Not Happy With Vista

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Can anyone assure me that Vista gets better? For the last two days I have
not been able to install AIM, Itunes Real Player, or just about anything
else. Itunes & Realplayer download, then either disapper and won't install,
or I just get error messages. AIM takes half an hour to install then wont
open. Im truly on the verge of taking the computer back to the store and
getting the old one out and using XP again!
 
jgoering said:
Can anyone assure me that Vista gets better? For the last two days I have
not been able to install AIM, Itunes Real Player, or just about anything
else. Itunes & Realplayer download, then either disapper and won't
install,
or I just get error messages. AIM takes half an hour to install then wont
open. Im truly on the verge of taking the computer back to the store and
getting the old one out and using XP again!
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http://www.bestvistadownloads.com/c...ultimedia-video-tools-downloads-1-25-0-d.html
 
Real player downloads and installs OK.
I do not use AIM or I tunes but I am sure they are used by others.
That suggests something is wrong with your computer.
Contact the manufacturer for support or considering returning if they
will not assist.

Are you using the latest versions of each of those programs?

Post details of exactly what happens with error messages when you
attempt to install and someone will probably have a solution.
 
Can anyone assure me that Vista gets better? For the last two days I have
not been able to install AIM, Itunes Real Player, or just about anything
else. Itunes & Realplayer download, then either disapper and won't install,
or I just get error messages. AIM takes half an hour to install then wont
open. Im truly on the verge of taking the computer back to the store and
getting the old one out and using XP again!
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Most competent consultants have advised their clients to wait for at least
SP1.
 
Depending on the reasons that is not necessary.
Many of those same consultants are making those suggestions for the
businesses they work for and upgrading to a new operating system often
has consequences never seen by typical home users.
So I would suggest your post is nearly valueless since there are to
many unknowns about the OPs situation.
It is certainly valueless as a blanket rule.

I for one have had no problems with Windows Vista on my two older
computers since installation in November.
 
ray said:
Most competent consultants have advised their clients to wait for at least
SP1.
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No, that's really not true at all.
Only the incompetent consultants are advising their clients not to
upgrade to Vista until SP1 comes out. That will allow them (the
incompetent consultants) to try and learn the ins and outs of Vista so
they don't look like the fools they really are when their clients do
upgrade to Vista.

On the other hand, the really competent consultants, the ones who know
what they're doing, are advising their clients to upgrade to Vista if
they desire to because, (the competent consultants) know Vista and they
know what they're doing.
That's the real truth!
Frank
 
No, that's really not true at all.
Only the incompetent consultants are advising their clients not to
upgrade to Vista until SP1 comes out. That will allow them (the
incompetent consultants) to try and learn the ins and outs of Vista so
they don't look like the fools they really are when their clients do
upgrade to Vista.

On the other hand, the really competent consultants, the ones who know
what they're doing, are advising their clients to upgrade to Vista if
they desire to because, (the competent consultants) know Vista and they
know what they're doing.
That's the real truth!
Frank
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Funny, since it was you Frank saying YOUR "consultants" needed six
months to figure out Vista. LOL!

You want the truth? You're as phony as a three dollar bill. Why do you
try to fake being some computer expert? You are no such thing and
everybody knows it.
 
Frank said:
No, that's really not true at all.
Only the incompetent consultants are advising their clients not to upgrade
to Vista until SP1 comes out. That will allow them (the incompetent
consultants) to try and learn the ins and outs of Vista so they don't look
like the fools they really are when their clients do upgrade to Vista.

On the other hand, the really competent consultants, the ones who know
what they're doing, are advising their clients to upgrade to Vista if they
desire to because, (the competent consultants) know Vista and they know
what they're doing.
That's the real truth!
Frank
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It's not as simple as that. It depends on how big the network is. Is active
directory involved? Are there any 'nix or Novell servers on the network? Are
there any incompatible LOB applications? Are their computers and other
hardware Vista compatible? Do they have remote users? There is no black and
white, yes or no, answer when it comes to upgrading anything in a business
situation. I like to think I'm reasonably competent. I've been using Vista
every day for well over a year and over eight months exclusively on my
Windows computers. I'm pretty sure I know Vista better than most people. I
administer several networks on contract ranging in size from a couple of
PC's to over a hundred. I haven't recommended any of my business clients
upgrade to Vista yet. Even when buying new computers I'm still recommending
XP for them. Once some key personnel are interested I'll recommend they try
Vista at home first for a month or so then at work. Once they're comfortable
and can help other users on their network I "may" recommend Vista but it
will be all or nothing at that point. It costs a business too much to
support two OS' in most cases. It's also much cheaper to train employees if
they have the same OS at home as at work. It's not that I don't think Vista
isn't ready for business use. It's the other way around. Most businesses are
not ready for Vista.
 
Adam said:
Funny, since it was you Frank saying YOUR "consultants" needed six
months to figure out Vista. LOL!
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"Funny" is that you you've made up a lie about something I never ever
said simply to cover you're own incompetent stupid a*s.
You want the truth?
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I know the truth and you can't handle it!
You're fu*kin drunk again!
Sober up loser!
Frank
 
jgoering said:
Can anyone assure me that Vista gets better? For the last two days I have
not been able to install AIM, Itunes Real Player, or just about anything
else. Itunes & Realplayer download, then either disapper and won't
install,
or I just get error messages. AIM takes half an hour to install then wont
open. Im truly on the verge of taking the computer back to the store and
getting the old one out and using XP again!
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I have not installed any of the programs you've listed. So... can't help you
specifically with any of them. I would say, yes, Vista -can- get better. If
Vista was pre-installed on your new computer, it's the OEM's (original
equipment manufacturer) responsibility to support Vista. Pull out your
documentation, find the Help phone number for your PC's manufacturer and
call it.

Lang
 
Most competent consultants have advised their clients to wait for at least
SP1.
Click to expand...

No, that's really not true at all.
Only the incompetent consultants are advising their clients not to
upgrade to Vista until SP1 comes out. That will allow them (the
incompetent consultants) to try and learn the ins and outs of Vista so
they don't look like the fools they really are when their clients do
upgrade to Vista.

On the other hand, the really competent consultants, the ones who know
what they're doing, are advising their clients to upgrade to Vista if
they desire to because, (the competent consultants) know Vista and they
know what they're doing.
That's the real truth!
Frank[/QUOTE]

Hi Frank,

You missed it on this one. The incompetent consultants ARE recommending
Vista, just so they can increase their bottom line. The competent ones
want to keep their clients working smoothly.

If you have facts to support your statements, I'd love to see them.

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On 7/6/2007 7:05 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
keyboard
Depending on the reasons that is not necessary.
Many of those same consultants are making those suggestions for the
businesses they work for and upgrading to a new operating system often
has consequences never seen by typical home users.
So I would suggest your post is nearly valueless since there are to
many unknowns about the OPs situation.
It is certainly valueless as a blanket rule.

I for one have had no problems with Windows Vista on my two older
computers since installation in November.
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Two home computers is not quite the same as 25 to 100 (or more) on a
domain. If you can't speak on that level, you're speaking to most home
users. I have 6 computers at my home, and that isn't comparing apples
to apples.

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Terry R. said:
No, that's really not true at all.
Only the incompetent consultants are advising their clients not to
upgrade to Vista until SP1 comes out. That will allow them (the
incompetent consultants) to try and learn the ins and outs of Vista so
they don't look like the fools they really are when their clients do
upgrade to Vista.

On the other hand, the really competent consultants, the ones who know
what they're doing, are advising their clients to upgrade to Vista if
they desire to because, (the competent consultants) know Vista and they
know what they're doing.
That's the real truth!
Frank
Click to expand...

Hi Frank,

You missed it on this one. The incompetent consultants ARE recommending
Vista, just so they can increase their bottom line. The competent ones
want to keep their clients working smoothly.

If you have facts to support your statements, I'd love to see them.
[/QUOTE]


I disagree with this as well. I can easily imagine cases where I might
recommend Vista. In a new network with all new hardware Vista would be a
great fit. They would get the benefit of not having the cost and downtime of
upgrading at a later date. A competent consultant recommends the best
solution for the client not their favourite OS or even what they know best.
 
Terry;
You assume much from my post, some apparently false.
I never said how many computers I have or maintain

Read the OPs post again.
It seems the OP is referring to one computer, a typical home user
without a domain.
 
"Only the incompetent consultants are advising their clients not to
upgrade to Vista until SP1 comes out."
FALSE.
Any consultant giving blanket advice without taking into consideration
the individual organizations needs and circumstances is incompetent.
For some there is legitimate reason to wait, for others, they should
make the move now.
This is very similar to what happened when Windows XP was released
almost 6 years ago and will probably be repeated at the release of the
next OS.
This is not any type of problem, it is simply different organizations
tailoring their purchasing to their needs.
 
"The incompetent consultants ARE...", if that is their actual reason
Very true.
Any consultant giving blanket advice without taking into consideration
the individual organizations needs and circumstances is incompetent.
For some there is legitimate reason to wait, for others, they should
make the move now.
This is very similar to what happened when Windows XP was released
almost 6 years ago and will probably be repeated at the release of the
next OS.
This is not any type of problem, it is simply different organizations
tailoring their purchasing to their needs.
 
Terry said:
Hi Frank,

You missed it on this one. The incompetent consultants ARE recommending
Vista, just so they can increase their bottom line. The competent ones
want to keep their clients working smoothly.

If you have facts to support your statements, I'd love to see them.
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Hi Terry,
No, you missed it on this one. The competent consultants ARE
recommending Vista because they know what they're doing and are
confident in their abilities.
Whereas the incompetent ones want to keep their clients (the few that
they actually have) and are afraid to recommend Vista because they
haven't yet acuminated themselves to the nuances of Vista.
In other words they're lost and don't know what they're doing.

If you have facts to support your statements, I'd love to see them.
Frank
 
Mentioning facts, lets see the source for yours.
"The competent consultants ARE recommending Vista because they know
what they're doing and are confident in their abilities."
These consultants sound quite incompetent if they are not taking into
account the organizations needs and circumstances.

The organizations needs and circumstances have no connection to the
consultants abilities.
If for some reason there is a connection, fire the incompetent and
hire someone competent.

Your extreme position on this issue is simply wrong as most extreme
positions.

See my other post.
 
On 7/6/2007 10:26 PM On a whim, Kerry Brown pounded out on the keyboard
I disagree with this as well. I can easily imagine cases where I might
recommend Vista. In a new network with all new hardware Vista would be a
great fit. They would get the benefit of not having the cost and downtime of
upgrading at a later date. A competent consultant recommends the best
solution for the client not their favourite OS or even what they know best.
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Ah, but we haven't been talking about "new" networks. I agree with you
on this, and if Frank was speaking of such, my error.

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