measekite said:
socket to em. they cannot stand when someone else sees the light and
even remotely agrees with me. my god (if there is one) that is
sacreligious.
But here's a case of being blinded by too much light.
the reason is obvious. the relabelers that sell the stuff will not tell
you what they are selling. since there is no brand to follow in the
marketplace it is impossible to tell what is better and what is worse.
topping that off what you may get from a relabeler in january may be
different from what you get in april. they change there supplier if
they get a better price or for other business reasons.
Yes. This is an issue with re-labelers, but some (like Belkin) can
impose exacting standards on their suppliers and deliver (mostly)
trustworthy products. They won't be the cheapest out there because they
are imposing a degree of quality and quality control; these ingredients
cost money! Sloppy manufacturing and absence of quality oversight (and
support!) shave costs, but will ensure that at the lowest price out
there, you cannot depend on consistency. The same is true of vendors who
are out for very high profits at the cost of quality (see my note about
Fry's below).
that is not really true. staples sells generic junk that people have
had problems with. even the simple generic stuff is not as good. i
bought a generic printer ribbon with a nukote label on it and the
quality was no where near as good as the oem. you ge what you pay for
but in this case the oems were not selling ribbons in staples.
"Nukote" is not a generic! Nukote is a brand. My experience with Nukote
products in the past has been quite good -- it's been a brand that I've
trusted. Perhaps you got an exception that sneaked through QC.
But I think that many retailers will indeed sell junk because their
buyers are either overworked or won't go the extra mile to ensure
quality. Many buyers just go for the bottom line and consistent supply.
These guys are not working for me, the customer. I recently checked
Fry's for refill products and found that the one line they sell, from
China, is a sorry inadequate kit that's "one size fits all." And it's
very overpriced. And the store won't take it back if you hate it!
they are of dubious quality. see my remark above and that was before i
got down here.
in the case of a deskjet you only have to worry about a leaky cart of
poor results. you cannot clog a printhead since you get a different one
with each cart change.
With refilled cartridges, you don't know where they've slept around!
They may give me AIDS, for all I know. Like a toilet seat, and OH, GOD:
I'm being consumed!!
Seriously, this is one case in which I do have some concern about the
condtion of the print head.
i asked all of the larger relabelers via phone who is the mfg/formulator
"brand" of ink they supply in their prefilled carts and bottles and they
refused to tell me. now that is telling me you do not know what you are
getting.
Now, granted that I've come in late in this discussion, but I note here
a concentration on "relabelers." Many relabelers, in any field, are
fly-by-nights in the sense that many will, indeed, change suppliers
exclusively for best price. But there are some who won't, and it pays to
know the difference rather than to paint them all with the same brush.
Granted that knowing the difference may be difficult and time consuming
to discern. But some suppliers, for example, may change their supplier
from time-to-time, but only buy from excellent sources.
and most of the time the store brand of foods are not the same quality
as major brands. there are some exceptions but nowhere is a store brand
better accross the full line of products. as an example coscto kirkland
full sheet glossy is about as good as canon photo paper pro but the cut
4x6 sheet lacks the whiteness of the full sheet counter part. kirkland
toliet paper is much worse than great northern or charmin also sold in
costco for a few dolllars more.
It's incumbent on all of us to do our own personal research (or check in
forums like this one). A big exception in my life, for example, is
Trader Joe, where almost all the merchandise is house brand, and all is
virtually the best obtainable -- and good values, too! I know of no
"national major brands" that come close to their food quality. And
Safeway's premium house brand cookies beat the hell out of Nabisco (and
I don't like to say nice things about Safeway).
As far as Costco toilet paper goes, I don't know what you've been
exposing your tush to, but I'll attest that it is just as good as the
insanely overpriced major brands (of which you probably are paying 3/4
the cost to your local TV broadcast outlet and the networks). The value
is truly amazing: just squeeze the Costco roll, or compare two rolls on
a scale. Costco's value simply blows away the "majors."
Now, there are many cases in which Costco's value is poor, sometimes
really bad. Oregon Scientific projection clocks have been cheaper at
Radio Shack! I usually don't find good quality electronics there, nor
good values in them. Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't find
their prices on HP ink appealing.
it is just that there a group of posters in this ng who will not admit
the truth like you just did and keep name calling and instulting posters
who disagree with them. they also support the spammers who push \their
cause and a few are plants working for the relabeler and there are two
that either work for are newly retired from major printer companiers
Now, let's turn to another category of sellers: companies who actually
make their own ink! If you ask them, they'll be able to answer your
question: "We do!" I like to go to the source.
When we buy genuine HP cartridges, we're paying for good QC and R&D
that's included in the entire print system. Alas, we're also paying for
extremely expensive advertising, Wall Street speculation, the
insanely-high salary of the narcissistic CEO, probably the policies of
the incestuous board-of-directors, and the CEO's golden parachute. As a
customer, I insist on better value for my money. I did not get any
benefit from my direct contribution to Carly Fiorina's mansion fund.
Maybe the best option is to buy from folks who make their own ink --
especially if they want our repeat business. They're out there. And they
won't be as cheap as some of the relabeler hustlers.
When I buy gasoline for my car, how much of that gallon goes into the
pocket of Exxon's CEO? Hmmm.
Richard
