Old XP Indexing vs New Vista Search

[bvandew]

In the new Vista search implementation, what is the significance of the
"Index this drive for faster searching" checkbox on the drive Properties
dialog? This checkbox has been there since XP or before. Does this have any
bearing on Vista search?

--Bruce

 

[Dustin Harper]

Yes, Vista uses the indexing service for the search functions. It
actually works very well. I have my MP3 folder indexed and it makes
finding my music very easy!

It does hit the HD pretty hard when it does it's initial indexing, though.

Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

 

[mikeyhsd]

yeah and it seems like it re-indexes every time you delete something.



(e-mail address removed)



Yes, Vista uses the indexing service for the search functions. It
actually works very well. I have my MP3 folder indexed and it makes
finding my music very easy!

It does hit the HD pretty hard when it does it's initial indexing, though.

Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

 

[Dave Wood [MS]]

Yes, if you uncheck the "Index this drive for faster searching" or "Index
this folder for faster searching" then it will affect whether Vista indexing
happens on this folder. However, there's also another mechanism via the
Indexing Options Control Panel -> Modify ... to control which parts of the
drive are indexed. I'd recommend using the Indexing Options Control Panel to
control what is indexed.

Reindexing shouldn't be happening when something gets deleted. We do have to
do some work to remove the data about the deleted item out of the index of
course. But we use a whole variety of "back-off" techniques to minimize the
work we do while the user is actively using the computer - tell me more if
you are seeing something that looks problematic here ...

Dave Wood
Developer, Windows Find & Organize


yeah and it seems like it re-indexes every time you delete something.


(e-mail address removed)

Yes, Vista uses the indexing service for the search functions. It
actually works very well. I have my MP3 folder indexed and it makes
finding my music very easy!

It does hit the HD pretty hard when it does it's initial indexing, though.

Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

 

[Guest]

Yes, if you uncheck the "Index this drive for faster searching" or "Index
this folder for faster searching" then it will affect whether Vista indexing
happens on this folder. However, there's also another mechanism via the
Indexing Options Control Panel -> Modify ... to control which parts of the
drive are indexed. I'd recommend using the Indexing Options Control Panel to
control what is indexed.

Reindexing shouldn't be happening when something gets deleted. We do have to
do some work to remove the data about the deleted item out of the index of
course. But we use a whole variety of "back-off" techniques to minimize the
work we do while the user is actively using the computer - tell me more if
you are seeing something that looks problematic here ...

Dave Wood
Developer, Windows Find & Organize


yeah and it seems like it re-indexes every time you delete something.


(e-mail address removed)

Yes, Vista uses the indexing service for the search functions. It
actually works very well. I have my MP3 folder indexed and it makes
finding my music very easy!

It does hit the HD pretty hard when it does it's initial indexing, though.

Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

I need to turn off indexing. its killing my drive and my system is hanging.
How do I do it.

 

[Dustin Harper]

You can go to the properties of the C: drive and uncheck the option to
"index this drive for faster searching". Or in the control panel under
indexing, you can turn it off.

Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

 

[mikeyhsd]

only thing I notice REALLY notice, is a folder with 80 or so movies, mix of avi, wmv and mpg.
every time I delete, add one to the folder, it APPEARS to re-index the folder.



(e-mail address removed)



Yes, if you uncheck the "Index this drive for faster searching" or "Index
this folder for faster searching" then it will affect whether Vista indexing
happens on this folder. However, there's also another mechanism via the
Indexing Options Control Panel -> Modify ... to control which parts of the
drive are indexed. I'd recommend using the Indexing Options Control Panel to
control what is indexed.

Reindexing shouldn't be happening when something gets deleted. We do have to
do some work to remove the data about the deleted item out of the index of
course. But we use a whole variety of "back-off" techniques to minimize the
work we do while the user is actively using the computer - tell me more if
you are seeing something that looks problematic here ...

Dave Wood
Developer, Windows Find & Organize


yeah and it seems like it re-indexes every time you delete something.


(e-mail address removed)

Yes, Vista uses the indexing service for the search functions. It
actually works very well. I have my MP3 folder indexed and it makes
finding my music very easy!

It does hit the HD pretty hard when it does it's initial indexing, though.

Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

 

[Guest]

Hi Dave, a question for you, I'm trying to find certain files containing a
specific text. Those files are on a network drive and therefore can't be
indexed.
Well I've been trying for 2 days now with no success. I even copied the
files accross to my computer thinking that it would make a difference if they
were indexed and still no luck.

How can I search for files containing a specific text? Do I need to take the
indexing off?

This is quite frustrating

 

[Guest]

If you are still on about ASP files they are searched by the html filter
which only takes content (what you can see if you view it in a web browser)
so you wont find a com error number in signed decimal unless it's in the
content. You can change the filter in Control Panel - Indexing Options -
File Types. The text filter does ANSI/Unicode depending if there is a
unicode header.

There are setting to search content or not in the Control Panel - Folder
Options - Search.

Have you thought about the impact on the network to transfer all the data to
your computer to have the contents to be parsed.

 

[Guest]

If you are still on about ASP files

Yes I'm still stuck with this

they are searched by the html filter which only takes content (what > > you can see if you view it in a web browser)
so you wont find a com error number in signed decimal unless it's in > the content. You can change the filter in Control Panel - Indexing
Options - File Types. The text filter does ANSI/Unicode depending if > there is a unicode header.

I found the HTML filter and I think understand how it works. What I am not
able to do tho is to change that filter to plain text.
There doesn't seem to be a button, there is no right click on it, all I can
do is tick or untick the file type.
So I'm still stuck but I feel like I'm getting closer, thanks

There are setting to search content or not in the Control Panel -
Folder Options - Search.

Yep, seen that one.

Have you thought about the impact on the network to transfer all the data to
your computer to have the contents to be parsed.

I only took a sample to do a test.

 

[Ilia Sacson [MS]]

Dear Jonathan,
To associate .asp files with text IFilter, open regedit, go to
HKCU\.asp\PersistentHandler, and change the value from
{eec97550-47a9-11cf-b952-00aa0051fe20} to
{5e941d80-bf96-11cd-b579-08002b30bfeb}.
Best regards,
Ilia

 

[Guest]

Thank you Very very very much, I'm relieved. As a Feedback I'd say "WHY WAS
IT SO HARD!"

And correct me if I'm wrong but you meant HKCR\.asp
Anyway thanks again very much.

 

[Ilia Sacson [MS]]

Point taken...

Thank you Very very very much, I'm relieved. As a Feedback I'd say "WHY
WAS
IT SO HARD!"

And correct me if I'm wrong but you meant HKCR\.asp
Anyway thanks again very much.

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

He may have suggested HKCU rather than HKLM, so that impact of a bad
edit might be limited to the one user account (HKCR has been an
overlay of HKCU + HKLM since XP).

But if so, the registry path would have been a bit longer (from
memory, "Software\Classes") so you're prolly right.

On "why so hard?", I have to say I REALLY miss the proper file types
UI that allowed one to add arbitrary non-default actions to rt-click
menu for file types - one of the best features of Win95 and later.

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:04:02 -0700, Jonathan

And correct me if I'm wrong but you meant HKCR\.asp
Anyway thanks again very much.

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Error Messages Are Your Friends

 

[Ilia Sacson [MS]]

I meant HKCR, thank you for correcting me. It might be possible to change
IFilter per user, although I haven't tried it, but I would not recommend
doing so. The files get reindexed every time they are changed. It would be
confusing if a file would be indexed differently depending on who touched it
last.

As for that options dialog, you can try posting here:
http://shellrevealed.com/forums/default.aspx

Thanks,
Ilia

 

[Guest]

Unfortunately, that didn't solve everything, I did lots more file but not all
are coming...
I had to find a function wrote by another programmer that doesn't work here
any more, the function display a text box saying, "nothing selected to
delete"
Searching the entire web folder returned one file and the text wasn't in it.
I tried with XP and I got 5 files, and one of them was the one I was looking
for.

I'm going to use a seperate program for my searches now. I don't know if I
can trust the vista search any more.

I meant HKCR, thank you for correcting me. It might be possible to change
IFilter per user, although I haven't tried it, but I would not recommend
doing so. The files get reindexed every time they are changed. It would be
confusing if a file would be indexed differently depending on who touched it
last.

As for that options dialog, you can try posting here:
http://shellrevealed.com/forums/default.aspx

Thanks,
Ilia

He may have suggested HKCU rather than HKLM, so that impact of a bad
edit might be limited to the one user account (HKCR has been an
overlay of HKCU + HKLM since XP).

But if so, the registry path would have been a bit longer (from
memory, "Software\Classes") so you're prolly right.

On "why so hard?", I have to say I REALLY miss the proper file types
UI that allowed one to add arbitrary non-default actions to rt-click
menu for file types - one of the best features of Win95 and later.

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:04:02 -0700, Jonathan

And correct me if I'm wrong but you meant HKCR\.asp
Anyway thanks again very much.

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote:

To associate .asp files with text IFilter, open regedit, go to
HKCU\.asp\PersistentHandler, and change the value from
{eec97550-47a9-11cf-b952-00aa0051fe20} to
{5e941d80-bf96-11cd-b579-08002b30bfeb}.

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Error Messages Are Your Friends

--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:34:47 -0700, "Ilia Sacson [MS]"

It might be possible to change IFilter per user, although I haven't tried it,
but I would not recommend doing so. The files get reindexed every time
they are changed. It would be confusing if a file would be indexed
differently depending on who touched it last.

Yep... un-nicely grey. Sounds like something to test; I can see nasty
collisions when the complexity of Classes hits HKCU vs. HKLM,
especially for things generally assumed to be system-wide.

It would also be safer to suppress non-standard associations within
Safe Mode, if that is to have a role in malware management FWIW.

As for that options dialog, you can try posting here:
http://shellrevealed.com/forums/default.aspx

Ah, so many forums, so little time ;-)

This looks like a good one; is it a good place to raise shell bugs?

For example, I was copying a large subtree in Vista32 Home Basic RTM,
and I started getting "replace?" prompts. Now in theory, one should
never see these if copying a subtree to an empty location, except
sometimes the new location will auto-populate with Desktop.ini files.

In this case, after the "progress" hit "the end", a whole lot of extra
copying was going on, and the byte/file count of the destination was
around double that of the source. Hmm.

While all this was going on, there was a "do you want to back up?" nag
underfoot (i.e. in the SysTray notification area). I was wondering
whether there were a whole bunch of shadow copies bounced around?