Opera Browser

[Richard Steven Hack]

Opera is not a replacement for IE, but for people that only play on the web, it does
well most of the time.

Like hell.

If you were a MCSE you would not be trolling like this.

BWAHAHAHAH!!!

 

[Richard Steven Hack]

Another thing I forgot, if you use any online banking then check Opera, or
any other browser will work. I tried Mozill 1.6 and it isn't supported by my
bank

Some versions do work with some banks, some don't. My current Opera
7.23 works fine with Wells Fargo Online Banking. However, the idiot
City College of San Francisco secure login does not.

 

[Geoff Lane]

How many people ** really ** understand what is going on, I'm one of
those who know enough to totally baffle myself :-((

Geoff Lane
Welwyn Hatfield Computer Club - Hertfordshire, UK
www.whcc.co.uk - Online facilities for non locals

 

[Geoff Lane]

Seconded. My online banking being one of them. Opera is good but you
still need IE for all those idiot sites.

Which banking site?

I use Egg and smile OK but I had to change an encoding option on
cahoot to get it to display correctly on Opera.

Geoff Lane
Welwyn Hatfield Computer Club - Hertfordshire, UK
www.whcc.co.uk - Online facilities for non locals

 

[Geoff Lane]

Then they won't get my business. You see? It's very simple.

I haven't used IE since the Win 3.1 days. My mutual fund allows for
Mozilla and the other Moz based browsers I've tried. And that's all I
care about. I have no interest in on-line banking.

I'm sure there are many pensioners who were not interested in having
an ordinary bank account until Government policy was to pay all
pensions into a bank account.

One never knows what tomorrow brings ))

Geoff Lane
Welwyn Hatfield Computer Club - Hertfordshire, UK
www.whcc.co.uk - Online facilities for non locals

 

[Geoff Lane]

For all the hype about online banking having security holes. I think they
take security very serious. Every bank that provides online banking has
Internet Explorer as a 'recognised' browser for internet banking.

Going by this, banks would seem to consider IE's security to be 'OK'

Cynical old me thinks their staff often think IE is the only browser
in the world.

Geoff Lane

 

[Geoff Lane]

"They" simply accommodate the most common browser visiting their site.

Slightly off subject I know but I've just had a reply from a
motorcycle accessory distributor who said 'As only approx. 5% of
motorcyclists use an open face helmet, the above standard pack will be
appropriate for 95% of Helmet users'

So, to hell with the rest and I'm in the 5% ))

Geoff Lane
Welwyn Hatfield Computer Club - Hertfordshire, UK
www.whcc.co.uk - Online facilities for non locals

 

[Geoff Lane]

Sure I do use the Opera Browser. But you mean Mail and News,
yes this I'm going to switch too.

Try Pegasus - brilliant.

Geoff Lane
Welwyn Hatfield Computer Club - Hertfordshire, UK
www.whcc.co.uk - Online facilities for non locals

 

[Geoff Lane]

I use to use Opera. then went back to IE. If you intend to use to email News
options in Opera and you've been using Microsoft email/news products; be
ready for a long learning curve.

I was determined to like and use Opera and gave it a good long try, but the
lack of support and availability of third party products for it drove me
back to IE, Outlook ,etc

I think someone has already mentioned it but it needn't be one or the
other, both can work side by side.

There are features of Opera I like and IE as well so I tend to use
whaatever I feel appropriate.

I think Opera definitely scores if you have numerous windows
operating.

Geoff Lane
Welwyn Hatfield Computer Club - Hertfordshire, UK
www.whcc.co.uk - Online facilities for non locals

 

[Geoff Lane]

Another thing I forgot, if you use any online banking then check Opera, or
any other browser will work. I tried Mozill 1.6 and it isn't supported by my
bank

Smile didn't work properly on my pocketpc2003, after speaking with a
few different staff reps one suggested I tried an alternative link to
get it, worked fine.

It was a huge URL and not quite as memorable as www.smile.co.uk

Geoff Lane

 

[Jay Jay]

Go here and run all tests... http://bcheck.scanit.be

Opera fails some of the security tests.. Mozilla or the newly named
Firefox would probably be a better choice...

Hi there!

I went to http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck and ran 'all available tests'.

Running the test with Firefox returns 0 vulnerabilities, but the same is
true for Opera. At first it seems as if Opera has two medium
vulnerabilities, but when you read the accompanying explanations, you'll
see this message:

"Note: Opera browser is not vulnerable to this problem. If you are
running Opera you don't need to patch."

Hence, Opera is as safe as Firefox (me so happy

PS: IE 5.01 with win2k SP2 gives 1 high, 2 medium and 1 low risk
vulnerability. Oops, time to patch... again

 

[Craig A. Finseth]

Yea, I completely agree that everything should be coded to the w3c
standard, but in real life it just doesn't happen. When all browsers
present the same image on screen for the same HTML, then we may start
getting somewhere.

...

If you are really expecting this, then you don't understand the web
and HTML.

HTML is a descriptive language, not a procedural (proscriptive) one.

When you write:

<h1>A Heading</h1>

You are saying that the text "A Heading" represents a heading. For
many browsers, they interpret this to mean that the text will be in a
larger font, possibly bold, and possibly a special font.

But the exact settings for "larger" and "possibly" will differ
depending upon whether it is being rendered for a computer display, a
printed page, a TV image (much lower resolution), a WML browser (cell
phone), being spoken for a blind person, etc.

Craig

 

[Leythos]

...

If you are really expecting this, then you don't understand the web
and HTML.

HTML is a descriptive language, not a procedural (proscriptive) one.

When you write:

<h1>A Heading</h1>

You are saying that the text "A Heading" represents a heading. For
many browsers, they interpret this to mean that the text will be in a
larger font, possibly bold, and possibly a special font.

But the exact settings for "larger" and "possibly" will differ
depending upon whether it is being rendered for a computer display, a
printed page, a TV image (much lower resolution), a WML browser (cell
phone), being spoken for a blind person, etc.

Craig

Craig, I appreciate the lesson, but I clearly understand the
coding/display of HTML and have been doing this for a long time. My
comment was concerning the differences in how HTML (even as per the W3C
standard) is shown in different vendors browsers.

It's not that "I" want the same visual representation on the screen,
it's that customers don't always want to accept that IE and Netscape
show things a tad different (or Opera)....

 

[Leythos]

...

If you are really expecting this, then you don't understand the web
and HTML.

HTML is a descriptive language, not a procedural (proscriptive) one.

When you write:

<h1>A Heading</h1>

You are saying that the text "A Heading" represents a heading. For
many browsers, they interpret this to mean that the text will be in a
larger font, possibly bold, and possibly a special font.

But the exact settings for "larger" and "possibly" will differ
depending upon whether it is being rendered for a computer display, a
printed page, a TV image (much lower resolution), a WML browser (cell
phone), being spoken for a blind person, etc.

Craig

Craig, I appreciate the lesson, but I clearly understand the
coding/display of HTML and have been doing this for a long time. My
comment was concerning the differences in how HTML (even as per the W3C
standard) is shown in different vendors browsers.

It's not that "I" want the same visual representation on the screen,
it's that customers don't always want to accept that IE and Netscape
show things a tad different (or Opera)....

 

[BoB]

Then they won't get my business. You see? It's very simple.

I haven't used IE since the Win 3.1 days. My mutual fund allows for
Mozilla and the other Moz based browsers I've tried. And that's all I
care about. I have no interest in on-line banking.

Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

I can't argue with that, Art.

I learned to live without using Real products or Quicktime too.
If a site requires IE and won't work using Firebird, then it is
their problem, not mine.

BoB

 

[null]

I can't argue with that, Art.

I learned to live without using Real products or Quicktime too.
If a site requires IE and won't work using Firebird, then it is
their problem, not mine.

Another one to dump is M$'s Windows Media Player. Now that you mention
it, a list of security flawed apps and much better alternatives would
be a good "safe hex" topic. Especially since there are excellent
freeware alternatives. Also, IMO, any antivirus product requiring IE
should also be on the "unsafe hex" list along with those antivirus
scan web sites requiring IE and low security settings.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[David Qunt]

Richard Steven Hack <[email protected]> squirted these
wordjisms deep inside the bumtube of the newstwat in

Some versions do work with some banks, some don't. My current Opera
7.23 works fine with Wells Fargo Online Banking. However, the idiot
City College of San Francisco secure login does not.

That's not the fault of the browser. The blame for that lies squarely at
the door of the web programmer that doesn't make sure his code renders in
other browsers.

 

[Bart Bailey]

Also, IMO, any antivirus product requiring IE
should also be on the "unsafe hex" list along with those antivirus
scan web sites requiring IE and low security settings.

Or those "security" sites that require javascript in order to tell you
that you're vulnerable.

 

[null]

Or those "security" sites that require javascript in order to tell you
that you're vulnerable.

They're a joke


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[data64]

What people, and designers (even MCSE's) have to learn is that there is
no "one best" solution for every installation. Sometimes it's related to
ROI, sometimes it's related to comfort, sometimes it's related to
marketing hype. In a few cases, a OS and platform as selected based on
the actual customer needs an impact on the customer.

Well said.

data64