Newtork Map vs. Network - can't see PC's

[Brad]

Ok, I have PC#1 running windows Vista with a wirels pci card connected to
PC#2 Running Vista Home Premuim connnected via lan cable to a wirelss N
router. I have setup a home network with a name of "Blue" (not really the
name), both pc's are configured to the same workgroup. Internet access works
on both pc's.

The problem I'm having is trying to share files. When I look at my
Network Map on Vista, I can see the XP pc. However when I go to

Start>>Netork - I only see the Vista PC. So I can see the XP pc in netowrk

map, but not my network in order to access files on the XP machine.

XP doesn't have network map, but when I go into >network, I can see the
files I'm sharing on the XP pc, but I cannot see the Vista pc at all. I can
view my work group when I navigate to Microsoft Networks but cannot access
it.

So I can't figure out why I cannot see the XP pc on Vista co I can access
the shared (public) folders and the same with the XP pc.

Thanks in advance

 

[Wyman]

I have the exact problem as Brad. I downloaded and installed LLTD on the XP
machines and I still can't see either of the computers on any of the
machines. I've gone as far as to uninstall (temporarily) my personal
firewalls on both my XP laptop and desktop and Vista Ultimate desktop.
There are files shared on all the machines. All the machines are showing up
in the Network Map (see pics).

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/smileychgo/NSC.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/smileychgo/Networkmap-1.jpg

Hopefully someone can help us. Thanks.

Wy

 

[Mick Murphy]

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
How to give Permissions are there, too.
If you are running Norton, etc’s Firewall, check its settings.

1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
the SAME.

In Vista Network and Sharing:

Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)

Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)

File Sharing: ON

Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
Docs)

Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
from an XP computer.

Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.

 

[Brad]

I've done all that and chcked all that over and over. I have LLTD installed
and checked also. Everything is like you ahve written and I still cannot see
the files.

 

[Wyman]

Hi Mick,

This is VERY weird to me. Even the Vista machine itself is not showing up when I click Start--Network. This is a serious problem.

I have gone through the link you sent twice just in case I missed something but I haven't. If you saw the pic of my network map you'd see that all the computers are there so why they are not showing up in the Network I'm really baffled. I can't even access them by typing \\officepc or \\hppavilion.

Wy
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
How to give Permissions are there, too.
If you are running Norton, etc’s Firewall, check its settings.

1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
the SAME.

In Vista Network and Sharing:

Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)

Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)

File Sharing: ON

Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
Docs)

Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
from an XP computer.

Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.

 

[Wyman]

Well Brad at least something is showing up in your Network. Nothing is showing up in mine. If you get yours figured out PLEASE post back.
I've done all that and chcked all that over and over. I have LLTD installed
and checked also. Everything is like you ahve written and I still cannot see
the files.

 

[Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)]

If you can see remote XP in network map but not network, it could be master
browser. What do you receive if using net view \\xpname?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com

 

[Wyman]

Hi Robert,

When I ran that command it gave me the following error: "System error 53 has
occurred. The network path was not found."

Wy

 

[Doug]

I have a similar problem. I have a Vista notebook that, occasionally, can't
see the two XP Pro PCs. Usually all are visible, but sometimes, with no
changes, not even rebooting, the XP PCs disappear. If I need to connect, I
can map a drive using \\pc etc, so there is an access route.
To re-enable I go to all 3 PCs and change the workgroup name. Then I can
see everything. A couple of days later - no XP PCs. SO, change workgroup
name on all 3 PCs and BINGO, they are back.
The two XP PCs are always on. My Vista notebook I sometimes hibernate or
sleep, but very rarely reboot. Of course everything needs rebooting after a
change of workgroup name.
When I can't see an XP PC, rebooting that PC does not change anything -
still can't see.
Rebooting my Vista - same thing - no change.

BTW what is the network map you mention? There is none in Help & Support,
and none in my "Windows Vista Inside Out" 1100 page reference manual.

Naturally network discovery is On and Private.

 

[Wyman]

Doug,

The network map is in the Network and Sharing Center.

Wy

 

[Wyman]

Hi Robert,

Just a minor update. I tested it with the wired connection on the Vista
machine and it works. But it doesn't work with the wireless connection.
The PC has a Linksys Wireless adapter. Do you know why it wouldn't work?

Wy

 

[Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)]

System error 53 is name resolution issue or firewall issue. Since wired
works, I would check the wireless TCP/IP settings and make sure the NetBIOS
over TCP/IP is enabled.

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com

 

[Wyman]

Hi Robert -

I've temporarily uninstalled all firewalls and disabled the ones in XP and
Vista. NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all the machines.

Wy