New file management software

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boatman312 said:
Bloatware??? Have you ever tried it? Up until the last version, it fit
on a friggin'
floppy disk. On my computer, it loads in under a second. With 10 drive
tabs open.
Yes, it's powerful, but the simple operations are easy, with mouse or
keyboard shortcuts.
A lot easier than with Windows Explorer.

How difficult is it to use Windows Explorer to do basic file management?
Yes, I think I tried it (and Norton Commander) some time back, and said,
thanks, but no thanks.

If you're going to use another file manager on those rare occasions where
you may actually "need" it, I'd recommend XYplorer or xplorer2.

Or we could go back to the days of Xtree and Ztree...
 
How difficult is it to use Windows Explorer to do basic file management?
Yes, I think I tried it (and Norton Commander) some time back, and said,
thanks, but no thanks.

If you're going to use another file manager on those rare occasions where
you may actually "need" it, I'd recommend XYplorer or xplorer2.

Or we could go back to the days of Xtree and Ztree...
I find Explorer a pain in the butt for what I do constantly: Create and
expand zip files. FTP to a web server. Search within thousands of
files for text to match. Create lists of files that I can act on
individually. Rename multiple files in a batch process, including
finding certain characters and adding numbering. And a lot more. Sure,
I could do all that with free programs, but it would take a lot more
work and time. They pay me to work efficiently.
 
thanatoid wrote:

If he is so ignorant he can't use Windows Explorer, he
doesn't deserve to use a computer.

A monkey could use WE. And wouldn't know it's better not to.
Total Commander is more bloatware. I suppose you liked
Norton Commander?

I used XtreeGold, I never used NC but I know that it was a
considerable improvement over the MS-DOS command line AFA file
mgmt - you obviously have no clue what that even is. How many
partitions do you have? Do you even know what a partition IS?

You are a perfect example of the morons XP and 6/6.1 (AKA Bob
2/2.1) were designed for.
 
How difficult is it to use Windows Explorer to do basic
file management?

Define "basic". Yes, it can do what idiots think is ALL that CAN
be done, which is why it was designed this way to begin with.
Yes, I think I tried it (and Norton Commander) some time
back, and said,
thanks, but no thanks.

If you're going to use another file manager on those rare
occasions where you may actually "need" it, I'd recommend
XYplorer or xplorer2.

You think putting a new suit on your smelly carcass makes you
less of a moron?
Or we could go back to the days of Xtree and Ztree...

Which were/are both zillions times better than WE or its
pathetic clones.
 
thanatoid said:
A monkey could use WE. And wouldn't know it's better not to.



Nonsense.
It's just a matter of being flexible enough to be able to fully use the
right tool for the right job. Just like when I explained about using ERUNT
vs System Restore, but you probably didn't understand that.

I used XtreeGold, I never used NC but I know that it was a
considerable improvement over the MS-DOS command line



I've used Xtree and XtreeGold. Xtree came before XtreeGold, but that may
have predated your experience. As for NC, that's another story.

AFA file mgmt - you obviously have no clue what that even is.


As much - if not more so - than you, I'd bet. Have you ever done any
programming in machine or assembly language, or even worked with the
hardware? I've also worked a lot in DOS too. But, unlike you, find
Windows Explorer does a lot of what I need. I don't always need third
party "helper apps" to do most of the basic file management. (But there are
some notable exceptions, however, like for multiple file renaming, or
tagging directories, and selective copies, deletes, and moves, etc, but
again, that's another case). That still doesn't negate the fact that
Windows Explorer IS a decent file manager, contrary to your statement.

How many partitions do you have?


4 on this drive (main one is NTFS, the other three are FAT32), one partition
on my secondary internal SATA with unallocated space on the rest at this
point, two equal size FAT32 partitions on an external USB enclosure drive,
and two partitions on another external drive, with one being NTFS and the
other being FAT32, assuming you can follow and understand that.

Do you even know what a partition IS?


Sure. It's a section of a room.

I've also used XYplorer and xplorer2 on some occasions, but most
of the time, Windows Explorer works fine for me.


Weren't YOU the one who had the "problem" of where programs installed
themselves in XP, and are still trying to handle that?
 
thanatoid wrote:


Nonsense.

No, it's true. Monkey being used figuratively, of course.
It's just a matter of being flexible enough to be able to
fully use the right tool for the right job. Just like
when I explained about using ERUNT vs System Restore, but
you probably didn't understand that.

I did but I prefer Acronis.
I've used Xtree and XtreeGold. Xtree came before
XtreeGold, but that may have predated your experience. As
for NC, that's another story.

YOU brought it up. And I know Xtree came before XTG, I've used
almost all of them IIRC. Once it became a Win 3.1 program, it
became garbage. I still use the last DOS version and it is one
of the best programs I've ever used.
As much - if not more so - than you, I'd bet.

No one who has any idea what file mgmt involves can use WE and
be happy with what it claims it does - which isn't much to begin
with.
Have you
ever done any programming in machine or assembly language,
or even worked with the hardware? I've also worked a lot
in DOS too.

I am SO impressed, O Learned One. Guess what? None of that is
relevant, you're still stupid, and WE is still NOT a file
manager.
But, unlike you, find Windows Explorer does a
lot of what I need.

See above paragraph.
I don't always need third party
"helper apps" to do most of the basic file management.

Because you don't know what file mgmt is.
(But there are some notable exceptions, however, like for
multiple file renaming, or tagging directories, and
selective copies, deletes, and moves, etc, but again,
that's another case)

Ah. /THAT'S/ another case, huh? Guess what? THAT'S file mgmt.
That still doesn't negate the fact
that Windows Explorer IS a decent file manager, contrary to
your statement.

Whatever. No cure for ignorance and stupidity - no offense.
4 on this drive (main one is NTFS, the other three are
FAT32), one partition on my secondary internal SATA with
unallocated space on the rest at this point, two equal size
FAT32 partitions on an external USB enclosure drive, and
two partitions on another external drive, with one being
NTFS and the other being FAT32, assuming you can follow and
understand that.

Yes, but I would like to see how long it takes you to
create/delete dirs and move stuff around and see stuff in branch
view and compare files by content with WE.

(BTW, you don't have enough partitions on all those drives - I
doubt they're 40GB drives, too.)

Weren't YOU the one who had the "problem" of where programs
installed themselves in XP, and are still trying to handle
that?

If I install in/from the XP partition, of course they install
themselves there. And I don't recall having that "problem". I DO
have a problem with all the "user accounts", idiotic
redundancies, general incomprehensibility and "shut your eyes,
MS will take you to heaven" attitude of XP+ but as you like to
say "that'another matter".
 
snipped out: your statement: "Windows Explorer is not a file manager"
(which it is)
a little selective editing there, eh?? Kinda reminds me of ... Sarah
Palin...
No, it's true. Monkey being used figuratively, of course.


I did but I prefer Acronis.

I use ALL three, as prudent. IOW, the most appropriate tool for the job at
hand. (I know, it's a difficult concept...).
YOU brought it up. And I know Xtree came before XTG, I've used
almost all of them IIRC. Once it became a Win 3.1 program, it
became garbage. I still use the last DOS version and it is one
of the best programs I've ever used.



No one who has any idea what file mgmt involves can use WE and
be happy with what it claims it does - which isn't much to begin with.

What it "claims it does"???? What, is Bill Gates saying something in here?
It does the basic stuff.
I am SO impressed, O Learned One. Guess what? None of that is
relevant, and WE is still NOT a file manager.

Nonsense. What do you think it is??? A media player?
See above paragraph.


Because you don't know what file mgmt is.

Actually, I do, but I don't see it from such a limited viewpoint as you do,
as all or nothing.
Ah. /THAT'S/ another case, huh? Guess what? THAT'S file mgmt.

It's ALL file management: file copies, deletes, moves, whatever. And yes,
Windows Explorer is a "file manager".
Whatever. No cure for ignorance and stupidity - no offense.

Projection, it seems. One size fits all? You're not a Tea Partier, are
ya? :-)
Yes, but I would like to see how long it takes you to
create/delete dirs and move stuff around and see stuff in branch
view and compare files by content with WE.

As I said, I'll use the right tool for the right job, and not just the "one
tool fits all" (I know, it's such an advanced concept). That's why I also
have XYplorer and xplorer2. I like having various tools at my disposal.
(BTW, you don't have enough partitions on all those drives - I
doubt they're 40GB drives, too.)

Actually, a couple of them (my older ones) are indeed about that size. So
your doubts were misplaced.
If I install in/from the XP partition, of course they install
themselves there. And I don't recall having that "problem". I DO
have a problem with all the "user accounts", idiotic
redundancies, general incomprehensibility and "shut your eyes,
MS will take you to heaven" attitude of XP+ but as you like to
say "that'another matter".

Then go back to Win98SE. I still have it on my second computer, if you
want it.
No not really - I still want it). But: "when in Rome..." THATs the way
Windows XP operates, whether you like it or not. You have to give up *some*
of the control you had in Win98SE. If you still believe otherwise, you
being quixotic. But that said, I've tamed WinXP down quite a bit from its
dumb default install look and feel.
 
snipped out: your statement: "Windows Explorer is not a
file manager" (which it is)
a little selective editing there, eh?? Kinda reminds me
of ... Sarah Palin...

Don't be more of a moron than you are already are. Everybody
who's wasted their time reading this thread knows what I think.

For those with a short memory, here:

Windows Explorer is NOT a file manager. It is a torture device
whose primary function is to prevent a new computer user from
understanding the basic principles of file and directory
organization, to keep him/her as ignorant as possible, and to
allow only the most basic of functions, the execution of which
is designed to be as troublesome as possible.


First, you have to know what the right tool is. I only use MShit
because I was raised on it starting in 87 and have worked with
it 5-12 hours a day between 90 and now. This is not to imply I
am knowledgeable, I am NOT, there are an awful lot of things I
have no clue about, but I do know what works and what doesn't.

That's why the ONLY MS product on any of my machines is the OS -
because after all this time I have managed to make it/them work
like they should - largely using free applications written by
people who care about more than money and monopolies.

I played with Macs and it just wasn't worth the bother. This was
before Linux.
I use ALL three, as prudent. IOW, the most appropriate
tool for the job at hand. (I know, it's a difficult
concept...).

You are SUCH a clueless ****. (Sorry about the insults -
sometimes there is just nothing else left to say.)

What it "claims it does"???? What, is Bill Gates saying
something in here? It does the basic stuff.

Basic stuff is not enough for anyone with brains. "My Documents"
/is/ for brainless XP users.
Nonsense. What do you think it is??? A media player?

Read my definition above.
Actually, I do, but I don't see it from such a limited
viewpoint as you do, as all or nothing.

No, it either does what one needs or it does not. WE does the
merest basics, makes it as difficult... (see above).
It's ALL file management: file copies, deletes, moves,
whatever. And yes, Windows Explorer is a "file manager".

No it is not. It can't do one 50th of what TC and a few other
file managers which approach TC in usefulness and functionality
can do (they also require brains which are no longer something
that the majority of computers users have, not since the
computer became just another entertainment device for the living
room).

OK, I'll meet you halfway. WE is the most basic, pathetic, made-
for-morons (like all Windows OS's after 2000) excuse for a file
manager. Happier now?
Projection, it seems. One size fits all? You're not a
Tea Partier, are ya? :-)

I fail to see the connection.
As I said, I'll use the right tool for the right job, and
not just the "one tool fits all" (I know, it's such an
advanced concept).

I do NOT like "one tool for all the jobs" idea, in fact that's
one of my main issues with MS's approach to software design.

However, when I do file mgmt, I DO like to use a tool that will
do what I need. If you haven't understood by now why file
comparison by content is part of file mgmt, there is not much
else to be said. Put on your dunce hat and stand in the corner.
That's why I also have XYplorer and
xplorer2. I like having various tools at my disposal.

"Tools"? Do you also have 7 browsers and 5 image editing
programs, and all Office suites there are? But I bet you don't
even know how to set up styles and create content indexes.
Actually, a couple of them (my older ones) are indeed about
that size. So your doubts were misplaced.

Curious way of putting it. Still, I had 16 partitions on a 40GB
drive, an arrangement I miss and the need for which you are
clearly incapable of comprehending.
Then go back to Win98SE. I still have it on my second
computer, if you want it.

I *AM* on Win98SE Lite, it's what I use for EVERYTHING
(including the stupid internet) except a stupid analog video
capture card which is from 2009 and has NO drivers earlier than
XP. That was the ONLY reason I installed XP. When the day comes
I can no longer run 98SE Lite, I am going Linux.
No not really - I still want it). But: "when in Rome..."
THATs the way Windows XP operates, whether you like it or
not. You have to give up *some* of the control you had in
Win98SE. If you still believe otherwise, you being
quixotic. But that said, I've tamed WinXP down quite a
bit from its dumb default install look and feel.

So have I, and the fact we both had to put in a fair bit of
effort proves XP is an OS designed for idiots who call
directories folders and think a file is a partition.

I don't know if you spent any time in 9x groups before they
pretty much died, but the level of knowledge and expertise there
compared to the XP groups is quite astonishing. These groups are
full of clueless idiots who can't even Google, and has MAYBE 5
people who know what they're talking about, and are too polite
(unlike a thanatoid) to call stupidity by its proper name.

Anyway, WE still sucks and will forever.

Also, I've had enough. Unless you come up with something REALLY
interesting, I am no longer replying. This is totally pointless.

(BTW, by using Earthlink you are contributing to Scientology.
Just FYI.)
 
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