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M

Manny

I just started using Outlook Express for my newsgroups, and so far I'm quite
satisfied. Since it's on your computer as part of Windows XP anyhow, why
don't you read the Help file, and see what you can learn.

Manny
 
W

Wesley VogelX

Manny;
Sounds like excellent advice to me. Sadly, many copies of Windows XP have
shipped without the Help and Support option.
Wes
 
J

_Jan

Hello Wes,

| many copies of Windows XP have
| shipped without the Help and Support option.

Does your XP include "Step By Step Interactive" help
which is invoked by "Practice:" topics in
[Start] | Help and Support |, or is launched from
[Start] | Programs | Accessories | MS Interactive Training

It is on my OEM XP Pro.

Jan
 
G

Gordon Burgess-Parker

W

Wesley VogelX

Hello Jan;
Thanks for the reply, but I think you missed the sarcasm of my reply. What
I meant was that since a large number of people come here to ask questions,
that are easily answered with Help, they must NOT have Help and Support on
their machines. Half of what I post as answers is copied and pasted from Help.
To answer your question. I use the Classic Start Menu. Start/Help and
Support/type topic/ENTER/choose from list/click/read/done.
Wes ;o)
I see you are in the same time zone as I am. Are you in the US or Canada?
 
J

__Jan

Hello Wes,

I was wondering if *anybody* is aware of the existence of
"Step By Step Interactive" training which is included
with Windows XP.

Whenever I post detailed answers, it is because those
answers are *not* easy to locate in "Help & Support".
Otherwise, I just give brief directions into H & S.

How/where do you see I am in the same time zone as you
are? The date/time-stamp on posts is based on the local
time in Redmond, Washington, USA (deduced from comparing
date/time-stamp on my posts with the actual time I posted).

Jan

-----Original Message-----
Hello Jan;
Thanks for the reply, but I think you missed the sarcasm of my reply. What
I meant was that since a large number of people come here
to ask questions, that are easily answered with Help, they
must NOT have Help and Support on their machines. Half of
what I post as answers is copied and pasted from Help.

To answer your question. I use the Classic Start Menu.
Start/Help and Support/type topic/ENTER/choose from
list/click/read/done.

I see you are in the same time zone as I am. Are you in
the US or Canada?
_Jan said:
Hello Wes,

| many copies of Windows XP have
| shipped without the Help and Support option.

Does your XP include "Step By Step Interactive" help
which is invoked by "Practice:" topics in
[Start] | Help and Support |, or is launched from
[Start] | Programs | Accessories | MS Interactive Training

It is on my OEM XP Pro.

Jan
 
W

Wesley VogelX

Hello Jan;
You are -0700 GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) right? That's Mountain Daylight
Time [MDT] (US & Canada). I am in the US, Colorado. MDT.
Right click message/Properties/Details tab/Message Source button/Your post;
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:57:44 -0700. [i.e. 7:57:54 PM MDT.]
**Redmond, Washington, USA is Pacific Daylight Time [PDT] -0800 GMT.**
My post; Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:34:46 GMT [2:34 AM my time]
Greenwich, England; Home of World Time since 1884. Also known as Zulu Time
and UTC - Universal Time. :blush:)
Wes
 
J

__Jan

Hello Wes,

In the web interface, the MessageList frame shows me...

"Wesley VogelX" - Oct 12 2003 6:03PM
"_Jan" - Oct 12 2003 6:55PM
"Wesley VogelX" - Oct 13 2003 1:34AM <-- (1)
"__Jan" - Oct 16 2003 6:57PM <-- (2)
"Wesley VogelX" - Oct 17 2003 5:25AM

|Your post;
|Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:57:44 -0700.
|[i.e. 7:57:54 PM MDT.]
....which agrees with (2)

|My post;
|Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:34:46 GMT
|[2:34 AM my time]
....yet (1) says 1:34AM.

In other words, one hour west of your time zone.

Pacific Standard Time (US & Canada) [PST] -0800 GMT

Pacific Daylight Time (US & Canada) [PDT] -0700 GMT

**Redmond, Washington, USA is on
Pacific Daylight Time [PDT] -0700 GMT.**

The date/time-stamp on posts using the web interface is
based on the local time in Redmond, Washington, USA.

Your newsreader indicates -0700 GMT for all
messages that were posted using the web interface,
and perhaps for *all* other posts as well. The
"-0700 GMT" indicates the frame of reference for
the date/time-stamp on posts.

To test that theory, the next time you read any message
that has
"Sender's E-mail: [[email protected]]"
check the time zone.

For any other posts, do you always see -0700 GMT?

And do you have SBSI?

Jan


-----Original Message-----
Hello Jan;
You are -0700 GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) right?

--No--


That's Mountain Daylight
Time [MDT] (US & Canada). I am in the US, Colorado. MDT.
Right click message/Properties/Details tab/Message
Source button/Your post;
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:57:44 -0700. [i.e. 7:57:54 PM MDT.]

**Redmond, Washington, USA is Pacific Daylight Time
[PDT] -0800 GMT.**
My post; Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:34:46
GMT [2:34 AM my time]
Greenwich, England; Home of World Time since 1884.
Also known as Zulu Time and UTC - Universal Time. :blush:)
of "Step By Step Interactive" training which is included
with Windows XP.
sarcasm of my reply. What I meant was that since a large
number of people come here to ask questions, that are
easily answered with Help, they must NOT have Help and
Support on their machines. Half of what I post as answers
is copied and pasted from Help.
in the US or Canada?
 
W

Wesley VogelX

Hello Jan;
Thanks for the input. This CDO deal is confusing to me. Everybody is
(e-mail address removed). And now I learn that they all have the
same Time Zone. :blush:( Well I dare to be different. I am not
(e-mail address removed). Nor could you get me to use CDO. I use a
real newsreader. <EG>

The date/time-stamp on posts using the web interface is
based on the local time in Redmond, Washington, USA.
Noted.

Your newsreader indicates -0700 GMT for all
messages that were posted using the web interface,
and perhaps for *all* other posts as well. The
"-0700 GMT" indicates the frame of reference for
the date/time-stamp on posts.

Just CDO, not all posts. Copied and pasted the following. I tracked down
the country either using whois or the suffix in the e-mail address or from what
the poster said in the message. I get all kinds, i.e.
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:54:37 -0400 {Canada}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:09:32 -0600 {US}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:25:32 EDT {US}
Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:18:07 MDT {US}
Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:50:32 +0100 {UK}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:42:21 +0300 {Russia}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:57:40 -0500 {US}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:39:12 +0530 {New Delhi,India}
Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:47:52 +0700 {INDONESIA}
Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:22:30 +1000 {Kiev, Ukraine }
Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:37 +0400 {Russia}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:11:01 +0200 {Netherlands}
Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:28:26 +1300 {New Zealand}
13 Oct 2003 17:22:27 +0000 (UTC) {UK}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:33:42 +0200 {Austria}
Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:23:17 +1000 {Australia}
I don't know how it is now, but Russia used to have eleven Time Zones.
;o)
For any other posts, do you always see -0700 GMT?
No. Just CDO.
And do you have SBSI?

I don't know what it is, so I doubt very much that I have it.
Please let me know what it is, as I doubt you are in reference to the
SANTA BARBARA SURF IMPLEMENT. Although this might be handy to use. ;-)
Wes

-----Original Message-----
Hello Jan;
You are -0700 GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) right?

--No--


That's Mountain Daylight
Time [MDT] (US & Canada). I am in the US, Colorado. MDT.
Right click message/Properties/Details tab/Message Source
button/Your post;
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:57:44 -0700. [i.e. 7:57:54 PM MDT.]
**Redmond, Washington, USA is Pacific Daylight Time [PDT] -0800
GMT.**
My post; Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:34:46
GMT [2:34 AM my time]
Greenwich, England; Home of World Time since 1884.
Also known as Zulu Time and UTC - Universal Time. :blush:)
 
J

__Jan

Hello Wes,

Your input is very helpful.

| This CDO deal is confusing to me.
| Everybody is (e-mail address removed)

Prior to the severe disruptions in accessing these
newsgroups via the web interface earlier this month,
(I was locked out of windowsxp.customize for seven days)
the "Sender's E-mail:" field when [New Post]ing or
[Post Reply]ing was blank.

Since then, the web interface has been redesigned.
One change is that the default setting in the
"Sender's E-mail:" field is now
(e-mail address removed), in keeping with
the advice given in the recent posts - Subject:
"Reducing Spam Associated with Posting to Newsgroups"
From: "Microsoft Communities Team [MSFT]"
<[email protected]>

--
SBSI = "Step By Step Interactive" help

[Start]
| Programs |
| Accessories |
| MS Interactive Training |

This may also be invoked by "Practice:" topics in
[Start] | Help and Support |

Jan

-----Original Message-----
Hello Jan;
Thanks for the input. This CDO deal is confusing to
me. Everybody is (e-mail address removed).
And now I learn that they all have the same Time Zone. :blush:
( Well I dare to be different. I am not
(e-mail address removed). Nor could you get me
Just CDO, not all posts. Copied and pasted the following. I tracked down
the country either using whois or the suffix in the e- mail address or from what
the poster said in the message. I get all kinds, i.e.
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:54:37 -0400 {Canada}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:09:32 -0600 {US}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:25:32 EDT {US}
Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:18:07 MDT {US}
Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:50:32 +0100 {UK}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:42:21 +0300 {Russia}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:57:40 -0500 {US}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:39:12 +0530 {New Delhi,India}
Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:47:52 +0700 {INDONESIA}
Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:22:30 +1000 {Kiev, Ukraine }
Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:37 +0400 {Russia}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:11:01 +0200 {Netherlands}
Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:28:26 +1300 {New Zealand}
13 Oct 2003 17:22:27 +0000 (UTC) {UK}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:33:42 +0200 {Austria}
Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:23:17 +1000 {Australia}
I don't know how it is now, but Russia used to have
eleven Time Zones. ;o)
I don't know what it is, so I doubt very much that I have it.
Please let me know what it is, as I doubt you are in reference to the
SANTA BARBARA SURF IMPLEMENT. Although this might be handy to use. ;-)
Wes
-----Original Message-----
Hello Jan;
You are -0700 GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) right?
--No--
That's Mountain Daylight
Time [MDT] (US & Canada). I am in the US, Colorado.
MDT.
Source button/Your post;
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:57:44 -0700. [i.e. 7:57:54
PM MDT.]
Time [PDT] -0800 GMT.**
My post; Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:34:46 GMT [2:34 AM my time]
Greenwich, England; Home of World Time since 1884.
Also known as Zulu Time and UTC - Universal Time. :blush:)
 
M

mrtee

"practice:" yeilds (best match)


"
CDSETUP-Installing Step By Step Practice Files
Applies To
This article was previously published under Q241983
SYMPTOMS
The Step By Step setup application did not install the Practice files needed for each lesson.
RESOLUTION
You can install the Step By Step Practice files, without using the setup application, by following these steps:
1.. Place the Step By Step CD-ROM in the CD-ROM drive.
2.. From the desktop, double-click the My Computer icon.
3.. Double-click the CD-ROM drive.
4.. Locate the folder titled "[Product] SBS Practice."
5.. Right-click the SBS Practice folder and select Copy.
6.. Return to the desktop by minimizing all applications. Right-click the desktop and select Paste to copy the Practice files to this new location.
7.. The files are now available for use from the desktop.
MORE INFORMATION
For more information on Step by Step installation procedures see the following articles:

241984 CDSETUP-How to View a Step by Step CD's Audiovisual Files

241986 CDSETUP-How to View a Step by Step CD's Appendix Files

The information in this article applies to:
a.. the operating system: Microsoft Windows 95
b.. the operating system: Microsoft Windows 98
c.. the operating system: Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition
d.. the operating system: Microsoft Windows NT 4.0
e.. the operating system: Microsoft Windows 2000
Last Reviewed: 5/28/2003 (2.0)
Keywords: kbprb KB241983





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Must be a folder installed by your OEM.

--
Just my 2¢ worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
| Hello Wes,
|
| I was wondering if *anybody* is aware of the existence of
| "Step By Step Interactive" training which is included
| with Windows XP.
|
| Whenever I post detailed answers, it is because those
| answers are *not* easy to locate in "Help & Support".
| Otherwise, I just give brief directions into H & S.
|
| How/where do you see I am in the same time zone as you
| are? The date/time-stamp on posts is based on the local
| time in Redmond, Washington, USA (deduced from comparing
| date/time-stamp on my posts with the actual time I posted).
|
| Jan
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Hello Jan;
| > Thanks for the reply, but I think you missed the
| sarcasm of my reply. What
| >I meant was that since a large number of people come here
| to ask questions, that are easily answered with Help, they
| must NOT have Help and Support on their machines. Half of
| what I post as answers is copied and pasted from Help.
|
| To answer your question. I use the Classic Start Menu.
| Start/Help and Support/type topic/ENTER/choose from
| list/click/read/done.
|
| >Wes ;o)
|
| I see you are in the same time zone as I am. Are you in
| the US or Canada?
| >
| >| >> Hello Wes,
| >>
| >> | many copies of Windows XP have
| >> | shipped without the Help and Support option.
| >>
| >> Does your XP include "Step By Step Interactive" help
| >> which is invoked by "Practice:" topics in
| >> [Start] | Help and Support |, or is launched from
| >> [Start] | Programs | Accessories | MS Interactive
| Training
| >>
| >> It is on my OEM XP Pro.
| >>
| >> Jan
|
 
W

Wesley VogelX

Jan;
I appreciate your replies. My advice: use a real newsreader, dump CDO and
use OE. I have had no disruptions, the only problem I experienced was a
smaller number of posts. I have been practicing since Windows 3.11. Actually,
since Commodore C64 GEOS. :blush:) I practice every time I boot-up. ;-)
Wes

__Jan said:
Hello Wes,

Your input is very helpful.
This CDO deal is confusing to me.
Everybody is (e-mail address removed)

Prior to the severe disruptions in accessing these
newsgroups via the web interface earlier this month,
(I was locked out of windowsxp.customize for seven days)
the "Sender's E-mail:" field when [New Post]ing or
[Post Reply]ing was blank.

Since then, the web interface has been redesigned.
One change is that the default setting in the
"Sender's E-mail:" field is now
(e-mail address removed), in keeping with
the advice given in the recent posts - Subject:
"Reducing Spam Associated with Posting to Newsgroups"
From: "Microsoft Communities Team [MSFT]"
<[email protected]>


[Start]
Programs |
Accessories |
MS Interactive Training |

This may also be invoked by "Practice:" topics in
[Start] | Help and Support |

Jan

-----Original Message-----
Hello Jan;
Thanks for the input. This CDO deal is confusing to
me. Everybody is (e-mail address removed).
And now I learn that they all have the same Time Zone. :blush:
( Well I dare to be different. I am not
(e-mail address removed). Nor could you get me
Just CDO, not all posts. Copied and pasted the following. I
tracked down the country either using whois or the suffix in the e-
mail address or from what the poster said in the message. I get
all kinds, i.e. Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:54:37 -0400 {Canada}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:09:32 -0600 {US}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:25:32 EDT {US}
Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:18:07 MDT {US}
Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:50:32 +0100 {UK}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:42:21 +0300 {Russia}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:57:40 -0500 {US}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:39:12 +0530 {New
Delhi,India} Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:47:52 +0700
{INDONESIA}
Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:22:30 +1000 {Kiev, Ukraine }
Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:37 +0400 {Russia}
Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:11:01 +0200 {Netherlands}
Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:28:26 +1300 {New Zealand}
13 Oct 2003 17:22:27 +0000 (UTC) {UK}
Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:33:42 +0200 {Austria}
Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:23:17 +1000 {Australia}
I don't know how it is now, but Russia used to have eleven Time
Zones. ;o)
I don't know what it is, so I doubt very much that I have it.
Please let me know what it is, as I doubt you are in reference to
the SANTA BARBARA SURF IMPLEMENT. Although this might be handy to
use. ;-) Wes
-----Original Message-----
Hello Jan;
You are -0700 GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) right?
--No--
That's Mountain Daylight
Time [MDT] (US & Canada). I am in the US, Colorado. MDT.
Right click message/Properties/Details tab/Message Source
button/Your post;
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:57:44 -0700. [i.e. 7:57:54 PM MDT.]
**Redmond, Washington, USA is Pacific Daylight Time [PDT]
-0800 GMT.**
My post; Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:34:46 GMT [2:34
AM my time]
Greenwich, England; Home of World Time since 1884.
Also known as Zulu Time and UTC - Universal Time. :blush:)
Wes
 
W

Wesley VogelX

Jeff;
Thank you, oh, so very much for the information. I see now that it is,
"Just my 2¢ worth." I guess you owed me something for that advice. :blush:) I am
enrolled in a Sped Redin' Curse. This will take up most of my time. So I will
have to forego the SBS Practice. I am going out to my garage now to see if my
C64 is still out there.
Wes
 
M

mrtee

I have a TI 99-4A in my attic, along with a dot matrix printer and other assorted junk for it.

BTW I don't think that _Jan will change to a newsreader, had a dialogue with _Jan previously about the same subject.

--
Just my 2¢ worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
| Jeff;
| Thank you, oh, so very much for the information. I see now that it is,
| "Just my 2¢ worth." I guess you owed me something for that advice. :blush:) I am
| enrolled in a Sped Redin' Curse. This will take up most of my time. So I will
| have to forego the SBS Practice. I am going out to my garage now to see if my
| C64 is still out there.
| Wes
 
J

__Jan

Hello Wes,

What happens when you...

[Start]
| Programs |
| Accessories |
| MS Interactive Training |

Jan
 
J

__Jan

Hello Jeff,

Question 1:
----------
What happens when you...

[Start]
| Programs |
| Accessories |
| MS Interactive Training |

------

| "practice:" yeilds (best match) <SNIP />

Question 2:
----------
What happens when you click on a topic in
[Start] | Help and Support |
which says "Practice: <-something->"

Jan


---This is what I asked---
| Does your XP include "Step By Step Interactive" help
| which is invoked by "Practice:" topics in
| [Start] | Help and Support |,
|
| or is launched from
| [Start] | Programs | Accessories |
| | MS Interactive Training |
|
| It is on my OEM XP Pro.
-----

-----Original Message-----
"practice:" yeilds (best match)

<SNIP />
 
M

mrtee

1. That program is not there.
2. There is no practice. That is what I typed in the search box.
3. The "Step by Step Interactive Training" that you refer to must be a program installed by your OEM.

--
Just my 2¢ worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
| Hello Jeff,
|
| Question 1:
| ----------
| What happens when you...
|
| [Start]
| | Programs |
| | Accessories |
| | MS Interactive Training |
|
| ------
|
| | "practice:" yeilds (best match) <SNIP />
|
| Question 2:
| ----------
| What happens when you click on a topic in
| [Start] | Help and Support |
| which says "Practice: <-something->"
|
| Jan
|
|
| ---This is what I asked---
| | Does your XP include "Step By Step Interactive" help
| | which is invoked by "Practice:" topics in
| | [Start] | Help and Support |,
| |
| | or is launched from
| | [Start] | Programs | Accessories |
| | | MS Interactive Training |
| |
| | It is on my OEM XP Pro.
| -----
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >"practice:" yeilds (best match)
|
| <SNIP />
 

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