Organic computers, CPU's that grow and adapt.... :-)

O

On the Bridge

I thought I would blabber a bit... This is for the people who like to ask
questions.. and have a curious mind... :)

Moore claimed recently that CPU power will reach a barrier in 10-15 years.
Many of you may be aware of "moores law" that he had stated that every 24
months the power of CPU's (the amount of calculations they would be able to
do) would double.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
This barrier Moore says now, would be true if we continue our path in this
direction of technology, which are microchips.
The problems arise are clearly about physics. Transistors are in fact made
of matter, thus atoms,
and through them passes the electric signal that is electromagnetic energy
with the speed of C (light speed). Pushing these chips to go faster produces
more heat, thus we have reached a speed limit of modern CPU at around 5 GHz
and even that is with super cooling.
Many talk about molecular computers or even quantum computers, that seem
very interesting...

But there is another way, the way nature works. If one studies the brain you
will see that it gets its processing power out of slow components (nerve
cells) that however have many connections with each other. Each neuron has
thousands of connections (called dendrites) with others, and all these
together form a "web" or vast cluster.
The number of "possible" connections of these neurons, in each human brain
is more than all the atoms of all the matter in the whole universe. This is
of course the number of POSSIBLE connections and not the true number of
connections in any given time. This is because the brain is not static,
rather it has "brain plasticity" the ability to adapt and learn and change
in real time.

It is my opinion that the new era of computers must follow the structure of
the brain if they want to achieve more processing power. And indeed piece of
the human brain the size of a dime, has more processing power than all the
computers in the world put together.

You may ask if so much power is in one brain why are some people so
stupid?..I believe differetly. Each person has infinite POTENTIAL. The
reason why this is not unleashed is a different matter. Why? The answer to
this is not simple and I wont get into that now.. because we are talking
about computers here not humans.

There is another problem here though... what software would be able to
handle this new hardware even if we had it? It will not be a digital
computer.. rather it would be a combination of digital and analog
computer... and this is so new that its hard for people to write code that
would be able to put these neuron nets into function.
There is good news. Single chip CPU are things of the past now. We have 4
core CPU now, and Intel has predicted that in 5 years we will have more than
200 cpu per chip.
The OS's and programs are NOT built to handle multi CPU very well. In fact
Vista stinks at it big time. Linux is far better .. MS knows this and is
working on this problem because its in our near future.

So the next generation of programs and OS will be able to handle multi core
CPU better, and that's much like having many nerve cells as cluster in a
small electronic brain. Its a start.

A new generation of robotic scientists now claim that we will have robots
and AI (artificial intelligent computers) that will be comparable to humans
in only 20 years.
I think this is obtainable. Computing power will be infinite very soon....
but it will need some out of the box thinking.

What would this new type of computers be like?

There is a way... for infinity in everything. Infinite bandwidth, processing
power, memory storage, and energy. I believe that it is within the abilty
for humans to reach infinity.

Are you flexible enough to imagine how this would be possible? I know it is
possible.. im just fathoming its ramifications.
 
F

forty-nine

On the Bridge said:
I thought I would blabber a bit... This is for the people who like to ask
questions.. and have a curious mind... :)

Moore claimed recently that CPU power will reach a barrier in 10-15 years.
Many of you may be aware of "moores law" that he had stated that every 24
months the power of CPU's (the amount of calculations they would be able
to do) would double.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
This barrier Moore says now, would be true if we continue our path in this
direction of technology, which are microchips.
The problems arise are clearly about physics. Transistors are in fact made
of matter, thus atoms,
and through them passes the electric signal that is electromagnetic energy
with the speed of C (light speed). Pushing these chips to go faster
produces more heat, thus we have reached a speed limit of modern CPU at
around 5 GHz and even that is with super cooling.
Many talk about molecular computers or even quantum computers, that seem
very interesting...

But there is another way, the way nature works. If one studies the brain
you will see that it gets its processing power out of slow components
(nerve cells) that however have many connections with each other. Each
neuron has thousands of connections (called dendrites) with others, and
all these together form a "web" or vast cluster.
The number of "possible" connections of these neurons, in each human brain
is more than all the atoms of all the matter in the whole universe. This
is of course the number of POSSIBLE connections and not the true number of
connections in any given time. This is because the brain is not static,
rather it has "brain plasticity" the ability to adapt and learn and change
in real time.

It is my opinion that the new era of computers must follow the structure
of the brain if they want to achieve more processing power. And indeed
piece of the human brain the size of a dime, has more processing power
than all the computers in the world put together.

You may ask if so much power is in one brain why are some people so
stupid?..I believe differetly. Each person has infinite POTENTIAL. The
reason why this is not unleashed is a different matter. Why? The answer to
this is not simple and I wont get into that now.. because we are talking
about computers here not humans.

There is another problem here though... what software would be able to
handle this new hardware even if we had it? It will not be a digital
computer.. rather it would be a combination of digital and analog
computer... and this is so new that its hard for people to write code that
would be able to put these neuron nets into function.
There is good news. Single chip CPU are things of the past now. We have 4
core CPU now, and Intel has predicted that in 5 years we will have more
than 200 cpu per chip.
The OS's and programs are NOT built to handle multi CPU very well. In fact
Vista stinks at it big time. Linux is far better .. MS knows this and is
working on this problem because its in our near future.

So the next generation of programs and OS will be able to handle multi
core CPU better, and that's much like having many nerve cells as cluster
in a small electronic brain. Its a start.

A new generation of robotic scientists now claim that we will have robots
and AI (artificial intelligent computers) that will be comparable to
humans in only 20 years.
I think this is obtainable. Computing power will be infinite very soon....
but it will need some out of the box thinking.

What would this new type of computers be like?

There is a way... for infinity in everything. Infinite bandwidth,
processing power, memory storage, and energy. I believe that it is within
the abilty for humans to reach infinity.

Are you flexible enough to imagine how this would be possible? I know it
is possible.. im just fathoming its ramifications.


All that typing ... yet nothing got said.

Tiberius, you a politician ? or a teacher ?
 
G

Guest

you are an imposter of yourself...

another clue that shows this.. is that you 2 always post simutainiously...
You both are doris..

For example if you doris posts as On the Bridge (the theoretically real one)
at 2
pm your other enemy doris as On the Bridge fake or spanky shows up right
after you
do..

You can see that there is no lag between the first poster and the fake
one... if there was that would show that you are really 2 different people
but you are not. 2 people cant be online all the time ...

I have not seen a post from one of you idiots and not a reply from the other
idiot

thus you are only one and the same BIG idiot
 
V

vistamagic

All that typing ... yet nothing got said.

Tiberius, you a politician ? or a teacher ?
its not about what I say, its about what I make you think about.
Oh you need a brain to do that.
 
F

forty-nine

vistamagic said:
its not about what I say, its about what I make you think about.
Oh you need a brain to do that.


I thought nothing about it.
It was quite dull.
Whatever happens with 'puters, will happen.
Its just a tool.
Though, regardless of the technology ... the dweebs developing it will no
doubt miss tons of bugs ... simple current technology barely works.
 
B

Bill Yanaire

On the Bridge said:
I thought I would blabber a bit... This is for the people who like to ask
questions.. and have a curious mind... :)

Moore claimed recently that CPU power will reach a barrier in 10-15 years.
Many of you may be aware of "moores law" that he had stated that every 24
months the power of CPU's (the amount of calculations they would be able
to do) would double.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
This barrier Moore says now, would be true if we continue our path in this
direction of technology, which are microchips.
The problems arise are clearly about physics. Transistors are in fact made
of matter, thus atoms,
and through them passes the electric signal that is electromagnetic energy
with the speed of C (light speed). Pushing these chips to go faster
produces more heat, thus we have reached a speed limit of modern CPU at
around 5 GHz and even that is with super cooling.
Many talk about molecular computers or even quantum computers, that seem
very interesting...

But there is another way, the way nature works. If one studies the brain
you will see that it gets its processing power out of slow components
(nerve cells) that however have many connections with each other. Each
neuron has thousands of connections (called dendrites) with others, and
all these together form a "web" or vast cluster.
The number of "possible" connections of these neurons, in each human brain
is more than all the atoms of all the matter in the whole universe. This
is of course the number of POSSIBLE connections and not the true number of
connections in any given time. This is because the brain is not static,
rather it has "brain plasticity" the ability to adapt and learn and change
in real time.

It is my opinion that the new era of computers must follow the structure
of the brain if they want to achieve more processing power. And indeed
piece of the human brain the size of a dime, has more processing power
than all the computers in the world put together.

You may ask if so much power is in one brain why are some people so
stupid?..I believe differetly. Each person has infinite POTENTIAL. The
reason why this is not unleashed is a different matter. Why? The answer to
this is not simple and I wont get into that now.. because we are talking
about computers here not humans.

There is another problem here though... what software would be able to
handle this new hardware even if we had it? It will not be a digital
computer.. rather it would be a combination of digital and analog
computer... and this is so new that its hard for people to write code that
would be able to put these neuron nets into function.
There is good news. Single chip CPU are things of the past now. We have 4
core CPU now, and Intel has predicted that in 5 years we will have more
than 200 cpu per chip.
The OS's and programs are NOT built to handle multi CPU very well. In fact
Vista stinks at it big time. Linux is far better .. MS knows this and is
working on this problem because its in our near future.

So the next generation of programs and OS will be able to handle multi
core CPU better, and that's much like having many nerve cells as cluster
in a small electronic brain. Its a start.

A new generation of robotic scientists now claim that we will have robots
and AI (artificial intelligent computers) that will be comparable to
humans in only 20 years.
I think this is obtainable. Computing power will be infinite very soon....
but it will need some out of the box thinking.

What would this new type of computers be like?

There is a way... for infinity in everything. Infinite bandwidth,
processing power, memory storage, and energy. I believe that it is within
the abilty for humans to reach infinity.

Are you flexible enough to imagine how this would be possible? I know it
is possible.. im just fathoming its ramifications.
 
O

On the Bridge

you dont understand. Computers will become smarter than humans in our
lifetime.

ok.. computers are already smarter than you.. but Im talking about normal
humans here.
 
B

Bill Yanaire

On the Bridge said:
you dont understand. Computers will become smarter than humans in our
lifetime.

Yes, and Rocks will become smarter than "On the Bridge" within weeks
 
F

forty-nine

On the Bridge said:
you dont understand. Computers will become smarter than humans in our
lifetime.

ok.. computers are already smarter than you.. but Im talking about normal
humans here.

Wrong.
I am smarter.
Years ago, we had a house fire....I got out.
PC got melted.

Yeah, real smart computer
 
G

GregA

I like to read a bit of blabber. Then again, I occasionally watch soaps.
Unless one does indeed *consider* the brain to be a quantum computer, this
particular chunk of blabber is self-evidently nonsense (even without the
proviso). Then again, why do I take the time to respond?
 
O

On the Bridge

when did I say that the brain is a quantum computer?
Yes, Its better to not respond..

first try to comprehend what you are reading.

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50 Ways to leave your Vista....

CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free
 
O

On the Bridge

And that number is what, fatmouth?

I dont like your attitude and normaly I should not respond.. but anyway....

The reference to the text below is> Discovering the Capacity of Human
Memory, Wang, et al, 2003, Brain and Mind, vol 4, no 2, p. 189-198.

Estimates of # neurons vary from about 100 to 500 billion. The average
number of synapses per neuron vary from about 3,000 to 7,000. Each possible
pathway from any synapse to any other synapse in the brain constitutes a
potential unique memory element. The formula for calculating this is
simple -- just calculate the number of combinations. We'll conservatively
assume 100 billion neurons of 3,000 synapses each:

connection possibilities (unique pathways) = n! / m! * (n - m)!, where
n = number of neurons
m = average # of connections between neurons

= 10^11! / 3000! * (10^11 - 3000)!

It takes a special program to calculate such large factorials, but the
result is 10^8432.

Note:

the immense number called googol is only 10^100 which is a miniscule amount
compared to 10^8432

--
50 Ways to leave your Vista....

CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free
 
O

On the Bridge

Actually, what you heard IS correct, but only if you insert the word
"potential" into that sentence. There are actually approximately 3.75 x
10^1,056,570,551,815 possible unique connections for 100 billion neurons.
However, the human brain is thought to contain more than 100 billion
neurons. This outnumbers the number of atoms in the known universe
(estimated anywhere from 10^77 to 10^88 atoms, depends on who you ask) by at
least 10 billion orders of magnitude, which means that there are 1.06 x
10^12 times more possible unique connections in a human brain than atoms in
the universe. The way you arrive at that muligoogolplex of a number is by
using factorial notation.
For example say we only had 10 neurons, how many unique connections can we
make? Well, rather than just counting up the number of possible connections
(10+9+8+...+1) you need to treat each pathway as a variable and find the
number of unique ways to connected every point to everyother point. For
example the signal can travel from neuron 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 or
1-3-2-4-5-6-7-9-10..etc
To calculate the number of unique pathways, you need to use (n-1)! So, with
ten neurons you have (10-1)! = 10! = 10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 3,628,800. When
you use this standard formula to finding the number of possible permutations
for connections of neurons in our brains you end up with almost
uncalculatable numbers. For instance
1! = 1
10! = 3,628,800
100! = 9.33 x 10^157
1000! = 4.02 x 10^2,567
......
10,000,000,000! = approx. 2.33 x 10^95,657,055,186
100,000,000,000! = approx. 3.75 x 10^1,056,570,551,815

That number is so large it is for all intents and purposes, infinity.
I ve done this calculation using approximation software which uses the
Stirling approximation function. It uses a logarithmic version of the
classical iterative method of factorial notation (n-1)! used for smaller n
values. The Stirling approximation is desribed as follows: n! ~ n^n x
10^(-n) sqrt(2*pi*n)(1 + 1/(12n))

Well, there you go. i hope that clears up the seemingly paradoxical
question! We have remarkable brains. The most complex machine in the
universe is sitting in between your ears.

via http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15874&page=2

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CHORUS:

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Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free
 

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