Ok, Last time: Norton Or AVG Free?

[Pedro Sanchez]

I've tried NOD32, Kaspersky. I am now using norton.
I wanted to know, generally speaking, if I could use AVG Free and be
just as safe as I am with Norton?

I am wanting something that loads really fast and doesn't use tons of
resources/cpu time like Norton seems to do. Is AVG Free an option?

thanks, sorry to be sorta repeating myself but It's important to me.

AVG Free or Stay with Norton?

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Last time? Nah. Someone else will ask the same question tomorrow.

I've tried NOD32, Kaspersky. I am now using norton.

What happened to your CPU cycles?

I wanted to know, generally speaking, if I could use AVG Free and be
just as safe as I am with Norton?

Actually, you are safest if you practice Safe Hex. An anti-virus program
is only a supplement to this.

http://k75s.home.att.net/tips.html

I am wanting something that loads really fast and doesn't use tons of
resources/cpu time like Norton seems to do. Is AVG Free an option?

Oh. The answer to CPU cycles ... ;-) AVG Free is ok, as are others.
Except maybe McAfee, which is just as intense as Norton.

thanks, sorry to be sorta repeating myself but It's important to me.

AVG Free or Stay with Norton?

Note that Add/Remove Programs does not completely remove Norton. See:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic42247.html

 

[mad NAT'er]

Given these two choices... AVG would be my whole-hearted recommendation.

 

[edgewalker]

I've tried NOD32, Kaspersky. I am now using norton.
I wanted to know, generally speaking, if I could use AVG Free and be
just as safe as I am with Norton?

No. Almost as safe, and happier with? Yes.

I am wanting something that loads really fast and doesn't use tons of
resources/cpu time like Norton seems to do. Is AVG Free an option?

Yes.

 

[Pedro Sanchez]

Note that Add/Remove Programs does not completely remove Norton. See:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic42247.html

Do I run that program before I use remove tool from control panel, or
use it _before_ removing norton with add/remove in control panel???

thanks

 

[Virus Guy]

I am wanting something that loads really fast and doesn't use
tons of resources/cpu time like Norton seems to do.

Do yourself a favor and try to find a copy of Norton Anti-Virus (NAV)
versions 2001 or 2002 (known as NAV 2001 or NAV 2002). They came on
their own CD, and were also part of Norton System Works (NSW) known as
NSW 2001 and NSW 2002.

Don't let the age of the software fool you. Those versions of NAV,
once installed, will update themselves to use Symantec's most recent
virus def'n files and scan engines. Those version of NAV are VERY
LIGHT ON RESOURCES compared to versions 2003, 2004, 2005, etc.

Many people reading these groups can't really give you an idea as to
how NAV 2001/2002 compare resource-wise to other AV software because
they simply have never used them or don't run those versions of NAV
any more. I do, and I can tell you they load fast and use very little
of the computer's resources.

Once you install NAV 2001 or 2002, you will have 1 year's worth of
free updates. Once the year is over, you can simply un-install the
program, delete a few program directories, and re-install it and get
another year's worth of updates.

 

[What's in a Name?]

Pedro Sanchez AKA (e-mail address removed) in alt.comp.anti-virus on
6/14/2006 after much thought,came up with this gem:

I've tried NOD32, Kaspersky. I am now using norton.
I wanted to know, generally speaking, if I could use AVG Free and be
just as safe as I am with Norton?

I am wanting something that loads really fast and doesn't use tons of
resources/cpu time like Norton seems to do. Is AVG Free an option?

thanks, sorry to be sorta repeating myself but It's important to me.

AVG Free or Stay with Norton?

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[Pedro Sanchez]

Do yourself a favor and try to find a copy of Norton Anti-Virus (NAV)
versions 2001 or 2002 (known as NAV 2001 or NAV 2002). They came on
their own CD, and were also part of Norton System Works (NSW) known as
NSW 2001 and NSW 2002.

Don't let the age of the software fool you. Those versions of NAV,
once installed, will update themselves to use Symantec's most recent
virus def'n files and scan engines. Those version of NAV are VERY
LIGHT ON RESOURCES compared to versions 2003, 2004, 2005, etc.

Many people reading these groups can't really give you an idea as to
how NAV 2001/2002 compare resource-wise to other AV software because
they simply have never used them or don't run those versions of NAV
any more. I do, and I can tell you they load fast and use very little
of the computer's resources.

Once you install NAV 2001 or 2002, you will have 1 year's worth of
free updates. Once the year is over, you can simply un-install the
program, delete a few program directories, and re-install it and get
another year's worth of updates.

I *think* I have NAV 2003..I'll give that a try in the next few days

thank you

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Do I run that program before I use remove tool from control panel, or
use it _before_ removing norton with add/remove in control panel???

I believe it is after the Add/Remove uninstall...

 

[news.rcn.com]

Once you install NAV 2001 or 2002, you will have 1 year's worth of

free updates. Once the year is over, you can simply un-install the
program, delete a few program directories, and re-install it and get
another year's worth of updates.

I know that used to be the case although you had to uninstall every
component to do this, like livereg etc but it certainly doesn't work any
more. I have tried it and offered to pay Symantec numerous times and all
they want to do is sell you their most recent software.

The jury is still out on whether AVG gives any less protection than Norton.
SEE MY RECENT THREAD HERE on what got let through as soon as I uninstalled
Norton and installed AVG, - which people here say doesn't even pretend to
offer protection against the sort of spyware and adware which slows your
computer down so much that it is indistinguishable from a virus. No one
seems to know how these trojans, viruses, spyware, and adaware got through
AVG (which now lets me know every three minutes that it has found a trojan
dialer in my Temp Internet folder while IE isn't even running! And just told
me that while it was running a full scan in the background, it found 23
presumably others which it is implying it doesn't seem to have found when
they came in)

 

[badgolferman]

Pedro Sanchez, 6/14/2006, 12:48:42 PM,

AVG Free or Stay with Norton?

I would choose AntiVir or Avast before AVG.

 

[Virus Guy]

I know that used to be the case although you had to uninstall
every component to do this, like livereg etc but it certainly
doesn't work any more.

I re-installed NSW 2002 just a few months ago on one machine and it
worked fine. I have another machine who's NAV 2002 subscription has
finished but haven't gotten around to re-installing it - when I do
I'll report back my results.

I have tried it and offered to pay Symantec numerous times
and all they want to do is sell you their most recent
software.

That situation has been reported here before, and I don't doubt that
Symantec will or is refusing to take money from paying customers who
want to renew their subscriptions of NAV 2001 and maybe even 2002.

That doesn't change the fact that you can circumvent the need to pay
for a renewal by un-installing the software and removing all of it's
program directories and then re-installing it. I keep a CD-image of a
NSW 2002 CD on the hard drive of a few computers for just that
reason. Unexpired installations of NAV 2002 are still able to get
updates via LiveUpdate - I did this just a few days ago.

... while it was running a full scan in the background, it
found 23 presumably others which it is implying it doesn't
seem to have found when they came in

It could be that your def'n files (even if up-to-date) didn't have the
patterns to detect the malware at the time the malware got onto your
pc, but then during a later def'n update the patterns to detect the
malware became available and hence the malware was detected.

 

[news.rcn.com]

I re-installed NSW 2002 just a few months ago on one machine and it
worked fine. I have another machine who's NAV 2002 subscription has
finished but haven't gotten around to re-installing it - when I do
I'll report back my results.

My version of NAV is contained in Systemworks 2001 and unless someone can
show me differently (Symantec arent bright enough to scan these newsgroups)
this now SAYS IT wont install properly on a machine which has XP on it:
Certainly XP SP2. (The 'install NAV' bit is now greyed out: does anyone
know how to un-grey it?)

That situation has been reported here before, and I don't doubt that
Symantec will or is refusing to take money from paying customers who
want to renew their subscriptions of NAV 2001 and maybe even 2002.

They may think they are being commercially clever but they really arent very
bright are they?

It could be that your def'n files (even if up-to-date) didn't have the
patterns to detect the malware at the time the malware got onto your
pc, but then during a later def'n update the patterns to detect the
malware became available and hence the malware was detected.

No, this is Spyquakeware and AVG should have known about it five days ago
when I first posted. They should definitely know by now and I got infected
again this morning as I have posted in another thread. (I have made a
formal report to the government agency at
https://forms.us-cert.gov/report/index.php?SID=3e5d1ac1d9947c4af68142a9385cbf35
and earnestly recommend anyone else reading this to simply click on this
link and do so as well)

 

[Shane]

My version of NAV is contained in Systemworks 2001 and unless someone
can show me differently (Symantec arent bright enough to scan these
newsgroups) this now SAYS IT wont install properly on a machine which
has XP on it: Certainly XP SP2. (The 'install NAV' bit is now greyed
out: does anyone know how to un-grey it?)

Used to be you had to upgrade so that NAV2001 was already installed, but
even then it didn't work satisfactorily (like not starting until the desktop
was loaded). And that was in XP RTM! I believe it stopped working completely
when SP1 was installed.

btw Scriptblocking isn't reinstalled. I don't believe it was the only
NAV2001 program update no longer available.

Shane

 

[virus guy]

My only experience with NSW-2001 on a non-win-98 system was on a
machine running NT-4 server. The front-end NSW installer basically
refused to install anything -> because I was running NT-4 SERVER
instead of NT-4 workstation. Seems Symantec had a different (read,
more $$$) version for SERVER. I dug deeper into the NSW-2001 CD and
was able to install NAV 2001 by itself, and it always worked fine on
that machine, and I was always able to uninstall and reinstall it to
get another year of updates.

I've had no problems installing (and re-installing) NSW-2002 (with
NAV-2002) on XP-pro systems, even those that are fully up-to-date with
SP2. When performing the first update on a newly-installed NSW 2002,
I'm careful to update the re-director last. I think something gets
screwed up if the re-director is part of the first round of updates.

Use add-remove to remove all Symantec, NSW, livereg and liveupdate
components. Then delete all Symantec files and directories (do a
file-find for *symantec* and *norton*).

Then restart and try re-installing. If that doesn't work (and you
want to try something a little risky), repeat the above steps, then go
into the registry and search for any and all keys with symantec and
norton in them, and delete the keys. Re-start, then try installing
NSW 2001.

 

[Shane]

Shane wrote:

I must point out that I posted a response to what you're quoting, not what
you're quoting itself.

My only experience with NSW-2001 on a non-win-98 system was on a
machine running NT-4 server. The front-end NSW installer basically
refused to install anything -> because I was running NT-4 SERVER
instead of NT-4 workstation. Seems Symantec had a different (read,
more $$$) version for SERVER. I dug deeper into the NSW-2001 CD and
was able to install NAV 2001 by itself, and it always worked fine on
that machine, and I was always able to uninstall and reinstall it to
get another year of updates.

Yes, when I used 2001 (and 2000 before that) - basically until Autumn 2002
(XP SP1 was what finally made me ditch it) - I had no problem getting
another year's subscription (deleting catalog.livesubcribe iirc). I used to
have the replacement that set it to last for 30 years, too, which I ran once
or twice for a laugh!

I used to say the abilty to reset subscriptions had been known of for at
least three years and Symantec did nothing about it, though it could have
been fixed very easily, therefore they didn't actually care and they were in
effect permitting it, therefore it wasn't doing anything wrong. I still see
it that way. I just don't think it's that good that it's worth still
running.

I've had no problems installing (and re-installing) NSW-2002 (with
NAV-2002) on XP-pro systems, even those that are fully up-to-date with
SP2. When performing the first update on a newly-installed NSW 2002,
I'm careful to update the re-director last. I think something gets
screwed up if the re-director is part of the first round of updates.

It was a specifically NAV2001 issue (being the one that pre-dated XP - while
NAV2000 didn't even work in Win ME until it was rewritten). This was the fix
at the time: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/nav2001.htm and I see the page
was 'last updated' last Nov.


Shane