Old question about NTFS

[Menno Hershberger]

I asked this several months ago, but never came up with a solution. At our
phone company we have two computers running XP. I want to be able to copy
files back and forth between the two. ANY files. I keep getting access
denied errors in over half the folders. I can't even copy a hosts file
unless I put it in a shared folder first and then go to the other machine
and move it. File sharing is turned on as far as I know how. Someone
suggested something once about turning off simple file sharing, but I've
tried it both ways to no avail. At home I have two XP machines, both
formatted in FAT 32, and I have no problems whatsoever doing whatever I
want with either machine FROM the other machine.
We're a small company. There's only a manager and a secretary, besides
myself. I maintain the computers. We all trust each other. We want those
machines set WIDE OPEN. How do we accomplish this?

 

[Guest]

If all you did was turn simple file sharing off, I don't
think that would have any effect at all. However, after
you've turned it off, you can then give all sorts of
permissions to files that are as complex vs. simple, wide-
open vs. closed as you like. (Right click on the
file/folder -> properties -> Security tab.)

 

[Malke]

If all you did was turn simple file sharing off, I don't
think that would have any effect at all. However, after
you've turned it off, you can then give all sorts of
permissions to files that are as complex vs. simple, wide-
open vs. closed as you like. (Right click on the
file/folder -> properties -> Security tab.)

This doesn't have anything to do with the file system. You constantly
transfer data from foreign file systems when you download files from
the Internet. Not all those servers are running Microsoft operating
systems! On my network, I have no problems transferring files between
machines running Win95 (FAT16), Win98SE (FAT32), Win2K-XP (NTFS), and
Linux (Reiser).

Here are links to help you set up your network:

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/filesharing.htm (Home)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm
(Pro)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/support/troubleshoot_index.htm
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/howto/
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/
http://www.wown.info/

Malke

 

[Guest]

-----Original Message-----

This doesn't have anything to do with the file system.
You constantly transfer data from foreign file systems
when you download files from the Internet.

Keyword: "from". I believe he wants to also go TO.

There's a difference between downloading from the
Internet and shifting files around Windows shares. (And
you can't necessarily download a file over your hosts
file either depending on your file system settings.)

 

[Guest]

-----Original Message-----
You constantly transfer data from foreign file systems
when you download files from the Internet. Not all those
servers are running Microsoft operating
systems!

Regardless of OS, the user who puts the files in a
position to be downloaded needs to make sure they are
readable by the server process. On a Windows server, you
would do what I mentioned before. On a *nix server, the
quick way is chmod o+r

Otherwise the file system can and will prevent access.

If you're not the administrator of the server, this may
have been taken care of for you (umask, inherited access
etc.) so you just never saw the need.

 

[Malke]

Regardless of OS, the user who puts the files in a
position to be downloaded needs to make sure they are
readable by the server process. On a Windows server, you
would do what I mentioned before. On a *nix server, the
quick way is chmod o+r

Otherwise the file system can and will prevent access.

If you're not the administrator of the server, this may
have been taken care of for you (umask, inherited access
etc.) so you just never saw the need.

The point was that the OP would have no problem transferring files - to
and from - his computers even if one was formatted NTFS and one was
formatted FAT32. Just as I don't. The discussion wasn't about setting
up servers. He wanted to know why his home network (FAT32) worked and
the office network (NTFS) didn't. I told him that his difficulties in
setting up the peer-to-peer office network (2 computers) were not
because of NTFS. It's because he hasn't got his network set up right.

Malke

 

[Menno Hershberger]

The point was that the OP would have no problem transferring files - to
and from - his computers even if one was formatted NTFS and one was
formatted FAT32. Just as I don't. The discussion wasn't about setting
up servers. He wanted to know why his home network (FAT32) worked and
the office network (NTFS) didn't. I told him that his difficulties in
setting up the peer-to-peer office network (2 computers) were not
because of NTFS. It's because he hasn't got his network set up right.

OK, I'm going to check the links out your posted and see if I can figure
out something. At present I have those computers set up just like I do my
XP ones at home. Before, I was told the difference was the added
security of the NTFS file system. But no one every actually told me it
*couldn't* be done.

 

[Guest]

-----Original Message-----
It's because he hasn't got his network set up right.

Or it's because the NTFS permissions are wrong - just
like he said.

 

[Guest]

-----Original Message-----
The discussion wasn't about setting up servers.

That was in response to your comments about downloading
from the Internet. Those thingies out there on the net
are usually called "servers" ;-)

 

[Malke]

That was in response to your comments about downloading
from the Internet. Those thingies out there on the net
are usually called "servers" ;-)

Yes, I know that. Thanks. I'll be sure to put that in my notes. ;-)

Malke

 

[Alex Nichol]

OK, I'm going to check the links out your posted and see if I can figure
out something. At present I have those computers set up just like I do my
XP ones at home. Before, I was told the difference was the added
security of the NTFS file system. But no one every actually told me it
*couldn't* be done.

A Primary point is to ensure that the systems are either all using Pro
or (more likely) set up in a 'Workgroup' net. And the Workgroup name
the same on all, with different computer names. Then the user account
you are using to do the transfers must exist on each, and with the same
password.