install when I shut
down my computer but they fail. This happens about once a day. Usually
happens if I have been online. If I haven't been online they don't try to
install upon shutdown.

Thanks
 
B

Boria Condrey

Upon looking at these files. On 11/14/2006, 33 files were added and all of
them have to do with msoffice setup. They have different file names such as
c60dc5.msp, c98434.msp,d1ab76.msp but they are all do the same thing and are
the same size and recorded the same time and day. When I double click on
them, it carries me into the microsoft office setup screen.
These files are being added almost daily.

Boria Condrey said:
It is a bunch of files. I have listed the tree below.

5,438 MB Installer
5,237 MB [Files]
183 MB $PatchCache$
9,303 kb MSN Messenger 7.5.0311
2,633 kb {90110409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0150048383C9}
1,422 kb {2DE06ACA-BF73-4102-BC75-2027D68BEF92}
There are 34 other files with a long series of numbers like the ones above
but most of them are less than 100 kb.

There are hundreds of these files in the Installer directory.
Example--1b4755c.msp, 1b4756b.msp, 1b4758c.msp. The file type is a
windows installer patch. I clicked on a few of them and the seem to have
something to do with Microsoft office. I do have a few office updates
that won't install. Do you think they could be adding to this installer
folder everytime they try to install? I have tried to install them from
the office website and they fail and every so often they try to install
when I shut down my computer but they fail. This happens about once a
day. Usually happens if I have been online. If I haven't been online they
don't try to install upon shutdown.

Thanks

Gerry Cornell said:
Boria

What is the name including the file extension of this file in the
"installer" folder"? If you right click on the file and select Properties
how is the file described?


--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
G

Gerry Cornell

Boria

The following paragraph was in my earlier post this morning along with
a number of other suggestions.

If your drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises with
your operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory of
your C partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows
folder typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and $NtUninstallKB282010$
etc. These files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed
the text of the folder name appears in blue characters. If not
compressed you can compress them. Right click on each folder and
select Properties, General, Advanced and check the box before Compress
contents to save Disk Space. On the General Tab you can see the amount
gained by deducting the size on disk from the size. Folder
compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted drive / partition.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
B

Boria Condrey

On 02/03/2006 there were 63 files created at 5:00PM with a size of 9,139 kb
and they all do the same thing. I believe this is around 500 meg. Can I
delete these files? If so, How do I stop them from being created?

Thanks,


Boria Condrey said:
Upon looking at these files. On 11/14/2006, 33 files were added and all
of them have to do with msoffice setup. They have different file names
such as c60dc5.msp, c98434.msp,d1ab76.msp but they are all do the same
thing and are the same size and recorded the same time and day. When I
double click on them, it carries me into the microsoft office setup
screen.
These files are being added almost daily.

Boria Condrey said:
It is a bunch of files. I have listed the tree below.

5,438 MB Installer
5,237 MB [Files]
183 MB $PatchCache$
9,303 kb MSN Messenger 7.5.0311
2,633 kb {90110409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0150048383C9}
1,422 kb {2DE06ACA-BF73-4102-BC75-2027D68BEF92}
There are 34 other files with a long series of numbers like the ones
above but most of them are less than 100 kb.

There are hundreds of these files in the Installer directory.
Example--1b4755c.msp, 1b4756b.msp, 1b4758c.msp. The file type is a
windows installer patch. I clicked on a few of them and the seem to have
something to do with Microsoft office. I do have a few office updates
that won't install. Do you think they could be adding to this installer
folder everytime they try to install? I have tried to install them from
the office website and they fail and every so often they try to install
when I shut down my computer but they fail. This happens about once a
day. Usually happens if I have been online. If I haven't been online
they don't try to install upon shutdown.

Thanks

Gerry Cornell said:
Boria

What is the name including the file extension of this file in the
"installer" folder"? If you right click on the file and select
Properties how is the file described?


--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Boria Condrey wrote:
Ok, I have done everything you folks told me in this post. I
downloaded Treesize and found that a folder in the windows directory
called "installer" is where all my space is going. The "installer"
folder is 5.5 gig. Is there something I can do about this? Can I
delete some of these files in this folder? What do these files do?

Thanks


I have a laptop running XP pro. The hard drive is partitioned with
the C drive having 13 gig and the D drive having 55 gig. For some
reason my windows Directory has grown 4 gig in the last six months.
I can't figure out why but between the windows folder and user
accounts under documents and settings I am running out of room on
the C Drive. Is there any way to increase the size of the C drive
partition? If not, my windows folder is almost 9 gig. Is there
any way to find out why the windows folder is growing so rapidly? The
only software I have loaded recently is explorer 7, windows
media player and the automatic windows updates. I don't think
these would use that much space. I am down to 600 meg of space on
my c drive. In a month or so I will be out of space and I don't
know what will happen then. If anyone has any ideas I would greatly
appreciate it.

Thanks



One of these tools will tell you what's eating up your disk space.
You need to tackle this issue now while you can - if you allow
the amount of free disk space to drop below 1 GByte then your
system might become inoperative.
DriveUse:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/index.html
Bullet Proof Folder sizes: http://www.foldersizes.com/

Use a partition manager such as the one from Acronis to resize
your paritions. Make sure to back up your important files
beforehand!
 
B

Boria Condrey

Gerry,

I saw this earlier. Mine are all in blue and compressed. Some of them were
deleted a couple of months ago which probably wasn't a good idea. I was told
by a microsoft mvp on this newsgroup I could delete them as long as I was
satisfied with the way windows was running. I was trying to solve the same
problem I am working on now. I don't understand why all these msoffice
setup files are being created in the installer folder.

Thanks,

Gerry Cornell said:
Boria

The following paragraph was in my earlier post this morning along with a
number of other suggestions.

If your drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises with your
operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory of your C
partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows folder
typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and $NtUninstallKB282010$ etc. These
files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed the text of the
folder name appears in blue characters. If not compressed you can compress
them. Right click on each folder and select Properties, General, Advanced
and check the box before Compress contents to save Disk Space. On the
General Tab you can see the amount gained by deducting the size on disk
from the size. Folder compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted
drive / partition.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Boria said:
It is a bunch of files. I have listed the tree below.

5,438 MB Installer
5,237 MB [Files]
183 MB $PatchCache$
9,303 kb MSN Messenger 7.5.0311
2,633 kb {90110409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0150048383C9}
1,422 kb {2DE06ACA-BF73-4102-BC75-2027D68BEF92}
There are 34 other files with a long series of numbers like the ones
above but most of them are less than 100 kb.

There are hundreds of these files in the Installer directory.
Example--1b4755c.msp, 1b4756b.msp, 1b4758c.msp. The file type is a
windows installer patch. I clicked on a few of them and the seem to
have something to do with Microsoft office. I do have a few office
updates that won't install. Do you think they could be adding to
this installer folder everytime they try to install? I have tried to
install them from the office website and they fail and every so often
they try to install when I shut down my computer but they fail. This
happens about once a day. Usually happens if I have been online. If
I haven't been online they don't try to install upon shutdown.

Thanks

news:%[email protected]...
 
R

Rock

Upon looking at these files. On 11/14/2006, 33 files were added and all
of them have to do with msoffice setup. They have different file names
such as c60dc5.msp, c98434.msp,d1ab76.msp but they are all do the same
thing and are the same size and recorded the same time and day. When I
double click on them, it carries me into the microsoft office setup
screen.
These files are being added almost daily.

I suggest you ask in one of the Office newsgroups for info on what can be
deleted from there for the ms office setup files.

This might be a good one to post to:
http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...640-c1ba-43c3-a224-b3ec1473346c&lang=en&cr=us
 
G

Gerry Cornell

Boria

The msp file extension indicates a Windows Installer Patch.

FWIW on my system they total 237 mb and are now compressed to 175 mb.
My system has Office 2000 so I get few updates nowadays. Most Office
updates presently seem to be for later Office versions.

Guessing but Microsoft have been issuing a number of Critical Security
updates for Microsoft Office products in addition to those patching
Windows XP.


--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 

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