P4C800-E Deluxe Dual-DDR recommendations

A

Anon Amous

Please reply with recommended Brand + Model of dual DDR memory for the
'p4c800-e deluxe'.

Thanks
 
P

Philip Callan

Anon said:
Please reply with recommended Brand + Model of dual DDR memory for the
'p4c800-e deluxe'.

Short version:

http://www.google.com
search for:

Transcend, Kingston, Infineon, Micron, Corsair, or OCZ
One of the top links should take you to their homepage, as the QVL is
out-dated, and doesnt cover anything PC3500+, they normally have a 'this
is my motherboard, show me what memory you have for me' feature in their
products page, I would figure thats your best bet.

[If you care here's how I found out]

See this page:
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4c800-e_d/overview.htm

Its the 'main' page for your motherboard, on it is a link at the VERY
bottom. It says 'DDR400 QVL DOWNLOAD'

ASUS doesn't realize not everyone is a tech or a geek, its the
'Qualified Vendors List'

This is the memory ASUS has used themselves, and it has performed
exactly as it is required under the JEDEC standard for PC3200, theres
nothing 'officially' higher, now knowing most motherboard companies,
ASUS is no exception, their engineers no doubt 'pushed' these modules a
little bit, if only to make sure that their 'overclocking' functions in
the bios worked to some extent on 'auto' if it stopped working the
second it stepped over 210mhz, they wouldnt list it.

Now, the big point is, a lot of it is techy geek crap you dont need to
read, so I can save you downloading the PDF if you want, and give you
the nitty gritty, the (edited) recognizable 'vendors' that ASUS uses
"for optimum performance and overclocking stability" are:

Transcend, Kingston, Samsung, Infineon, Micron, Corsair, OCZ
(I have this board, I use Kingston, lifetime warranty is hard to beat)

There is a lot of samsung/micron/Kingmax confusing shell game 3rd party
listings, so I edited out some companies from the 'official' list.
 
A

Anon Amous

Philip,
you are a gentleman and a scholar.

Thanks

Philip Callan said:
Anon said:
Please reply with recommended Brand + Model of dual DDR memory for the
'p4c800-e deluxe'.

Short version:

http://www.google.com
search for:

Transcend, Kingston, Infineon, Micron, Corsair, or OCZ
One of the top links should take you to their homepage, as the QVL is
out-dated, and doesnt cover anything PC3500+, they normally have a 'this
is my motherboard, show me what memory you have for me' feature in their
products page, I would figure thats your best bet.

[If you care here's how I found out]

See this page:
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4c800-e_d/overview.htm

Its the 'main' page for your motherboard, on it is a link at the VERY
bottom. It says 'DDR400 QVL DOWNLOAD'

ASUS doesn't realize not everyone is a tech or a geek, its the
'Qualified Vendors List'

This is the memory ASUS has used themselves, and it has performed
exactly as it is required under the JEDEC standard for PC3200, theres
nothing 'officially' higher, now knowing most motherboard companies,
ASUS is no exception, their engineers no doubt 'pushed' these modules a
little bit, if only to make sure that their 'overclocking' functions in
the bios worked to some extent on 'auto' if it stopped working the
second it stepped over 210mhz, they wouldnt list it.

Now, the big point is, a lot of it is techy geek crap you dont need to
read, so I can save you downloading the PDF if you want, and give you
the nitty gritty, the (edited) recognizable 'vendors' that ASUS uses
"for optimum performance and overclocking stability" are:

Transcend, Kingston, Samsung, Infineon, Micron, Corsair, OCZ
(I have this board, I use Kingston, lifetime warranty is hard to beat)

There is a lot of samsung/micron/Kingmax confusing shell game 3rd party
listings, so I edited out some companies from the 'official' list.
 
P

Philip Callan

Anon said:
Philip,
you are a gentleman and a scholar.

Thanks

Heh, dont make me blush :)

glad to help, I love my P4C800-E, and want as many users out there as
possible, it will help push linux support for it :)
 
P

Paul

Philip Callan said:
Anon said:
Please reply with recommended Brand + Model of dual DDR memory for the
'p4c800-e deluxe'.

Short version:

http://www.google.com
search for:

Transcend, Kingston, Infineon, Micron, Corsair, or OCZ
One of the top links should take you to their homepage, as the QVL is
out-dated, and doesnt cover anything PC3500+, they normally have a 'this
is my motherboard, show me what memory you have for me' feature in their
products page, I would figure thats your best bet.

[If you care here's how I found out]

See this page:
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4c800-e_d/overview.htm

Its the 'main' page for your motherboard, on it is a link at the VERY
bottom. It says 'DDR400 QVL DOWNLOAD'

ASUS doesn't realize not everyone is a tech or a geek, its the
'Qualified Vendors List'

This is the memory ASUS has used themselves, and it has performed
exactly as it is required under the JEDEC standard for PC3200, theres
nothing 'officially' higher, now knowing most motherboard companies,
ASUS is no exception, their engineers no doubt 'pushed' these modules a
little bit, if only to make sure that their 'overclocking' functions in
the bios worked to some extent on 'auto' if it stopped working the
second it stepped over 210mhz, they wouldnt list it.

Now, the big point is, a lot of it is techy geek crap you dont need to
read, so I can save you downloading the PDF if you want, and give you
the nitty gritty, the (edited) recognizable 'vendors' that ASUS uses
"for optimum performance and overclocking stability" are:

Transcend, Kingston, Samsung, Infineon, Micron, Corsair, OCZ
(I have this board, I use Kingston, lifetime warranty is hard to beat)

There is a lot of samsung/micron/Kingmax confusing shell game 3rd party
listings, so I edited out some companies from the 'official' list.

As a "counter" opinion, I'd say a list of memory that doesn't
work would be of more value. I find the Asus list does nothing
but scare potential customers, in that the customers soon realize
that they cannot find the items in the QVL, despite their best efforts.

The world is full of callous marketeers, and any time you see a list
like this, you have to ask the question - "What motive does this
vendor have for providing this list ?" If the memory suppliers paid
Asus money, to be included in the list, then the list has no value
at all. I haven't seen any description of what the exact test procedure
for the memories was, whether overclocked or run at nominal speed,
number of samples of memories tested etc.

The thing is, DRAM is a constantly changing quantity. So-called
"value ram" can have memory chips from three different vendors, so
there is really little control over what you are getting. Of the
vendors in your short list, Infineon and Micron make their own
memory chips, while the others buy and test from whoever makes the
best product for their purposes. You cannot be guaranteed that
from one lot of DIMMs to the next, that any of these vendors will
be using the same chips as before.

So, my recommendation to you, Anon, is to find a vendor with a
generous return policy. At the very least, the vendor should
replace modules that you find cause errors on the board or
don't meet the specs listed for the module (i.e. CAS rating
or clock speed rating). Obviously, there should also be a
long term warranty against failure, as while memory failures
shouldn't be frequent, you should be protected from economic
loss when they do fail. (I had a stick of ram fail, a couple
months after a 1 year warranty expired, and that is why I
mention it.) There should also be a spec sheet, with the
timing numbers listed as to what the module is guaranteed
to do. (Many pricewatch.com listed memories don't have
specs.)

Here is a thread on abxzone, on the P4C800-e. The thread
currently has 2500 posts in it, so will take all day to
read. You might get some idea of the range of memories
that work here:

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=49225

Their search engine is here:
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/search.php

"Do you like your P4C800-e poll"
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=60514

"Original P4C800 thread" (approx 1000 posts)
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=42086

The Abxzone is biased towards enthusiasts, so you won't get a
good sampling of what brands of "value rams" would work or
not work. Also, since not all memory is available in all
countries of the world, you may not be able to find most
of what you read about there.

HTH,
Paul
 
A

Anon Amous

Thank you Paul,
your 'alternative' comments are interesting and helpful.
I will check out your links asap.
The knowledge in this ng is impressive - much like a pooled resource, which
I suppose it the intention of the ng philosophy.


Paul said:
Philip Callan said:
Anon said:
Please reply with recommended Brand + Model of dual DDR memory for the
'p4c800-e deluxe'.

Short version:

http://www.google.com
search for:

Transcend, Kingston, Infineon, Micron, Corsair, or OCZ
One of the top links should take you to their homepage, as the QVL is
out-dated, and doesnt cover anything PC3500+, they normally have a 'this
is my motherboard, show me what memory you have for me' feature in their
products page, I would figure thats your best bet.

[If you care here's how I found out]

See this page:
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4c800-e_d/overview.htm

Its the 'main' page for your motherboard, on it is a link at the VERY
bottom. It says 'DDR400 QVL DOWNLOAD'

ASUS doesn't realize not everyone is a tech or a geek, its the
'Qualified Vendors List'

This is the memory ASUS has used themselves, and it has performed
exactly as it is required under the JEDEC standard for PC3200, theres
nothing 'officially' higher, now knowing most motherboard companies,
ASUS is no exception, their engineers no doubt 'pushed' these modules a
little bit, if only to make sure that their 'overclocking' functions in
the bios worked to some extent on 'auto' if it stopped working the
second it stepped over 210mhz, they wouldnt list it.

Now, the big point is, a lot of it is techy geek crap you dont need to
read, so I can save you downloading the PDF if you want, and give you
the nitty gritty, the (edited) recognizable 'vendors' that ASUS uses
"for optimum performance and overclocking stability" are:

Transcend, Kingston, Samsung, Infineon, Micron, Corsair, OCZ
(I have this board, I use Kingston, lifetime warranty is hard to beat)

There is a lot of samsung/micron/Kingmax confusing shell game 3rd party
listings, so I edited out some companies from the 'official' list.

As a "counter" opinion, I'd say a list of memory that doesn't
work would be of more value. I find the Asus list does nothing
but scare potential customers, in that the customers soon realize
that they cannot find the items in the QVL, despite their best efforts.

The world is full of callous marketeers, and any time you see a list
like this, you have to ask the question - "What motive does this
vendor have for providing this list ?" If the memory suppliers paid
Asus money, to be included in the list, then the list has no value
at all. I haven't seen any description of what the exact test procedure
for the memories was, whether overclocked or run at nominal speed,
number of samples of memories tested etc.

The thing is, DRAM is a constantly changing quantity. So-called
"value ram" can have memory chips from three different vendors, so
there is really little control over what you are getting. Of the
vendors in your short list, Infineon and Micron make their own
memory chips, while the others buy and test from whoever makes the
best product for their purposes. You cannot be guaranteed that
from one lot of DIMMs to the next, that any of these vendors will
be using the same chips as before.

So, my recommendation to you, Anon, is to find a vendor with a
generous return policy. At the very least, the vendor should
replace modules that you find cause errors on the board or
don't meet the specs listed for the module (i.e. CAS rating
or clock speed rating). Obviously, there should also be a
long term warranty against failure, as while memory failures
shouldn't be frequent, you should be protected from economic
loss when they do fail. (I had a stick of ram fail, a couple
months after a 1 year warranty expired, and that is why I
mention it.) There should also be a spec sheet, with the
timing numbers listed as to what the module is guaranteed
to do. (Many pricewatch.com listed memories don't have
specs.)

Here is a thread on abxzone, on the P4C800-e. The thread
currently has 2500 posts in it, so will take all day to
read. You might get some idea of the range of memories
that work here:

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=49225

Their search engine is here:
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/search.php

"Do you like your P4C800-e poll"
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=60514

"Original P4C800 thread" (approx 1000 posts)
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=42086

The Abxzone is biased towards enthusiasts, so you won't get a
good sampling of what brands of "value rams" would work or
not work. Also, since not all memory is available in all
countries of the world, you may not be able to find most
of what you read about there.

HTH,
Paul
 
P

Paladin

Anon Amous said:
The knowledge in this ng is impressive - much like a pooled resource, which
I suppose it the intention of the ng philosophy.

It's true. Usenet is the best Technical Support line in the world - and it
doesn't demand a premium rate phone call!
 
P

Philip Callan

Paladin said:
It's true. Usenet is the best Technical Support line in the world - and it
doesn't demand a premium rate phone call!

WHAT!

There goes my plan of opening a 1-900 tech line, and spamming all the NG!

*wink*
 
A

Anon

As you will see from other posts, there are a lot of memory that will work
fine. I just assembled my P4C800-E system last week. I went with:

Mushkin 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3500 Level One Dual Pack - Retail

Specification
Manufacturer: Mushkin
Speed: DDR433(PC3500)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2-3-3
Support Voltage: 2.5V-2.75V
Bandwidth: 3.5GB/s
Organization: two 64M x 64-Bit
Warranty: Lifetime

I got it from Newegg, same for the other components.

I haven't had any problems with the memory. I do recommend that you get a
copy of MemTest86 (or equivalent DOS based memory test.) After you do your
first boot, run the memory test for 10-20 passes to ensure the memory is
functioning on all cells.

On my previous system, I didn't run the memory test, and ended up reloading
the OS 4 times over the period of 3 days trying to get things working right.
Then I found it was the memory.

Al
 
D

Donald White

Anon said:
Please reply with recommended Brand + Model of dual DDR memory for the
'p4c800-e deluxe'.

Thanks
I have 2 P4C800-E systems. I bought this MB because the 875 chipset
supports ECC. I use Crucial PC3200 SDRAM with ECC, 2x256MB. I know it
is CL3, not CL2. I run ECC memory in all 8 of my systems. I do not
overclock and am not a gamer. For me the stability is worth the
performance tradeoff. I hate troubleshooting mysterious lockups and hangs.

Don
 
A

Anon Amous

Thanks Don,
I too am a fan of stability and thus have considered ECC DRAM.
From what I have read, the performance tradeoff for ECC is *not* great and
thus I expect I will have a stable system which will be gaming capable.
I take it that you are a fan of the mb in question by virtue of the fact
that you have two of them.
Thanks again.

Kind Regards
 
D

Donald White

Anon said:
I take it that you are a fan of the mb in question by virtue of the fact
that you have two of them.

When I researched MBs I found that the P4C800-E really has no
compromises. It has every feature with performance and stability. I
run 3 other ASUS P3B-F MBs. I would replace them, but it seems they
will never break. I have also had a P2L97 which never failed, but I
took out of service 3 months ago, and 2 TX-97s. One of these had the
keyboard controller fail, but ASUS swapped the board. Until recently
they played games for a friends preschool children.

One of the things I like about ASUS is that they continue to provide
updated BIOSes long after a MB is out of manufacture. Some complain
that these are BETA BIOSes, but this is an engineering term of art since
the BIOSes can never ship as part of a product.

Don
 
S

snoopy

Got this too. Works flawlessly.

Anon said:
As you will see from other posts, there are a lot of memory that will work
fine. I just assembled my P4C800-E system last week. I went with:

Mushkin 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3500 Level One Dual Pack - Retail

Specification
Manufacturer: Mushkin
Speed: DDR433(PC3500)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2-3-3
Support Voltage: 2.5V-2.75V
Bandwidth: 3.5GB/s
Organization: two 64M x 64-Bit
Warranty: Lifetime

I got it from Newegg, same for the other components.

I haven't had any problems with the memory. I do recommend that you get a
copy of MemTest86 (or equivalent DOS based memory test.) After you do your
first boot, run the memory test for 10-20 passes to ensure the memory is
functioning on all cells.

On my previous system, I didn't run the memory test, and ended up reloading
the OS 4 times over the period of 3 days trying to get things working right.
Then I found it was the memory.

Al
 

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