No wonder Vista was late AND lame...

[DarkSentinel]

Huh??? wanna try to rephrase that so that I have an inkling of what you
really meant to say?

What it means is that it doesn't matter what it was about, as long as it
agrees with how you think things are. For example...if you say Vista sucks,
as long as the article, quote, etc., agrees with you, it doesn't matter
where it came from or who wrote it.

 

[Jon]

Interesting to read this, even if it is a year old.

I think it's just saying how complex writing and changing an OS - I don't think it's really
malcontent.

I don't think it's a reason to "knock" Vista, although I agree that the shutdown choices are
confusing.

Are ex-Microsoft employees allowed to make public this sort of thing? I would have thought that
their contracts prevented them, and that they are bound to this even after they have left Microsoft.

http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html

Yawn...
Uhhh...that "article", actually it is a blog by a malcontent, is more
than 1 yr old.
Frank

 

[David]

What it means is that it doesn't matter what it was about, as long as
it agrees with how you think things are. For example...if you say
Vista sucks, as long as the article, quote, etc., agrees with you, it
doesn't matter where it came from or who wrote it.

ah, but his point is without merit, as HE is gonna consider the veracity
of the source in a different light than I would, so who becomes the
final arbiter of what constitutes a sufficiently "reliable" source??

Dave

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Jon;
Microsoft employees sign nondisclosure agreements (NDA).
But I doubt there is a violation in the article.

 

[NoStop]

Let me ask you a very serious question, capin' crunch...at what point in
time in your delusional mind did you start thinking that you were
actually a sane person?
Not that we want to know cause we already know that you proly never were
a sane person but we do want to know at what point did you start
thinking or thought that you knew that you were a sane person?
Well...?
Frank

There's Frank, imagining he's a lawyer.

Cheers.

PS. Frank, do read my sig. It's there to help you with your brain injury.

--
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Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...
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[DanS]

You believe <5% succeed with Windows Vista.

That's not what was said. (I hate having to copy & paste from other posts
because people, like you, snip what you were directly replying to.)

So the quote is........"I would say a more realistic number is 3-4% of
the vista users are the ones that do not run into problems.."

My 3-4% (probably much higher) number thrownout was, as I specifically
stated, people that were _dissatisfied_ with Vista, not that couldn't get
it to work. It's probably much higher. Much higher not because Vista, by
iteself, sucks or doesn't suck, but because all the hype about how much
better it is than XP, in a 1000 different ways, which if you read here,
isn't the case for the _typical_ PC user. (Don't even bring up security
here, as the main issue with Windows security was not XP itself, but IE.)

If you can say that more than 95% of Vista users install Vista the first
time, all hardware is detected properly, all drivers work perfectly, all
of their existing s/w works w/o a hitch, they don't suffer from the slow
network transfers, don't have any problmes getting their wireless up and
running, etc. perhaps it is you living in a dream world.

A dream world that never had reading comprehension class.

You have a problem with Vista, at least I think it was you, if it wasn't,
it was another Vista-pusher then. The easy fix for problems with Explorer
was to use a 3rd party file manager. If that isn't a problem, I don't
know what is.

 

[Frank]

Frank wrote:




There's Frank, imagining he's a lawyer.

You must have had your point bald head up RS's hairy arse all night long
to come to that stupid conclusion, you cross-dressing lying linux POS.
Frank

oh and cheers as*hole!

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

I replied to vista user 43, not to you.
Earlier posts than vista user 43 were deliberately snipped since they
were irrelevant and easily read in earlier posts if someone needed.
I did not snip what I was replying.
The entirety of his four lines of post is quoted in my post.

Perhaps I worded it poorly.
However if there are problems, there is probably poor success.

"If you can say that more than 95% of Vista users"
I do not know what the statistics are.
vista 43 thinks the failure % higher, but blind bias does that when
facts are ignored or unavailable.
He regularly throws statistics refusing to give a source which
suggests the statistics are fabricated.

However as I said in my other post, preparation and planning goes a
long way in preventing issues.
Some seem to feel it should work first time every time out of the box.
Which simply is not true since planning can locate most
incompatibilities etc in advance.
A better % would be what is the success/failure/problem/satisfaction
rate of those planning and preparing in advance?

Difficult if not impossible statistics to reliably get.

 

[DanS]

I replied to vista user 43, not to you.
Earlier posts than vista user 43 were deliberately snipped since they
were irrelevant and easily read in earlier posts if someone needed.
I did not snip what I was replying.
The entirety of his four lines of post is quoted in my post.

You are right, I didn't see what you were replying to because you top-
posted.

Perhaps I worded it poorly.
However if there are problems, there is probably poor success.

"If you can say that more than 95% of Vista users"
I do not know what the statistics are.
vista 43 thinks the failure % higher, but blind bias does that when
facts are ignored or unavailable.
He regularly throws statistics refusing to give a source which
suggests the statistics are fabricated.

Again, shall I talk s l o w e r s o y o u c a n c o m p r e h e n d b
e t t e r ? T h e p o s t y o u r e p l i e d t o d i d n o t s a
y f a i l u r e.

I t s a i d P R O B L E M S. A f a i l u r e w o u l d b e g i v i
n g u p o n V i s t a a n d g o i n g b a c k t o X P.

And we all know that people don't have to like something to use it. Lots
get 'stuck' with an OS because that is what came preloaded on the PC and
they don't want to fork over even more money to buy a new copy of XP,
because that is what came on their old computer, and why should they by
somehing they already own.....(or *think* they own.)

 

[DanS]

A few wannabe e-journalists and a few blogs...does not in any way add

up to your "millions". You flunked math didn't you?

So Frank, the marketing guru that you are, with a typical consumer product,
which Vista is, what is the satisfaction rate ? Certainly not 100%.

Out of the claimed '100 million copies of Vista sold' just a few percent of
customers that are dissatisified would wind up to be millions.

Or did *you* fail that class.

 

[DanS]

so who becomes the
final arbiter of what constitutes a sufficiently "reliable" source??

Certainly no regulars here....from either camp. Some merely bash Vista for
the sake of bashing it and other's seem to blindly promote it and never
acknowledge any shortcomings.

Why do you hear completely different reviews for the same movie ?

Why did people re-elect George Bush ?

Why do all of the TV show I like get cancelled ?

Why......

 

[David]

Certainly no regulars here....from either camp. Some merely bash Vista for
the sake of bashing it and other's seem to blindly promote it and never
acknowledge any shortcomings.

Why do you hear completely different reviews for the same movie ?

Why did people re-elect George Bush ?

Why do all of the TV show I like get cancelled ?

Why......

yeah, i can relate to much of what u said! I bash Vista on the
issues that it presents for me. It has failed in very specific ways on
my laptop. Those failures are what I complain about, such as the file
copy failure post I made today about last nights 35 minute debacle to
copy one tiny little file from one folder to another. That's really
unpardonable, IMO for an OS to fail at simple things like copying a file.

Dave

 

[NoStop]

So Frank, the marketing guru that you are, with a typical consumer
product, which Vista is, what is the satisfaction rate ? Certainly not
100%.

Out of the claimed '100 million copies of Vista sold' just a few percent
of customers that are dissatisified would wind up to be millions.

Or did *you* fail that class.

He didn't even take that class. The level he's at in his "schooling", he
hasn't been taught percentages yet. Maybe that's why he's so successful in
his "marketing" business. His accountant said he was in the red 50% since
last quarter and he doesn't understand what 50% means. Nor does he
understand fractions, so "last quarter" didn't really mean anything to him.
I've been telling him for months now, that since he lost "half" his brain
on the battlefield, he should seek medical help. But he obviously thinks
that half a brain is still good enough to come here and make an ass of
himself. His mom has told him not to take the cork off his fork because
there's a 100% chance he'll lose an eye. Doesn't phase him at all. Go
figure?

Cheers.

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Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...
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[Frank]

So Frank, the marketing guru that you are, with a typical consumer product,
which Vista is, what is the satisfaction rate ? Certainly not 100%.

Accurate MS user surveys can only be done by MS because only they have
access to the "real" numbers and generally speaking, these surveys are
for internal use only.
IOW's, me, you, and all the rest of the general public, have no real
idea what the true percentage is or even to define what we are seeking
to define.

Out of the claimed '100 million copies of Vista sold' just a few percent of
customers that are dissatisified would wind up to be millions.

The real problem is in defining what "dissatisfied" means.

Or did *you* fail that class.

I never took a marketing class in my entire life!
Sorry.
Frank

 

[DarkSentinel]

ah, but his point is without merit, as HE is gonna consider the veracity
of the source in a different light than I would, so who becomes the final
arbiter of what constitutes a sufficiently "reliable" source??

Wasn't taking sides, just tried to translate what he said...hehehe

 

[David]

Wasn't taking sides, just tried to translate what he said...hehehe

oh, I didn't wish to imply that u were taking either side, but rather
that you were, as u say, "translating".

Dave

 

[David]

u r an idiot

LOL! Whatever you say, slick.

dave

 

[DanS]

Accurate MS user surveys can only be done by MS because only they have
access to the "real" numbers and generally speaking, these surveys are
for internal use only.
IOW's, me, you, and all the rest of the general public, have no real
idea what the true percentage is or even to define what we are seeking
to define.

MS makes no claims of customer satisfaction, only units sold.

The real problem is in defining what "dissatisfied" means.

Well that's pretty easy to define....people that were expecting a leap
forward and feel they did not get that. People that say they 'would not
recommend Vista', people that have given up on it. People that are locked
in because that is what came on their new PC, and are bearing with it,
due to the fact that they don't have a retail XP license they can
transfer over to the new PC w/o spending even more money..the list goes
on and on.

It's quite easy to believe that at least 5% are dissatisfied, which would
be the plural form of million......millions.

 

[Frank]

MS makes no claims of customer satisfaction, only units sold.

As I said, those numbers are proly for internal use only. We can only
guess...which is what we're doing.

Well that's pretty easy to define....

No, that's not true.

people that were expecting a leap

forward and feel they did not get that.

Define "leap forward"...you'll get dozens of answers.

People that say they 'would not

recommend Vista',

The ones who use it or have used it or the ones who'll never use it or
the MS haters?

people that have given up on it. People that are locked

in because that is what came on their new PC, and are bearing with it,
due to the fact that they don't have a retail XP license they can
transfer over to the new PC w/o spending even more money..the list goes
on and on.

As you just stated, defining "dissatisfied" is difficult and can be very
broad or very narrow. Defining the definition of dissatisfied determines
the results...percentage wise.

It's quite easy to believe that at least 5% are dissatisfied, which would
be the plural form of million......millions.

You could make that 100% if you asked the question..."do you wish
computers with Vista were easier to use"?

If you've ever been involved in a scientifically conducted, randomly
sampled survey, you'd know it not easy to do them correctly or in an
unbiased manner.
Frank

 

[Dave Harris]

LOL! NoStop, you're a funny guy!

There's Frank, imagining he's a lawyer.

Cheers.

PS. Frank, do read my sig. It's there to help you with your brain injury.