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KHaled
Wishing you all a merry christmas, and a happy new year..
C
CJ Jones
Happy giftmas to you all!KHaled said:
And Susan and the gang..thanks for yet another great job!
cj
K
Kurt
Dittos!
B
Buzzy
CJ said:
Oh yes, I must concur(<checked that word up in WordWeb!).
Seasons Greetings!
Buzzy
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www.buzzys.net
"The World Wide Web's Rest Area"
Warning: This site contains MY
version of freeware! All are welcome!
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Dugie
Best wishes to you all. I'm top posting due to the Christmas excitement.
Dugie
Dugie
H
Helen
Top posting is excellent for those who are visually impaired and must rely on audio.
With top-posting they don't have to listen to yet another regurgitation of the same old
post over and over and over merely to hear a short response at the end that consist
of a single word or nothing of significance. Top-posting is excellent for visually impaired
persons who are thankful to you every time you top-post.
--
It has always been the policy of the
advocates of error, when unable to
sustain themselves by sophistry, specious
reasoning and false logic, to stigmatize
the advocates of truth.
With top-posting they don't have to listen to yet another regurgitation of the same old
post over and over and over merely to hear a short response at the end that consist
of a single word or nothing of significance. Top-posting is excellent for visually impaired
persons who are thankful to you every time you top-post.
--
It has always been the policy of the
advocates of error, when unable to
sustain themselves by sophistry, specious
reasoning and false logic, to stigmatize
the advocates of truth.
G
Gert van der Kooij
("Helen" said:
That's the best reason I heard to prefer topposting. If top posting
really makes that much difference to visually impaired posters I'm
going to top post as well.
It could also be an option to change the behaviour of the text-to-
speech programs which could skip quoted lines but I'm not familiar
whith these programs.
T
The Wizard
Gert van der Kooij said:
My Brothers blind but does'nt use a computer at all, I've never actually
looked at this way TBH.
I'm familiar with Supernova (text to speech) installed the demo so he could
try using my PC but even that is difficult to set up for newsgroups.
I know what you mean with the quoted text as some used the more familiar >
whilst others use | or :
Not sure if supernova could be enabled to ignore these though?
I've tried using the program with my eyes shut (still have the advantage of
course of knowing where desktop icons are and most of my programs) and it's
still painfully slow and difficult to get around the desktop.
Wonder how many visually impaired users read the newsgroups..out of
interest?
T.W.
J
John Fitzsimons
Sounds as though the problem is with the audio program. Not bottom
posters. An audio program for reading news posts should be able to
skip quoted text.
One doesn't need to re-read everything if people delete irrelevant
(prior) text.
Top-posting is an abomination for non visually impaired persons who
are thankful to you for putting the answers to questions AFTER the
questions.
Regards, John.
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Gary R. Schmidt
The Wizard wrote:
[SNIP]
Should be fairly simple, I did a fair bit of configuration for blind
users back in 2000, but for the life of me I can't remember what the
product was, but it wasn't hard to get it to handle various lead
characters quoted text, and, IIRC there was a hotkey that said "go back
and read the quoted text, I need to know it". Top posting really
doesn't help with carrying context, only interspersing (as I have done
here) does that.
be identified as such, and probably still do so.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
[SNIP]
Should be fairly simple, I did a fair bit of configuration for blind
users back in 2000, but for the life of me I can't remember what the
product was, but it wasn't hard to get it to handle various lead
characters quoted text, and, IIRC there was a hotkey that said "go back
and read the quoted text, I need to know it". Top posting really
doesn't help with carrying context, only interspersing (as I have done
here) does that.
Well, there were a few in Oz, but they went to quite some lengths not to
be identified as such, and probably still do so.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
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Dugie
Hey guys, it was a joke. A Christmas joke! However...
With the exception of the first one or two replies, at least some of us who
are NOT visually impaired also find top posting a way to avoid another
regurgitation the same old post.
Wow, serious stuff! I've added this to my new and growing tagline file. I
wish I'd kept the taglines from my BBSing days, which had hundreds of
quotes.
BBSs (computer Bulletin Board System) were usually non-networked systems
operated as home hobbies, run by people for often no charge to the callers,
before the internet was generally available. I ran a Wildcat! for ten years;
it was fun!
There may be a *few* people here who remember BBSs, and some who actually
used them.
Dugie
However...the same oldHelen said:
With the exception of the first one or two replies, at least some of us who
are NOT visually impaired also find top posting a way to avoid another
regurgitation the same old post.
Wow, serious stuff! I've added this to my new and growing tagline file. I
wish I'd kept the taglines from my BBSing days, which had hundreds of
quotes.
BBSs (computer Bulletin Board System) were usually non-networked systems
operated as home hobbies, run by people for often no charge to the callers,
before the internet was generally available. I ran a Wildcat! for ten years;
it was fun!
There may be a *few* people here who remember BBSs, and some who actually
used them.
Dugie
N
Nicolaas Hawkins
Hey guys, it was a joke. A Christmas joke!
the same old
With the exception of the first one or two replies, at least some of us who
are NOT visually impaired also find top posting a way to avoid another
regurgitation the same old post.
Wow, serious stuff! I've added this to my new and growing tagline file. I
wish I'd kept the taglines from my BBSing days, which had hundreds of
quotes.
BBSs (computer Bulletin Board System) were usually non-networked systems
operated as home hobbies, run by people for often no charge to the callers,
before the internet was generally available. I ran a Wildcat! for ten years;
it was fun!
There may be a *few* people here who remember BBSs, and some who actually
used them.
And yet others who actually ran them - as did I also, for about as long -
serving as a FidoNet co-ordnator for six of those years.
I think the most appropriate tagline for that operation that I ever saw
was:
"SysOp-ing: Occasionally exciting, mostly boring, and frequently
diarrhoeic."
--
Regards,
Nicolaas.
.... You know it's going to be a bad day when the bird singing outside your
window at daybreak is a buzzard.
G
Gary R. Schmidt
Hardly on the level of "kremvax!moscvax!..." however.Dugie said:Hey guys, it was a joke. A Christmas joke!
Learn to snip. Regardless of whether you top- or bottom-post, snip out
the irrelevant sections.
It's not really that difficult to do, but the moans of the handicapped
who simply _can't_ edit a post are pathetic.
[SNIP]
Yes, I used BBSes back in the late 1980s, and even ran a couple and
helped set more than few up here in Oz.
But I was on Usenet well before that, so you could say that I am
conditioned to SNIP and bottom post, because then it was possible to
deny access to those who could not and _would_ not follow netiquette
adequately.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
D
David
I resemble that remark. My first introduction to the wonders at theHey guys, it was a joke. A Christmas joke!
the same oldHelen said:
With the exception of the first one or two replies, at least some of us who
are NOT visually impaired also find top posting a way to avoid another
regurgitation the same old post.
[...]
BBSs (computer Bulletin Board System) were usually non-networked systems
operated as home hobbies, run by people for often no charge to the callers,
before the internet was generally available. I ran a Wildcat! for ten years;
it was fun!
There may be a *few* people here who remember BBSs, and some who actually
used them.
end of a 300 baud modem. I managed to avoid acoustic couplers.
--
David
Remove "farook" to reply
At the bottom of the application where it says
"sign here". I put "Sagittarius"
E-mail: justdas at iinet dot net dot au
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Dugie
Running my Wildcat! BBS for 10 years was a lot of fun. The messages,
"online" games, files exchange, everything, were great. And my decision to
shut it down in 2001 was difficult.
What type of BBSs did you run?
I appreciate those who snip on newsgroups. And also enjoyed the top-post
style of BBSs.
Netiquette is arbitrary, IMHO.
<snip>
Dugie
D
Dugie
Naw, I took my time to type.
Some bother to snip, most don't.
I'd forgotten about 300 baud. What a nightmare it was. Then came 14.4, then
56K, still a nightmare but I didn't know it.
Dugie
Some bother to snip, most don't.
I'd forgotten about 300 baud. What a nightmare it was. Then came 14.4, then
56K, still a nightmare but I didn't know it.
Dugie
G
Gary R. Schmidt
Dugie wrote:
[SNIP]
Hmm, I don't think I really should answer that, they were sort of, shall
we say, associated with some of those people who got into trouble back
in the 80s here in Melbourne for doing thing with computers and
telephones and stuff.
It was all fun for some time, but when they started asking about how to
break password files and the like I just quietly shut down.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
[SNIP]
Hmm, I don't think I really should answer that, they were sort of, shall
we say, associated with some of those people who got into trouble back
in the 80s here in Melbourne for doing thing with computers and
telephones and stuff.
It was all fun for some time, but when they started asking about how to
break password files and the like I just quietly shut down.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
D
Dugie
Gary R. Schmidt said:
I was asking about your software: Wildcat!, Citadel, etc., not what you did
with it
Most BBSs seemed to have some type of [thing].You were smart. Only a few people in Nova Scotia got into trouble; the rest
escaped detection, and now all or most BBSs are gone. I did find some when I
searched the newsgroups offered by my ISP, which was a nice surprise. I may
try them. I miss great games like Global War, LORD, etc.
Dugie
G
Gary R. Schmidt
Dugie wrote:
[SNIP]
I used one called xbbs, running on Xenix, and it was the only one I knew
of. Plus I could allow people to login directly to the machine without
allowing BBS users to break out.
Then a mad bugger down in Geelong had a brainwave, and I helped him
start what became APANA, and then the Internet took off here in Oz, and
all the BBSes went away.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
[SNIP]
Oh, that. (It's Xmas, whose brain is running?!?!)I was asking about your software: Wildcat!, Citadel, etc., not what you did
with it
I used one called xbbs, running on Xenix, and it was the only one I knew
of. Plus I could allow people to login directly to the machine without
allowing BBS users to break out.
Then a mad bugger down in Geelong had a brainwave, and I helped him
start what became APANA, and then the Internet took off here in Oz, and
all the BBSes went away.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
D
Dugie
Gary R. Schmidt said:
Your tagline is intriguing. Is it anti-dangling prepositions?
Dugie