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Mike Andrade
It's freeware and Opera is not.windy said:
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windy
How would you say that Mozilla is better or worse than Opera.
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windy
Opera does not require you to buy it. You can use it with all the bells
and whistles with no problems. They just hope you buy it and to get you to
buy it, they give you support and get rid of the ads..............Windy
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casioculture
windy said:
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Mike Andrade
Which is to say, Mozilla is freeware and Opera is not.windy said:
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windy said:
Firefox > Opera 8 > Mozilla Suite 1.x > Opera 7.
That's how I'd say it.
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elaich
windy said:
Mozilla is better than Opera. That's how I'd say it.
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André Gulliksen
windy said:
I was an Opera (7.x) user for quite a while (both under Windows and X), but
now my main browser of choice is Firefox.
Opera has the drawback of being adware/commercial. That being said, I did
not find the Opera banner very obtrusive at all. You will experience a
slight reduction in the surface available for surfing, especially if you
have a low screen resolution, but with some tweaking I found I actually had
_more_ available surf space with Opera than with IE. Not close to Firefox,
though.
That being said, Opera has a bunch of very nice features out of the box.
Zooming, mouse gestures, tabs, keyboard shortcuts etc are all second to
none. When you learn to use this browser it feels more like an extension of
your arm than a computer application. I also liked the F12 quick-menu, where
I could turn plugins, java, sound etc on or off with two clicks. Surfing
with plugins disabled also happens to be an effective way of removing the
most noisy and obtrusive ads from web sites.
Firefox is also very nice, but has to be tweaked a lot before it really
shines. Extensions, for instance, are available for most uses, and some of
these are really useful. Not least Adblock, which is probably my single most
important reason for converting from Opera in the first place. Available
surf space in Firefox is larger than with ad-supported Opera. However, I
have not yet found a mouse gesture extension which works quite as well as
with Opera, and after using Firefox for a while I have found that I don't
use gestures nearly as often as I did with Opera.
Also, if it matters to you, Firefox and Mozilla are open source. But this
does not matter to me personally. I can run Opera on any platform I like
(including my phone), which is more important to me than having the source
code available. I know that the term "adware" is a considered swearing to a
lot of people (especially on this ng), but I have to say that Opera must be
one of the finest pieces of adware available.
Bottom line: They are both good. Try them both before making a choice.
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Paul B.
windy said:
I was an opera-tor since version 3.62, and love/hate it. It's an
excellent, innovative (tabs, gestures, etc) program, but it's
high-strung. Cookie management, DOM, scripting, and other things
I can't remember never did work right. But the amount of user
control was extraordinary.
I didn't mind paying the fee to support their work, but finally
the lack of coherent cookie use drove me away. FF also is a pain
to setup - I believe some of the extensions should be voted into
the program's core and let's be done with it. But all around it's
more versatile than opera. And presumably its youth indicates
it's got a good future ahead of it.
p.
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| How would you say that Mozilla is better or worse than Opera.
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for an interesting comparison between opera, firefox and IE .. worth a read.
http://www.scss.com.au/family/andrew/opera/firefox/
yes firefox almost gets there in the end.. once all the plugins are
installed and it becomes double the size :-(
k
| ..............Windy
for an interesting comparison between opera, firefox and IE .. worth a read.
http://www.scss.com.au/family/andrew/opera/firefox/
yes firefox almost gets there in the end.. once all the plugins are
installed and it becomes double the size :-(
k
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B. Otsing
Opera is customisable, ever more so than Mozilla. Nothing obligatory about
these shopping searches.
You can choose what search engine to use for searches just as in Mozilla,
either by manually editing search.ini or by using Opsed:
http://starzaki.eu.org/~hclan/operapl/en/
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Aaron
Written from the POV of a opera fan. Turn it around and get a firefox setup
with specialised extensions and try to tweak Opera to mimick that and Opera
doesnt look so hot suddenly.
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windy
But no one is telling me how Mozilla is better. I want to know the
difference.
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windy
Thank you Andre for your imput. I installed Mozilla and I guess Iwas
turned off of the fact that all my goodies were not there and I had to go
and find them. (which I didn't because I didn't want to work that hard...
lazy is another word). I am very satisfied with my Opera, which I just
upgraded to 8 which is even better. I know it is not totally freeware, but
when you hit F11 you get a full screen without ads... Although I did pay
the 30 bucks.
I will install mozilla again and see about giving it a true test.
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turned off of the fact that all my goodies were not there and I had to go
and find them. (which I didn't because I didn't want to work that hard...
lazy is another word). I am very satisfied with my Opera, which I just
upgraded to 8 which is even better. I know it is not totally freeware, but
when you hit F11 you get a full screen without ads... Although I did pay
the 30 bucks.
I will install mozilla again and see about giving it a true test.
.............Windy
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If you like Opera 8 better than Opera 7, I'd think you'd prefer
Firefox to Mozilla; the Opera team has moved toward a less
cluttered GUI, closer to Firefox than Mozilla.
It will take some doing to get the extensions you will want to make
Firefox do what Opera does. IMO, the extensibility of Firefox is
one of its big advantages over Opera, but the fact that a vanilla
Firefox install gives you a very basic browser will make the
transition from Opera harder. If you post a list of things you wish
you could do with Firefox, after playing with it a while, we can
probably point you to extensions for most of them.
The things I wish Firefox had that Opera does have are the
multi-document interface and the ability easily to switch between
various built-in user stylesheets.
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Bill Day
re-posting a reply I made several months ago- applies to both Mozilla
& Firefox
(The short answer is- I use BOTH Opera and Firefox at different times)
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..I see these threads now & then, and I almost never see Opera
& Firefox compared on what I consider the most important features.
Neither one is perfect, so I use 'em both!
Opera is internally faster....this has nothing to do with time to load
a web page, or even time to load initially. But once running, it
navigates much faster between tabs, and especially going forward and
back between several levels of a web site. I guess this has something
to go with its caching algorithm. Firefox has a noticeable ......delay
that sometimes has me hitting 'back' twice, whereas Opera is as close
to instantaneous as it can be.
The other feature that Opera excels in is the handy one finger
keyboard shortcuts for common moves. For going forward and back in a
web site, it is 'x' and 'z', and for tabbing thru HTML links in a
page, it is 'q' and 'a' ...all right under the left hand. I know that
Firefox has similar shortcuts, but they require either the mouse or
two hands or two keys. (alt left arrow..etc..)
Also, Opera has a really serious trick that I do NOT see a way to do
in Firefox...it can *hide* the tabs you have open, so that you not
only have more window space, but casual observers passing by don't see
the tabs to gaming and porn sites you might have open.. *grin*....and
these invisible tabs are cycled thru by using the '1' & '2' keys,
again, under the left hand .
(Opera also has a "session saver" built in, so that on a crash...or
just because you wish, the sites & tabs you were using are saved,
allowing you to continue from where you were.)
Now, that being said, Firefox, has recently made "session saver"
available in an extension......and of course, by using extensions,
Firefox's open source design has made many, many features available
that Opera does not have. ....such as weather on the toolbar and
clever download tricks...etc. I have maybe 10-12 extensions installed
in Firefox, from a color picker to "image toolbar" to download
controls to enhanced tab & mouse gesture tricks.
If Firefox would allow hiding of tabs, make keyboard shortcuts easier,
and speed up its internal navigation, I would happily use it almost
exclusively....as it is, I use both Opera and Firefox on a daily
basis, with occasional excursions into K-Meleon and Off by One.
Hard drives are BIG now, and I see no problem with having several
browsers...just in case. (oh, yeah....I.E. sits over there in the
corner also...for that twice a year special need.)
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I don't see much delay with Firefox, but you are certainly right about
Opera's being noticeably faster. It looks like Firefox 1.1 will have
that kind of speed.
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