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RayLopez99
For documents. Cleaner interface, works faster it seems, and 'automatic bookmarks' to save the last page you were viewing when you reopen your document. Using WinDjView for Windows.
RL
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Mike Easter
RayLopez99 said:
Don't use GG's new interface to post to usenet groups. It has bad
formatting so it is rude of you to the majority who use normal nntp
newsreaders. You are capable of using an nntp newsserver and client.
Wiki article on the superior features of DjVu and apps for handling with
*n*x, mac, win as well as android, iphone/pad and blackberry.
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RayLopez99
No I'm not capable. Quit assuming stuff Easter.
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DK
Similarly, Xara .Web format was infinitely better than Macromedia Flash.
It's the biggest, not the best, who typically wins.
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Mike Easter
RayLopez99 said:
You are choosing to use anonymous proxies and a browser to read and post
to usenet groups when you /could/ instead 'anonymize' or hide your IP
address by simply choosing an nntp news server which does not stamp
the/your NPH IP and then you could use a proper/normal nntp news agent
which would not butcher your messages like GG does. The nntp news
server could be accessed from the same port 80 as your browser accesses
GG if you have a problem with some ports being blocked at your location.
GG's new interface botched the initial post you made in this thread and
GG's new interface botched your reply to my message. It is a mess.
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RayLopez99
Indeed the best sometimes improves on the first to market (i.e. the biggest) and thus becomes the best...
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RayLopez99
So that's how they spoof "WhiteHouse.Gov" in their return line!? Those clever trolls.
http://www.newsreaders.info/recommended-newsreaders.htm
I quick review of the above shows me it would take several hours of time tochoose then set up the newsreaders, then due to the fact they're not really supported (who uses Newsgroups nowadays? very few) likely I'll set it upwrong and compromise myself somehow...can't be bothered, sorry.
Hey thanks for the suggestion I use VirtualBox virtual OSes--now I'm a realpro at using them, but they are not the same thing as using a real OS, some slight differences and slower too...still, as a sandbox they are fine.
Ciao,
RL
(I trust you can read this fine...Google Groups is not acting up at the moment)
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Robin Bignall
.... But you're using this one, Ray!
It's OK except that the line length is too big for comfort. I actually
have to move my head.
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Mike Easter
(I excised my cited recommendations to use nntp newsreader and news
server over port 80 which has become so badly mangled by your citation
as to require removal and paraphrase)
It is true that GG does not allow your using a bogus email address in
the From, while news readers do, but that is not the point here.
If you use that page as a source of information, you will become confused.
The setting up of a newsreader should not 'compromise' you; apparently
you just need a little guidance. My first recommendation is to
immediately stop using GG *new* interface. If you have to use GG at
all, you should find your way to using the old interface.
Then, if your OS is WinXP, start by finding and using OE which is
installed and which many people are familiar with. If your OS is Vista,
start by using WinMail which is also pre-installed and similar to OE.
If your OS is Win7, you do not have a newsreader installed by default,
so you should choose one.
If you are familiar with OE from previous experience with XP and email,
some say your choice should be Thunderbird even tho' it is significantly
different from OE.
State which virtual OS you are generally using. If it is XP, then OE is
a natural choice for your newsreader and we are only left to choose a
news server.
Then I need to know whether you have limitations as to which port you
can use or if you are free to use the normal port 119.
The new GG interface is *always* acting up. No, I can't read it 'just
fine' as your formatting has mangled everything cited and failed to
properly wrap your words because of the GG QP transfer encoding.
server over port 80 which has become so badly mangled by your citation
as to require removal and paraphrase)
It is true that GG does not allow your using a bogus email address in
the From, while news readers do, but that is not the point here.
If you use that page as a source of information, you will become confused.
The setting up of a newsreader should not 'compromise' you; apparently
you just need a little guidance. My first recommendation is to
immediately stop using GG *new* interface. If you have to use GG at
all, you should find your way to using the old interface.
Then, if your OS is WinXP, start by finding and using OE which is
installed and which many people are familiar with. If your OS is Vista,
start by using WinMail which is also pre-installed and similar to OE.
If your OS is Win7, you do not have a newsreader installed by default,
so you should choose one.
If you are familiar with OE from previous experience with XP and email,
some say your choice should be Thunderbird even tho' it is significantly
different from OE.
State which virtual OS you are generally using. If it is XP, then OE is
a natural choice for your newsreader and we are only left to choose a
news server.
Then I need to know whether you have limitations as to which port you
can use or if you are free to use the normal port 119.
The new GG interface is *always* acting up. No, I can't read it 'just
fine' as your formatting has mangled everything cited and failed to
properly wrap your words because of the GG QP transfer encoding.
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Bug Dout
Mike Easter said:
I'm using nntp and Gnu Emacs Gnus to read his posts and have no
problem. Quit acting the Usenet cop, the problem is on your side.
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Mike Easter
Bug said:
- the problem isn't (exactly) 'reading' his _initial_ posts which are
in GG's transfer-encoding Quoted-Printable, which I can manually wrap
with my agent
- the problem is with -1- citing his posts and -2- with his post's
citations being 'double-spaced' (with QP wraps)
- I haven't seen you reply to one of his messages
- I can't believe that you don't see his citation formatting problems
in this thread's messages
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
or
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577203700
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577209500
Your nntp newsreader is not posting in some artbitrary style of QP
transfer encoding which the new GG interface is.
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Mike Easter
To be more specific, because the problem isn't limited to a QP issue,
itemizing RL's posts in this thread alone:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577381900
This message's par has no wraps, so it wraps to the windows edge
depending on the agent's configuration. The message should either have
linewraps consistent with format=flowed or hard wraps for 72-74
char/line. That message is not QP.
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577203700
This message cited earlier is also not QP. It has doublespaced the
cited material.
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577432200
This message is not QP. Its problems are not very obvious because the
cited material is scant and the original content is a very short
paragraph -- but the short paragraph is all on one 103 char line rather
than any wrapping.
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577209500
This message cited earlier is QP with QP 'enhanced' doublespaced
formatting of cited material and QP wrapping of the original content.
itemizing RL's posts in this thread alone:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577381900
This message's par has no wraps, so it wraps to the windows edge
depending on the agent's configuration. The message should either have
linewraps consistent with format=flowed or hard wraps for 72-74
char/line. That message is not QP.
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577203700
This message cited earlier is also not QP. It has doublespaced the
cited material.
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577432200
This message is not QP. Its problems are not very obvious because the
cited material is scant and the original content is a very short
paragraph -- but the short paragraph is all on one 103 char line rather
than any wrapping.
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=135577209500
This message cited earlier is QP with QP 'enhanced' doublespaced
formatting of cited material and QP wrapping of the original content.
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SC Tom
Timothy Daniels said:
http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/windows-live-downloads-version-2/
Scroll down to Live Essentials 2009 and download the Full Version Installer
file rather than the web installer, since that may send you to the 2011
or2012 versions. **Run the installer and select what you want from the list
(you always add what you don't now later on). Once it's through, you'll
probably have to reboot, and then you can set up your email and news
accounts.
** If you have automatic Windows updates enabled, temporarily change it to
"Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them."
Once Live Mail is installed, you should shortly receive an "updates are
ready" message. Open Windows Updates, uncheck the Live Essentials update(s),
then right-click on them and select "Hide this update." If you don't do
that, you will automatically be "upgraded" (and I use that term very
loosely) to either WLM2011 or 2012.
You cannot mix products from different versions. You can't have Live Mail
2009 and Movie Maker 2012 at the same time.
There's talk that 2009 will be disabled (or an upgrade will be forced on
you) later on, but I have it installed on both of my Win7 machines and my
Win8 laptop with no problems with it so far.
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Mike Easter
SC said:
Besides using the older v. of WLM which didn't lose the ability to add
quote levels, some people 're-establish' the 'Vista' Windows Mail in Win7.
One story I heard or read is that MS originally intended (and
structured) to put WM into Win7, but then removed it to conform to the
requirement of something or other (the EU?) that Win7 not include a mail
agent.
I'm not sure which is easier or harder, rejuvenating WM in Win7 or
installing the older WLM with the ongoing need to keep it from being
updated into badness.
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SC Tom
Mike Easter said:
Once you "hide this update", you won't be bothered by it again. Or at least,
I haven't been, and I've been using WLM 2009 for a number of years now.
IIRC, you have to have access to a Vista machine in order to incorporate WM
into Win7. It's been a loooong time since I've looked into that, so I may be
mistaken about that.
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SC Tom
Mike Easter said:
What they've done is put together the files that were to be taken from an
already present Vista installation so you don't have to look for one
Nice of them, but I don't miss it enough to give it a try. Besides, I
already belong to enough groups without having to join Techspot. Good
hunting!