OEM Licensing

[Michael Stevens]

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Thanks, Michael. Not to dispute what it says on your website, but
I'd like to have a URL of a Microsoft site I can quote to others.
There's a link on your page to a Microsoft site, but as you say,
that's for registered OEM builders only.

This is the url.
http://communities.microsoft.com/ne...newsgroup=microsoft.communities.oem.licensing
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[Ron Martell]

Oh, Emachines has their own scumware laden OEM XP? If so, I retract what I
said. I thought he had a scumware free OEM.

The only thing I am blaming MS for is not being clear as to what constitutes
a new computer.

eMachines supplies a "System Recovery" disk which will only work on
one of their computers. It is locked to the BIOS versions that they
use.


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[Ron Martell]

How do you define "machine"? If I change the hard drive, is it the same
machine? How about the motherboard? The processor? Can I change my mouse?
Keyboard? Can I upgrade from a CD RW to a DVD burner? How about the fans? If
ones dies, can I replace it or do I need to buy another XP first? What about
the speakers? Can I change those? What *is* MS' definition of a "machine"?

Not relevant to the subject under discussion.

The original posting asked about moving an OEM license to a *new
machine* and that is clearly outside the terms of the End User License
Agreement for the OEM version.


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[David Senior [MVP - Most Valuable Provocateur]]

Most probably yes. Emachines' operating system is not linked to its BIOS. If this doesn't work then you can convert your OEM into full Retail version by changing the D:\i386\SETTUP.INI. If you look at the this file, you will find that PID contains OEM. Change this to 335. Put everything back onto the Cd and create a new bootable CD.

If you need serial numbers then you can go to this site:
http://www.serialarchive.com

For downloads of software including M$'s latest incarnation you will need to go to these sites:
http://www.kazaa.com
http://www.warez.com

The above sites are given courtesy of Michael Stevens (MS-MVP XP) who is a high time criminal pirating M$ software. His website also has a pirating tool to get serial numbers from your own system or from any machines which you have access to!. So who says activation of Microsoft Products is stopping pirates? They must be living on a different planet!.

Hope this proves useful.
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I own a legitimate OEM WinXP copy from Emachines. If or when I should say I
upgrade to a new machine - will the oem license transfer?

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[David Senior [MVP - Most Valuable Provocateur]]

Most probably yes. Emachines' operating system is not linked to its BIOS. If this doesn't work then you can convert your OEM into full Retail version by changing the D:\i386\SETTUP.INI. If you look at the this file, you will find that PID contains OEM. Change this to 335. Put everything back onto the Cd and create a new bootable CD.

If you need serial numbers then you can go to this site:
http://www.serialarchive.com

For downloads of software including M$'s latest incarnation you will need to go to these sites:
http://www.kazaa.com
http://www.warez.com

The above sites are given courtesy of Michael Stevens (MS-MVP XP) who is a high time criminal pirating M$ software. His website also has a pirating tool to get serial numbers from your own system or from any machines which you have access to!. So who says activation of Microsoft Products is stopping pirates? They must be living on a different planet!.

Hope this proves useful.
Dick Chenney's (VP USA) daughters are lesbians and John Kerry has made sure the whole world knows about it!
http://www.microscum.com/ns/mlslies/index.htm

I own a legitimate OEM WinXP copy from Emachines. If or when I should say I
upgrade to a new machine - will the oem license transfer?

--
I use non Microsoft products wherever possible which requires no activation.

I use Netscape 7.2 as my default browser which has everything I need for my work.

I believe in good Financial Management!! I do not believe in enriching rich jerks!

 

[Alex Nichol]

I own a legitimate OEM WinXP copy from Emachines. If or when I should say I
upgrade to a new machine - will the oem license transfer?

No. OEM licenses are restricted to the machine where first installed
and may never be transferred. Hence the lower price for the system as
included with the machine (a lot lower in the case of a bulk builder
like eMachines)

 

[Alias]

No. OEM licenses are restricted to the machine where first installed
and may never be transferred. Hence the lower price for the system as
included with the machine (a lot lower in the case of a bulk builder
like eMachines)

Ain't it great how the vast majority of people who own computers with an OEM
XP find out they're screwed after they pay? I bet eMachines didn't mention
it or have it printed anywhere.

Alias

 

[RobertVA]

All they need to do is get a new OEM license when they get the new computer!

Some OEM CDs are more tolerant of hardware upgrades than others. A large
volume manufacturer can afford to have a programmer modify the
installation software, limiting it to configurations fabricated by that
manufacturer. A local computer dealer that builds custom systems
probably can't or woun't bother with such precautions. Of course if the
customer has problems past the warranty period, these dealers charge an
hourly fee for the technition cleaning up the mess. Software related
problems covered under the warranty ussually result in the destruction
of customer software instalations and data, returning the system to the
same state it was delivered in. Aquisition of a new OEM license is
frequently dependant on the customer's willingness to abide with the EULA.

 

[Ron Martell]

Ain't it great how the vast majority of people who own computers with an OEM
XP find out they're screwed after they pay? I bet eMachines didn't mention
it or have it printed anywhere.

Alias

It is clearly and precisely spelled out in the End User License
Agreement which must be accepted before Windows XP can be used.
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[Alias]

It is clearly and precisely spelled out in the End User License
Agreement which must be accepted before Windows XP can be used.
Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

If eMachines installed the OEM XP, I don't think the end user will have to
accept it themselves before using the computer, do you? I know my HP came
ready to go, no EULA to accept before I got the sound of Windows coming out
of my speakers. The only thing I had to agree to was forking over my money
and it was not explained what an OEM was or that I even had one. How many
computer users do you think even know the difference between and OEM and a
Retail copy?

Alias

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Ain't it great how the vast majority of people who own computers
with
an OEM XP find out they're screwed after they pay? I bet eMachines
didn't mention it or have it printed anywhere.

Alias

Well, since OEM software licenses have been sold like this for
several years, now, it really doesn't need much mentioning -- no more
than one usually has to tell people that water's normal state is wet.

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[Alex Nichol]

If eMachines installed the OEM XP, I don't think the end user will have to
accept it themselves before using the computer, do you? I know my HP came
ready to go, no EULA to accept before I got the sound of Windows coming out
of my speakers.

These are BIOS locked systems. The only restriction that implies is
that any replacement Motherboard or BIOS come from the original maker.
Which is where I would expect any naive user to go for repair.

 

[Guest]

How true you are Alias. MS does this so that we as consumers have to keep
going out and buying thier product everytime we want to make our computer
up-to-date with the times and changing technology. Guess that is how they got
to be so rich
I have 3 computers in my home and every time I have a system "crash" and
have to make a major change to fix, I am off to the computer supply store to
buy another OS. I am sure we all feel the same way about having to do this.
MS knows this and having cornered the market on computer operating systems, I
doubt they will make any changes allowing us to use one OS key for multiple
computers in our homes.

 

[Jim Macklin]

You can reinstall a Microsoft OEM OS as many times as you
want or need to. An OEM branded by a manufacturer such as
eMachine or Compaq is sold by eMachine or Compaq and is
licensed only for their machines.


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| How true you are Alias. MS does this so that we as
consumers have to keep
| going out and buying thier product everytime we want to
make our computer
| up-to-date with the times and changing technology. Guess
that is how they got
| to be so rich
| I have 3 computers in my home and every time I have a
system "crash" and
| have to make a major change to fix, I am off to the
computer supply store to
| buy another OS. I am sure we all feel the same way about
having to do this.
| MS knows this and having cornered the market on computer
operating systems, I
| doubt they will make any changes allowing us to use one OS
key for multiple
| computers in our homes.
|
| "Alias" wrote:
|
| >
| >
| > >I own a legitimate OEM WinXP copy from Emachines. If or
when I should say I
| > > upgrade to a new machine - will the oem license
transfer?
| >
| > If you wait for over 120 days, yes, you can put it on a
new computer and
| > activate it with no problems, although, technically,
that would be against
| > the EULA unless the "new" computer was a product of
updating your current
| > computer. The problem is MS doesn't define how much
upgrading it would take
| > so that a computer becomes "another" or a "new"
computer. With OEMs you
| > don't get any MS support but you sure can have MS
telling you you can't use
| > the product for which you paid good money.
| >
| > Alias
| >
| >
| >

 

[Ken Blake]

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MS does this so that we as consumers have to keep going out
and buying thier product everytime we want to make our computer
up-to-date with the times and changing technology.

I have 3 computers in my home and every time I have a system
"crash"
and have to make a major change to fix, I am off to the
computer
supply store to buy another OS.

Then you are wasting your money. Don't blame Microsoft for this.

You can make as many changes as you want and continue to use the
same copy of Windows. If you have a retail copy, you can even
change to a whole new computer. The only restriction is that if
yours is an OEM copy, you can't move it to a whole new computer.

 

[Rock]

Jim wrote:

I have 3 computers in my home and every time I have a system "crash" and
have to make a major change to fix, I am off to the computer supply store to
buy another OS. I am sure we all feel the same way about having to do this.
MS knows this and having cornered the market on computer operating systems, I
doubt they will make any changes allowing us to use one OS key for multiple
computers in our homes.

What in the world are you talking about. Why would you have to buy
another copy of the OS when the system crashes? Any copy of XP can be
reloaded as many times as you want on the original system. Motherboard
replacements from the original OEM are also fine with the same copy.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

How true you are Alias. MS does this so that we as consumers have to
keep going out and buying thier product everytime we want to make
our
computer up-to-date with the times and changing technology. Guess
that is how they got to be so rich
I have 3 computers in my home and every time I have a system "crash"
and have to make a major change to fix, I am off to the computer
supply store to buy another OS. I am sure we all feel the same way
about having to do this. MS knows this and having cornered the
market
on computer operating systems, I doubt they will make any changes
allowing us to use one OS key for multiple computers in our homes.

How is it possibly Microsoft's fault that _you_ continue to
deliberately choose to purchase non-transferable licenses? Which
Microsoft employee held the gun to your head and forced you to make
such a choice? How about growing up and taking a little
responsibility for the natural consequences of your own actions?

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[Michael Stevens]

These are BIOS locked systems. The only restriction that implies is
that any replacement Motherboard or BIOS come from the original maker.
Which is where I would expect any naive user to go for repair.

Alex,
Actually with a eMachines, any change in the original hardware will cause
the eMachines restore disks to fail. The eMachines hardware must be exactly
the same as shipped to use the eMachines restore disks, but the OEM product
key eMachines supplies will work with any OEM CD, but will require an
activation either by internet or phone.
eMachines limits any changes to the original system to reduce the support
costs. This allows them to sell very cheap systems to the masses. I wouldn't
buy one, but a friend of mine did and found it met his needs, price range
and expectations of useful lifespan well worth the low cost. He thinks of
them like disposable cameras or economical cars, the results he gets are
what he pays for. He doesn't like to change anything inside the case and
when they don't met his needs, he migrates to a new system for about the
same cost as upgrading but with the advantage of newer more advanced
hardware and software. Not my idea of computing utopia, but it seems to work
for him.
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[Guest]

I recently had a case like that. The customer brought in a eMachine to be
fixed. Troubleshooted the machine and found that the motherboard is bad,
Replaced the motherboard and when I started the computer, it said that I have
to activate the XP. Called the activation line and I could not activate it
because of an invalid instalation id. Talked to microsoft tech support and
they tell me that I hava a valid product key, but I need to talk to eMachine
manufacturer in order to solve my activation problem.
Talked to the customer first. Customer does not undestand the problem we are
having. Customer said it paid for the license, and microsoft said that it is
a valid product key. But the eMachine refuses to solve the problem.
In my opinion it is Microsoft fault, because Microsoft allowed and sold
licenses for OEM. The old motherbord is dead, dead. iti will never be used.
customer paid money for the license, and microsoft is responsable for that,
If microsoft does not rezolve the issues, than microsoft is not a honest
company. Ultimately XP is a microsoft product.

 

[Leythos]

I recently had a case like that. The customer brought in a eMachine to be
fixed. Troubleshooted the machine and found that the motherboard is bad,
Replaced the motherboard and when I started the computer, it said that I have
to activate the XP. Called the activation line and I could not activate it
because of an invalid instalation id. Talked to microsoft tech support and
they tell me that I hava a valid product key, but I need to talk to eMachine
manufacturer in order to solve my activation problem.
Talked to the customer first. Customer does not undestand the problem we are
having. Customer said it paid for the license, and microsoft said that it is
a valid product key. But the eMachine refuses to solve the problem.
In my opinion it is Microsoft fault, because Microsoft allowed and sold
licenses for OEM. The old motherbord is dead, dead. iti will never be used.
customer paid money for the license, and microsoft is responsable for that,
If microsoft does not rezolve the issues, than microsoft is not a honest
company. Ultimately XP is a microsoft product.

Nope, customer, through ignornace, bought a OEM machine with OEM
software. The licensing is clear and they could have read it before the
purchase. You could have replaced the eMachine motherboard with another
eMachine motherboard, but you didn't. If you had used a eMachines
motherboard, which you can buy from them, it would have worked without
activation.

This is not a Microsoft problem, it's an eMachines problem. It's also
your fault for not knowing enough to fix the system with approved parts
so as to not invalidate the OEM licensing.