New Intel 64 bit processors

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Galen said:
I suppose someone might fudge the benchmarks but either way I've been
impressed with this the AMD Athlon XP 3200+...

It's fast enough, stable enough, and though it seems to run a bit hotter
than I'd like but that doesn't seem to bother it. The only thing I have
cooling that chip is a Thermaltake Volcano 8 sink and a fan. Maybe I should
look into a different cooling supply at some point? I'm not too worried
about it though. I'll stick with AMD until I'm given evidence to support
changing to a different manufacturer. As for the 64 bit, I'd only use the
AMD64 at this point. I do want to check out an HT though as I've not had the
chance to do so yet.
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I have got a AMD 2500XP running on a Abit NF7-s V1 motherboard and it
will do me for a while. the main problem I have is with software or one
bit of software, it got the name Windows in it.

I built a computer for my neighbour last year using the AMD Opteron and
boy do it move. I am not sure what the difference is between that CPu
and the newer 64bit ones. But it was flaming expensive.

My heatsink and fan cost me 9GBP and it keeps my cpu at about 40 C when
the CPU is going at full pelt. So it is not bad for the price.
I did try and overclock it once, but the board did not like it, I think
it had something to do with duel channel memory.
Anyway, it is fast enough, it is just the stabilty is the problem. I
have changed over to using Windows ME for a little bit to see what it is
like on this machine. Everything is so much faster now, than when I was
using XP. The only problem is the serial hard drive, the drivers for the
SATA is a little dicey on ME.

We will see what happens in the next few days, you never know, i may end
up going back to XP, but it is sure nice to see Windows media player 7
again., better than 8,9 or 10.
 
Chris said:
Hi, at least AMD can make 90nm CPU's without steam coming from them
:-)......
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I really do not know why peoples computer get so hot anyway, in a warm
country maybe, but my mate got a AMD 3000xp and his system is running at
the 50 mark when it is idle. I never have had a problem with heat.
 
I just made the switch from Intel to AMD I was a die hard Intel fan until I
got my wife a notebook with an Athlon 2800+ Mobile, works great without a
problem.
I went with a Athlon 64 3500+ socket 939 on a Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe and I am
very impressed with it so far.
 
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We will see what happens in the next few days, you never know, i may
end up going back to XP, but it is sure nice to see Windows media
player 7 again., better than 8,9 or 10.
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I put Windows ME on an AMD64 and it went like a screaming demon. It was
blazing fast for the short time that it was on there. I couldn't get a
single modem to work with it (even though the AMD has good legacy support, I
blame me for it and not taking the time to research it fully or having the
desire to look into it further, it was mostly for entertainment anyhow.) and
didn't take the time to do the updates to slow the booting down or the like.
I only booted it a couple of times to play with it. I did NOT use the SATA
drives with it, I used ATA 133's (I know, I know, but to make it worse I'm a
Maxtor fan... Give them some space in your case and they'll outlast a
Seagate in my experiences. LOL Please, no flames... I should know better but
I've honestly had no issues. Then again I also like Windows ME, it's my
second favorite OS after XP Pro.) That board too was a GigaByte. I've pretty
much fallen in love with the GigaByte boards and AMD chip combinations. I
don't overclock too often these days, there's no point in it for me.
(Instead I go for case mods and pretty lights and things like Enermax system
monitors which are much cooler than overclocking in my opinion.)

I really worry about heat. My AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (the one in question and
the one I've been on about) is currently kicking at about 114 degrees
Fahrenheit or a bit above 45.5 Celcius. It's a bit higher than I'd like but
it seems like it's stable enough. I've never had a BSOD with it due to
something hardware related. I've had only one BSOD that I recall and that
was after I'd updated it, installing the latest nVidia drivers made it never
go away. I've never had it stop due to heat so I guess it's okay. I've
looked at some of the cooling blocks available and had thought about going
with a radiator type setup but it's seemingly stable as it is. Besides,
there's really not that much more room in the case...

I live in a very cold area of the world. I guess that doesn't have much to
do with it. My home is heated to the comfort zone and that's about it. I
don't even have the "aggressive" option enabled in my CMOS. I use slim
cables instead of ribbons, I keep them out of the way, there are three fans
in this particular case, and there's enough air space. The lights are
cathode so surely not putting out that much heat. I think, perhaps, that a
lot of the heat is coming off of the power supply (Enermax 550 Watt supply)
and radiating through the case, to be honest though I don't really have any
idea. I've heard (but don't own any new Intel chips so I can't compare
personally) that AMD runs much hotter than Intel anyhow. So long as it works
I don't mind really.

I must wonder about any proof of such things. Basically I'm now an AMD man
because right now AMD has my fancy. Should Intel (or another company) take
the lead and provide solid performance numbers at a decent price I'm willing
to convert. I'm not brand specific, as I mentioned, I'm simply performance
oriented. Feel free to flame about liking Maxtor too ;) I don't mind and I
probably deserve it. LOL Everyone I know who is into computers hates Maxtor
and Windows ME. They're two of my favorite things. If it wasn't for XP I'd
still be using ME as my basic OS and Maxtor drives hold up well for me while
I've had more than one Seagate kick the bucket without warning. So much for
S.M.A.R.T. doing any good :/

Galen

--

"My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me
the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am
in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial
stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for
mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes
 
DarkElldar said:
I just made the switch from Intel to AMD I was a die hard Intel fan until I
got my wife a notebook with an Athlon 2800+ Mobile, works great without a
problem.
I went with a Athlon 64 3500+ socket 939 on a Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe and I am
very impressed with it so far.
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Great another convert.
I keep trying to get a mate of mine to convert, but he got this idea
that AMD is no good for producing music. Ok, so AMd had some problems a
few years back with floating point, but that have been solved now.
 
Galen said:
I put Windows ME on an AMD64 and it went like a screaming demon. It was
blazing fast for the short time that it was on there. I couldn't get a
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I bet it was, if ME was a 64 bit Os, it would be even faster.

single modem to work with it (even though the AMD has good legacy support, I
blame me for it and not taking the time to research it fully or having the
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That is strange, I know I have not got a 64bit chip, but my modem works
ok, not that I use it very often, it is only for a back up dial up or
for fax.

desire to look into it further, it was mostly for entertainment anyhow.) and
didn't take the time to do the updates to slow the booting down or the like.
I only booted it a couple of times to play with it. I did NOT use the SATA
drives with it, I used ATA 133's (I know, I know, but to make it worse I'm a
Maxtor fan... Give them some space in your case and they'll outlast a
Seagate in my experiences. LOL Please, no flames... I should know better but
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I got two SATA Maxtors in my computer, great drives, no problems at all,
I have built 5 computers for different people in the last 5 weeks and I
put Maxtor in them all. I like Maxtor. I did not used to as they was
noisy and slow, but they have improved.

I've honestly had no issues. Then again I also like Windows ME, it's my
second favorite OS after XP Pro.) That board too was a GigaByte. I've pretty
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TBH, I prefer win98 to ME, but Me was at hand and it makes using USB
hardware easier.

much fallen in love with the GigaByte boards and AMD chip combinations. I
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I never had a Gigabyte board. TBH, I have not really stuck with one
manufacture.
PC-Chips was my first board with a Cyrix 166 chip, then I had a lucky
star, which had a 233 AMD, then a 266 AMD. after that I updated to a
Soyo and a AMD k6-3 400Mhhz, then a Epox with a AMD Athlon 1000Mhz,
leading up to this machine which has a Abit board in with a 2500 AMD XP
chip.
I hated the Epox board, the worse mother board of the lot, it is now
hanging on my computer room wall.
If I update to another P.C, then I think I will go with Abit again, this
board have been great, very stable. considering it is the version one
and I was told it had lots of problems.
don't overclock too often these days, there's no point in it for me.
(Instead I go for case mods and pretty lights and things like Enermax system
monitors which are much cooler than overclocking in my opinion.)
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I stopped over clocking now, the system is stable as it is. I got some
lights inside the box and a nice LED fan, but i want to get a decent
case, instead of the cheap 14UKpound thing I got.
Not worried about lights or windows, I just want something that will
last longer.


I really worry about heat. My AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (the one in question and
the one I've been on about) is currently kicking at about 114 degrees
Fahrenheit or a bit above 45.5 Celcius. It's a bit higher than I'd like but
it seems like it's stable enough. I've never had a BSOD with it due to
something hardware related. I've had only one BSOD that I recall and that
was after I'd updated it, installing the latest nVidia drivers made it never
go away. I've never had it stop due to heat so I guess it's okay. I've
looked at some of the cooling blocks available and had thought about going
with a radiator type setup but it's seemingly stable as it is. Besides,
there's really not that much more room in the case...
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I was thinking of water cooling once, but it is so expensive and I I do
not really think they are as good as people says. The other thing is
water and electric is not good, if a pip burst, you have had it. Someone
down the road from me got water cooling and it is still noisy due to the
pump and fan.

I live in a very cold area of the world. I guess that doesn't have much to
do with it. My home is heated to the comfort zone and that's about it. I
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Yes, that is another problem.

don't even have the "aggressive" option enabled in my CMOS. I use slim
cables instead of ribbons, I keep them out of the way, there are three fans
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Same here, I use round cables, but they still seem to get in the way.

in this particular case, and there's enough air space. The lights are
cathode so surely not putting out that much heat. I think, perhaps, that a
lot of the heat is coming off of the power supply (Enermax 550 Watt supply)
and radiating through the case, to be honest though I don't really have any
idea. I've heard (but don't own any new Intel chips so I can't compare
personally) that AMD runs much hotter than Intel anyhow. So long as it works
I don't mind really.
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I think AMD do run hotter or they did, not sure about now mind you. Have
you got any case fans? I got two at the back of the case, pulling air
out of the case. My way of thinking is that if you pull the hot air out
of the back of the case, then cool; air must come in from the front. I
could be wrong, but it seems to make sense to me.
When I get my new case, I am going to buy the quietest fans I can get
and may change my heat sink and fan, but then that is not where the
noise comes from.

I must wonder about any proof of such things. Basically I'm now an AMD man
because right now AMD has my fancy. Should Intel (or another company) take
the lead and provide solid performance numbers at a decent price I'm willing
to convert. I'm not brand specific, as I mentioned, I'm simply performance
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I will never buy an Intel, I do not like the company and they way they
work. So if they come out with the vest CPU ever, I would still stay
with AMD. Mind you I have got one computer here with an Intel chip in,
an Acer with a 233 in. I did not buy it, I was given it.
I also got 2 old 233 AMD based machines, I think it is time to get rid
of these, give them away to a charity or something.



oriented. Feel free to flame about liking Maxtor too ;) I don't mind and I
probably deserve it. LOL Everyone I know who is into computers hates Maxtor
and Windows ME. They're two of my favorite things. If it wasn't for XP I'd
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Nothing wrong with Maxtors, I think they work very well.
I had a 20GB seagate and it was returned to seagate 8 times in 3 years,
the strange thing was that the drives they sent me was never the same
one and they just failed. It is now in a friends computer and it been
working in her machine now for 2 years, so maybe it was my Epox board
that was mucking it up. I still got 3 seagates, a 80gig in this machine
which is used for storage, a 120Gig in a USB caddy and a 6 Gig in my
400MHz machine. But I think the 6gig is failing, so I may buy another
120Gig drive for this computer and stick the 80 gig in the 400Mhz.
still be using ME as my basic OS and Maxtor drives hold up well for me while
I've had more than one Seagate kick the bucket without warning. So much for
S.M.A.R.T. doing any good :/
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I am not found of ME, seems to have more problems than 98, I must admit
I do like Windows XP, it is just the holes that get on my nerves. XP is
normally very stable as long as I keep SP2 off it. I even made a version
that was slipstreamed with SP2, thinking that may work better, but no.
I never have smart on, on my Nephews old computer, it seemed to slow the
machine down, so I never used it again.
 
Hi, I don't think that the Athlon XP's actually run any hotter. What you
might find is that the method of reading the CPU temperature changed from
the external diode to the internal probe, thus giving the impression that it
was running hot...
ChrisC
 
Chris said:
Hi, I don't think that the Athlon XP's actually run any hotter. What you
might find is that the method of reading the CPU temperature changed from
the external diode to the internal probe, thus giving the impression that it
was running hot...
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No idea, I have never had an Intel machine to compare it with. All i
know is that my computer is running at a decent temp.
 
AMD has come a long way. I did have an AMD 386/40 at one time it did work
well. It took some time for them to get their FPU up to snuff but now Intel
has had to call on them for 64 bit x86.
 
DarkElldar said:
AMD has come a long way. I did have an AMD 386/40 at one time it did work
well. It took some time for them to get their FPU up to snuff but now Intel
has had to call on them for 64 bit x86.
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The FPU was a problem with AMD, it did not bother me, as it never
affected anything I was doing. But it is now much better.
I still will not buy Intel, I went to get a modem once from our local
store, I got it home, found it had an Intel chip and took it back. They
moaned a bit, when I told them the reason, but they eventully changed it
for a Motorola based modem.
 
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