Open Office.....What say Ye ?

W

weezer

After reading many good reviews about *Open Office* < especially from
Fred Langa > I've decided to give it a try. I have DL'd the latest
XP Ver....Haven't installed it yet.
Anyone care to share their pros and cons experiences w/ Open Office ?
I have, also, DL'd the *free* ver of 602PC SUITE, which seems to be a
limited ver. but has all the programs I need...I think ?
TIA

/weezer
 
B

Ben Cooper

weezer said:
After reading many good reviews about *Open Office* < especially from
Fred Langa > I've decided to give it a try. I have DL'd the latest
XP Ver....Haven't installed it yet.
Anyone care to share their pros and cons experiences w/ Open Office ?
I have, also, DL'd the *free* ver of 602PC SUITE, which seems to be a
limited ver. but has all the programs I need...I think ?

Stick to Notepad, you're not smart enough to use Open Office or 602.
 
W

weezer

Stick to Notepad, you're not smart enough to use Open Office or 602.

Yeah, well, I'm not dumb enough to use Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1409 like you do.
/weezer
 
B

Bob Adkins

After reading many good reviews about *Open Office* < especially from
Fred Langa > I've decided to give it a try. I have DL'd the latest
XP Ver....Haven't installed it yet.
Anyone care to share their pros and cons experiences w/ Open Office ?
I have, also, DL'd the *free* ver of 602PC SUITE, which seems to be a
limited ver. but has all the programs I need...I think ?

It can be a little bit dodgy at saving in MS Office format; I have seen a
couple of instances where Excel could not read the OOo SS files correctly.
Other than that, OOo is very usable.

It isn't nearly as polished as MS Office, but overall it is very capable and
reliable.

Bob

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B

Bob Adkins

Yeah, well, I'm not dumb enough to use Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1409 like you do.
/weezer

Oh oh.

Cough cough...

Bob

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D

Daniel Solomon

After reading many good reviews about *Open Office* < especially from
Fred Langa > I've decided to give it a try. I have DL'd the latest
XP Ver....Haven't installed it yet.
Anyone care to share their pros and cons experiences w/ Open Office ?
I have, also, DL'd the *free* ver of 602PC SUITE, which seems to be a
limited ver. but has all the programs I need...I think ?
TIA

How important is Microsoft compatibility? If you are planning on using it
to modify Microsoft Word documents, then I wouldn't even bother. I tried
loading in several fairly simple Word documents into OO, and almost every
single one of them had one or more issues.
 
C

cactus

It's a bit different from M$ Office and the differences can be bothersome.

I've never had trouble importing. My biggest quibble is that the
spreadsheet lacks one feature I use all the time, specifically the "text to
columns" feature. If there were a substitute parser, I would seriously
consider switching.
 
M

MightyKitten

weezer said:
After reading many good reviews about *Open Office* < especially from
Fred Langa > I've decided to give it a try. I have DL'd the latest
XP Ver....Haven't installed it yet.
Anyone care to share their pros and cons experiences w/ Open Office ?
I have, also, DL'd the *free* ver of 602PC SUITE, which seems to be a
limited ver. but has all the programs I need...I think ?
TIA

/weezer

Well the pro's are:
1) it's free (with out doubt the biggest pro) so are the dicionairies.
2) It can create PDF files without additional software installed (and
without ads)
3) Cross platform (can be usefull)

The con's however:
1) though they have tried to be as much MSOffice compatible, there are still
some flaws. Therfore it is not that interesting if you're planning for cross
company use, since most other companies rely compleetly on Microsoft Office
compatability
2) it is a slow starter. If you thought office was slow to start, Open
office is abour 30% slower to start. Once loaded, ther is not too much
difference in speed
3) it lacks a real database interface. It does have a database engine, but
it comes not even close to MS Access (to be honest, untill now there isn't a
real freeware MS Access replacement)
4) The macros language is javascript (it is somewhat harder to master as the
Visual Basic script LANGUAGE in MS Office)


In Recap:
Open Office is without doubt the closest there is to the MS-Office solution
there is.
If you don't use macro's and have no need for a database solution (or use an
other application like windbf
<http://www.buchenwald.de/software/windbf-e.html>), Open Office will just
work for you.


MigthyKitten
 
F

Frank Hahn

Well the pro's are:
1) it's free (with out doubt the biggest pro) so are the dicionairies.
2) It can create PDF files without additional software installed (and
without ads)
3) Cross platform (can be usefull)

The con's however:
1) though they have tried to be as much MSOffice compatible, there are
still some flaws. Therfore it is not that interesting if you're
planning for cross company use, since most other companies rely
compleetly on Microsoft Office compatability
One thing to keep in mind in that MS Office is a closed format. To me
this means there will almost always be incompatabilities. If this is a
problem, then you buy the expensive MS Office.

I have transferred a few simple documents back and forth between school
(which had MS Office installed) and home (OpenOffice) and had a few
problems, but nothing insurmountable. Since I saved myself several
hundred dollars, I could live with it. ;)

2) it is a slow starter. If you thought office was slow to start, Open
office is abour 30% slower to start. Once loaded, ther is not too much
difference in speed
This will vary greatly depending on each persons computer. I can start a
new OpenOffice word document from scratch in less than 2 seconds. I
don't have the OpenOffice Quickstarter running either. I have a system
with 512MB of memory and an AMD 1.4 GHZ processor.

Something else to keep in mind in that I believe MS Office preloads a
bunch of its programs or libraries into memory on startup of the system.
I don't know if this can be turned off like the Quickstarter in
OpenOffice can or not.

My wife has a work laptop with MS Office 2000 I believe and it takes
between 2-3 seconds to get a new word document displayed
3) it lacks a real database interface. It does have a database engine,
but it comes not even close to MS Access (to be honest, untill now
there isn't a real freeware MS Access replacement)
In my opinion, I don't believe there will be a MS Access clone built into
OpenOffice. The OpenOffice software has some dBase support built in.
For information on creating a flatfile database with a form, this is
agreat web site for those who have not seen it:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/garryknight/linux/oodbase.html

The OpenOffice software can be used as a front end to other databases. I
have used it to connect to both MySQL and PostgreSQL. I have also used
it to connect to a database created by MS Access.
4) The macros language is javascript (it is somewhat harder to master
as the Visual Basic script LANGUAGE in MS Office)
I am not sure about OpenOffice using javascript as its macro language.
From within the OpenOffice help system, it talks about OpenOffice.org
Basic and there is a section titled "Programming with OpenOffice.org
Basic".
In Recap:
Open Office is without doubt the closest there is to the MS-Office
solution there is.
If you don't use macro's and have no need for a database solution (or
use an other application like windbf
<http://www.buchenwald.de/software/windbf-e.html>), Open Office will
just work for you.
Something else to add is that there are no time limits, ads, crippled
modules, etc. It is a large program to download, especically over the
phone lines, but there are ways around this for only a few dollars.

For those that want a boxed application, there is the Sun branded product
which I have seen for sale that includes some extra stuff.

For me, OpenOffice is a great program. I have very simple needs though.
I mainly include just tables and graphics in my documents. Not much
else.

I have only ever had one document go bad on me. I had one native
document that OpenOffice would not open. I tried many times and it would
not work. I finally rebooted my system, tried again, and it worked.
This was on a Windows system.

I use the Text program probably 55-60% of the time. I use the
Spreadsheet about 30% of the time. The rest I use in the Drawing
program, which I am liking more and more. The only time I have used the
Presentation module is to view Power Point presentations. I have not
created any presentations from scratch
 
M

MightyKitten

Frank said:
One thing to keep in mind in that MS Office is a closed format. To me
this means there will almost always be incompatabilities. If this is
a problem, then you buy the expensive MS Office.

I have transferred a few simple documents back and forth between
school (which had MS Office installed) and home (OpenOffice) and had
a few problems, but nothing insurmountable. Since I saved myself
several hundred dollars, I could live with it. ;)

True, if that is your only concern, MS-office is way to expensive and
bloated for this kind of job, and open office handels it just perfect. My
custommers, however, heavly depend on compatibility with other businesses.
Epsecialy on spreadsheats and word documents. A lost document can mean the
cancellation of an order. This is indeed a reasen to still choose for MS
Office
This will vary greatly depending on each persons computer. I can
start a new OpenOffice word document from scratch in less than 2
seconds. I don't have the OpenOffice Quickstarter running either. I
have a system with 512MB of memory and an AMD 1.4 GHZ processor.

Something else to keep in mind in that I believe MS Office preloads a
bunch of its programs or libraries into memory on startup of the
system. I don't know if this can be turned off like the Quickstarter
in OpenOffice can or not.

My wife has a work laptop with MS Office 2000 I believe and it takes
between 2-3 seconds to get a new word document displayed

True too, but only about 60% of computer I encounter are above the 1 GHz
mark. Sad but true, and even then, with 64 MB ram, everything runs slow
now-a-days. Open Office on a 800Mhz 64 MB machine is defnitly slower as
office 97 or 2000 on te same computer.

In my opinion, I don't believe there will be a MS Access clone built
into OpenOffice. The OpenOffice software has some dBase support
built in. For information on creating a flatfile database with a
form, this is agreat web site for those who have not seen it:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/garryknight/linux/oodbase.html

The OpenOffice software can be used as a front end to other
databases. I have used it to connect to both MySQL and PostgreSQL.
I have also used it to connect to a database created by MS Access.

On this subject we realy differ.
I wouldn't even consider it a database engine, even less a fully featured
database.
Like lotus notes, I only would use it at gun point, and I even might ask for
a time out to consider it.

I am not sure about OpenOffice using javascript as its macro language.
From within the OpenOffice help system, it talks about OpenOffice.org
Basic and there is a section titled "Programming with OpenOffice.org
Basic".

Well I recorded a simple macro, and it looked more like Javascript (IMHO)
than a Basic.
It just might be a specialised version of Javascript or so.
Something else to add is that there are no time limits, ads, crippled
modules, etc. It is a large program to download, especically over the
phone lines, but there are ways around this for only a few dollars.

but so is microsoft (if you BUY the version at least) as for the downloads:
It compensates routhgly with the service packs of Microsoft's Office

For those that want a boxed application, there is the Sun branded
product which I have seen for sale that includes some extra stuff.

For me, OpenOffice is a great program. I have very simple needs
though. I mainly include just tables and graphics in my documents.
Not much else.

Well it is the best freeware (also if you incluse any shareware) there is
arround.
Still I find Billyboy's software slightly better. (It only hurts a lot to
admit it...)
I have only ever had one document go bad on me. I had one native
document that OpenOffice would not open. I tried many times and it
would not work. I finally rebooted my system, tried again, and it
worked. This was on a Windows system.

I never had problems with any native created file neither under MS Office
nor under OpenOffice. But with the wordtperfect suite... oh well, that is a
compleete different story.
I use the Text program probably 55-60% of the time. I use the
Spreadsheet about 30% of the time. The rest I use in the Drawing
program, which I am liking more and more. The only time I have used
the Presentation module is to view Power Point presentations. I have
not created any presentations from scratch

I use streadsheets and tekst wiles about equally, but I also have a huge
call for databases.
Fot me, the OpenOfice methode for databases is just to crude to get any real
work done. I have little need for presentation software, Drawings of my
costumers networks I do In dia. and photo editing mainly in Photofiltre (Who
would have guessed it?) and paintshop pro 4.15 (last freeware).



MightyKitten
 
B

Ben Cooper

weezer said:
Yeah, well, I'm not dumb enough to use Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1409 like you do.
/weezer

Oh, brother! That's the best you got? Ugh, never mind.
Just stick with Open Office.
 
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23mike

weezer said:
from >> Fred Langa > I've decided to give it a try. I have DL'd the
latest >> XP Ver....Haven't installed it yet.
Office ? >> I have, also, DL'd the free ver of 602PC SUITE, which
seems to be a >> limited ver. but has all the programs I need...I
think ?

Yeah, well, I'm not dumb enough to use Microsoft Outlook Express
6.00.2800.1409 like you do.
/weezer


Now, now
It's obvious that Ben is smarter than a circus dog...<sigh>
Wonder if he's smart enough to keep Outhouse patched ?
 
S

Sascha Wostmann

Bob Adkins :
It can be a little bit dodgy at saving in MS Office format; I have seen a
couple of instances where Excel could not read the OOo SS files correctly.
Other than that, OOo is very usable.

did you ever try to exchange MS Powerpoint files with the OO pendant?
Maybe with several hops? That was one reason to wait until version 3
or more.
It isn't nearly as polished as MS Office, but overall it is very capable and
reliable.

And it lacks two huge MSOffice Features that I (have to) use daily:

- MS Access
- VBA

I have a set of programmed spreadsheets with interfaces to different
systems, some Access databases with programmed "remote control" of
Word and Excel files etc. Unless OO features a similar programming
tool like VBA, it is nothing for me.

For the occasional letter or a little spreadsheet it's allright,
though.


Viele Grüße,
Sascha
 
J

Jeroen

How important is Microsoft compatibility? If you are planning on using
it
to modify Microsoft Word documents, then I wouldn't even bother. I tried
loading in several fairly simple Word documents into OO, and almost every
single one of them had one or more issues.


And I have tried to load a Office 2003 document in office XP, all cripled.
Buying MS office does not guarentee you to have flawless compatibility
between different Office versions.

greetings,
Jeroen
 
F

Fran

If you are looking for a text import, that option is under data>import csv
file or something like that. Not where you would expecti it to be, anywy,
but it's there.

cactus said:
It's a bit different from M$ Office and the differences can be bothersome.

I've never had trouble importing. My biggest quibble is that the
spreadsheet lacks one feature I use all the time, specifically the "text to
columns" feature. If there were a substitute parser, I would seriously
consider switching.
 
F

Frank Hahn

Frank Hahn wrote:
[snipped]
In my opinion, I don't believe there will be a MS Access clone built
into OpenOffice. The OpenOffice software has some dBase support
built in. For information on creating a flatfile database with a
form, this is agreat web site for those who have not seen it:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/garryknight/linux/oodbase.html

The OpenOffice software can be used as a front end to other
databases. I have used it to connect to both MySQL and PostgreSQL.
I have also used it to connect to a database created by MS Access.

On this subject we realy differ.
I wouldn't even consider it a database engine, even less a fully
featured database.
Like lotus notes, I only would use it at gun point, and I even might
ask for a time out to consider it.
I don't really consider it a database engine either, but it does create
and read dBase files. I have never used dBase so I am not really that
familiar with it.

I do like the ability to interface to other databases. I think there
will probably be additional database features in the future, I just don't
think it will be a MS Access clone.

Personally, I would like to see just some simple reporting capability to
go along with a flat file database like that in MS Works, but I am sure
many others will disagree. ;)

but so is microsoft (if you BUY the version at least) as for the
downloads: It compensates routhgly with the service packs of
Microsoft's Office
Here I was not as clear. I was mainly referring to the other
free/shareware office suites (on MS Windows) that I have seen. I believe
there is as office suite for the KDE desktop but have not looked at it.
There may be others.

I use streadsheets and tekst wiles about equally, but I also have a
huge call for databases.
Fot me, the OpenOfice methode for databases is just to crude to get
any real work done. I have little need for presentation software,
Drawings of my costumers networks I do In dia. and photo editing
mainly in Photofiltre (Who would have guessed it?) and paintshop pro
4.15 (last freeware).
I used MS Visio last semester in a class and it was not to bad. I tried
several shareware/freeware solutions, but once I found some flowchart
symbols for Draw in OpenOffice, I started using that. I would then
create a PDF file from the drawing and turn that in to be graded.

It would be nice if OpenOffice Draw would open MS Visio files but that
may not be a high priority feature.
 
B

Ben Cooper

23mike said:
Now, now
It's obvious that Ben is smarter than a circus dog...<sigh>
Wonder if he's smart enough to keep Outhouse patched ?

Patches? I don't need no stinkin' patches!
:)
 
B

Bob Adkins

Oh, brother! That's the best you got? Ugh, never mind.
Just stick with Open Office.

I'm impressed by your restraint. I was expecting you to cut loose with both
barrels. :D

Bob

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W

weezer

Thanx to all who have taken the time to share their thoughts w/
constructive replies. It is much appreciated !


/weezer
 

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