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[Paul]

I don't know anything about CCC (not even what it is), but the
statement "Software which is not being used, should not burn up RAM
for nothing" is generally incorrect.

Yes, a program which is started uses RAM, but if other programs need
RAM, and the program in question is not used, the memory that it uses
very quickly gets paged out and has no impact on performance at all.
What gets paged out is the least-recently-used memory.

Do you think it is reasonable for a control panel you're not
using at the moment, to consume 50MB, whether paged or not ?
I don't. Especially when the version before CCC came out
was not like that. But such is the price of progress.

I used to work on a CAD computer, that did everything a designer
could ever wish for, with a 32MB footprint. The people writing
the software, were whipped mercilessly by their management,
until all the software fit within that footprint. I guess
all the guys with whips are retired

Paul

 

[mm]

For anything non-trivial, you should have the control panel installed.

And that would include doing things like setting up multiple monitors.

Good. So I needed it.

I just change OSes, as my Win2K boot disk has CCC installed and
I can test multiple monitor configurations there if I need to.

One reason for not using CCC, is it wastes RAM when it loads. That
is my philosophical objection to using it. Software which is not
being used, should not burn up RAM for nothing. My attitude might have
been different, if a lightweight process sat there waiting for me
to click the CCC icon, and then loaded the software at that
point in time. That would mean most of the time, I'd get to keep
my RAM for more useful things.

Well, I don't think I normally load it, but I'm not positive. It
gives an option to put an icon in the systray, but I have that turned
off, and I will use an icon on the desktop on the rare times I plan to
use it. I'm expecting that now that I have set it, the tv output will
work without starting it. Yes, I think so. I changed the station on
the DVDR to E1 and the TV connected to it shows my computer screen.

I don't think I started CCC this session, but I'm not positive. I'll
reboot if you want to know for sure.

Right nown in cntl-alt-delete there is running AT2EVXX.exe with 1,284K
and a second occurrence with 736K mem usage. I don't know why they
are running. (I wrote this before I checked my DVDR/TV output. I guess
I could close these processes and watch if the tv picture disappeared.
Well, I stopped the smaller one and the picture is just as good as it
was. The larger entry seems to have disappeared when I stopped the
smaller one.) And is there a way to tell if they have been swapped
out???

Nothing to do with RAM but both listed as zero percent of cpu. The
only cpu users are Firefox, from 50-90%, Windows Media player 5% (I"m
listening to Gunsmoke from 1952), explorer up to 1%, task manager up
to 2%, Agent up to 4 percent (I'm typing in Agent now)

 

[Paul]

Good. So I needed it.


Well, I don't think I normally load it, but I'm not positive. It
gives an option to put an icon in the systray, but I have that turned
off, and I will use an icon on the desktop on the rare times I plan to
use it. I'm expecting that now that I have set it, the tv output will
work without starting it. Yes, I think so. I changed the station on
the DVDR to E1 and the TV connected to it shows my computer screen.

I don't think I started CCC this session, but I'm not positive. I'll
reboot if you want to know for sure.

Right nown in cntl-alt-delete there is running AT2EVXX.exe with 1,284K
and a second occurrence with 736K mem usage. I don't know why they
are running. (I wrote this before I checked my DVDR/TV output. I guess
I could close these processes and watch if the tv picture disappeared.
Well, I stopped the smaller one and the picture is just as good as it
was. The larger entry seems to have disappeared when I stopped the
smaller one.) And is there a way to tell if they have been swapped
out???

Nothing to do with RAM but both listed as zero percent of cpu. The
only cpu users are Firefox, from 50-90%, Windows Media player 5% (I"m
listening to Gunsmoke from 1952), explorer up to 1%, task manager up
to 2%, Agent up to 4 percent (I'm typing in Agent now)

I don't think CCC uses any CPU cycles, so it isn't bad from that point
of view. But when I first installed it, I noticed a rather large chunk
of RAM used by having it present.

I evaluate software on a cost/benefit basis. Three things have been
kicked off my computer. ATI CCC. My webcam software (which continues
to run, even if the webcam is unplugged). My printer software (I use
the printer so seldom, I just install the software when needed). The
rest of the software got to stay on the computer, because I got some
benefit from it, and it only used resources while I was actually using it.
The printer and webcam failed in that respect, using resources
when they weren't needed.

What I expect to get with hardware, is unobtrusive drivers, the kind
of drivers where you hardly know they are there. Companies used to
know how to make drivers like that, but I guess they just couldn't
resist the urge to "take over the machine".

Paul

 

[mm]

Well, I started a new session and I know I didn't start anything by
hand this session, and it's still running, 2976K and 2238K, which is
2.5 or so times last time (quoted below)
The picture was fine for 5 or 10 minutes, but then it disappeared from
the monitor! I went to the DVDR in the other room and changed to
External Port 1 and the picture was gone there too! The Listen Live
web-radio was still playing from the computer.

Even cntl-alt-delete wouldn't show up on the screen and Win-U-R didnt'
do anything so I turned the computer off. It wouldn't restart because
it runs a little hot, so I took a bath, and now it's fine again.

But i think ATI2EVXX.exe does something important!

The larger entry seems to have disappeared when I stopped the

I don't think CCC uses any CPU cycles, so it isn't bad from that point
of view. But when I first installed it, I noticed a rather large chunk
of RAM used by having it present.

I evaluate software on a cost/benefit basis. Three things have been
kicked off my computer. ATI CCC. My webcam software (which continues
to run, even if the webcam is unplugged).

I was going to put in a webcam and I wondered about that. I have no
one to talk to who cares what I look like and also would use a
computer to talk on the phone, but I still plan to install it someday.

My printer software (I use
the printer so seldom, I just install the software when needed). The

I plan to use my printer again as soon as I find my refill ink. But
it's been over a year since I printed anything from this one.

rest of the software got to stay on the computer, because I got some
benefit from it, and it only used resources while I was actually using it.
The printer and webcam failed in that respect, using resources
when they weren't needed.

What I expect to get with hardware, is unobtrusive drivers, the kind
of drivers where you hardly know they are there. Companies used to
know how to make drivers like that, but I guess they just couldn't
resist the urge to "take over the machine".

Almost everyone wants to feel important.

 

[Paul]

But i think ATI2EVXX.exe does something important!

http://www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_4.html

"ATI Hotkey Poller (ati2evxx.exe)

Also called the ATI External Event Utility, this service is
primarily needed if you use the ATI Hotkey settings available
in the ATI Catalyst Control Center. However, before disabling
this service note the following:

If you use a third party overclocking utility, you must
disable this service otherwise the utility may not work;

if you have an XT, X1X00 or newer graphics card, disabling
this service can also disable the OverDrive section in the
Control Center, and can also prevent correct clock speeds
being applied in 3D mode;

if you run a laptop with an ATI graphics card, you may need
to keep this service enabled to allow your LCD screen to
switch off properly when the laptop is closed;

if you use Fast User Switching then disabling this service
may also cause problems with that.

If none of the conditions above apply to you, I recommend that
you disable this service."

I'd heard it has something to do with changing clock speed on the
video card, when you start playing a 3D game. But it seems to have
some other functions as well.

HTH,
Paul

 

[mm]

http://www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_4.html

"ATI Hotkey Poller (ati2evxx.exe)

Also called the ATI External Event Utility, this service is
primarily needed if you use the ATI Hotkey settings available

I never use Hotkeys for any of these functions. I never set any
hotkeys and I thought it about it too but didn't know what I would
want to do, hotly or not.

in the ATI Catalyst Control Center. However, before disabling
this service note the following:

If you use a third party overclocking utility, you must
disable this service otherwise the utility may not work;

I'm not doing that.

if you have an XT, X1X00 or newer graphics card, disabling
this service can also disable the OverDrive section in the
Control Center, and can also prevent correct clock speeds
being applied in 3D mode;

I sure don't think I'm doing that. It's just a Radeon ATI 7000 series,
and I don't know anything about overdrive. Wasn't even mentioned in
the CCC. Catalyst Control Center.

if you run a laptop with an ATI graphics card, you may need
to keep this service enabled to allow your LCD screen to
switch off properly when the laptop is closed;

It's not a laptop.

if you use Fast User Switching then disabling this service
may also cause problems with that.

I never switch users. I'm the only user.

If none of the conditions above apply to you, I recommend that
you disable this service."

Thanks for this.

Last time I closed it, my picture went away, but I must say that it
didn't do anything special on restart, like suggesting chkdsk. I
don't why not, but the webradio was playing until I pressed the hard
Reset button on the computer, so I must have turned it off
abnormallly.

I'm willing to end that process again sometimes, but proably not
tonight. I'm sort of tired.

When I check some more, can I put your name in the Subject Line of a
new thread?. I'm not crazy about doing that for some reason, even
though I don't see how it could hurt anyone.

I'd heard it has something to do with changing clock speed on the
video card, when you start playing a 3D game. But it seems to have
some other functions as well.

Maybe one the guy you quote never found.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Do you think it is reasonable for a control panel you're not
using at the moment, to consume 50MB, whether paged or not ?

If you want to have it handy, so whenever you want it, you can get to
it quickly without having to load it, yes I think it's reasonable.
Having 50MB (a small amount of memory, by the way) in the page file
doesn't hurt you.

On the other hand, if you are unlikely to want to use it, then don't
load it. But either way has essentially the same impact on
performance--none.

 

[Paul]

On the other hand, if you are unlikely to want to use it, then don't
load it. But either way has essentially the same impact on
performance--none.

There is actually a penalty. It takes time for that cruft to load
at boot. And that is noticeable.

Paul

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

There is actually a penalty. It takes time for that cruft to load
at boot. And that is noticeable.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a negligible penalty. I, and many
other people, boot once a day, when I get up in the morning. I power
on when I get up, then go get my coffee. When I return, it's done
booting. I don't know how long it took, and I don't care.

Ken

 

[C]

As far as I'm concerned, that's a negligible penalty. I, and many
other people, boot once a day, when I get up in the morning. I power
on when I get up, then go get my coffee. When I return, it's done
booting. I don't know how long it took, and I don't care.

Ken

And if when you return from making your coffee it hasn't loaded and
still hasn't in ten more minutes would you care?

 

[Unknown]

Paging requires time!

I don't know anything about CCC (not even what it is), but the
statement "Software which is not being used, should not burn up RAM
for nothing" is generally incorrect.

Yes, a program which is started uses RAM, but if other programs need
RAM, and the program in question is not used, the memory that it uses
very quickly gets paged out and has no impact on performance at all.
What gets paged out is the least-recently-used memory.

 

[Unknown]

If you want to have it handy, so whenever you want it, you can get to
it quickly without having to load it, yes I think it's reasonable.
Having 50MB (a small amount of memory, by the way) in the page file
doesn't hurt you.

On the other hand, if you are unlikely to want to use it, then don't
load it. But either way has essentially the same impact on
performance--none.

This is an erroneous statement. A program loaded into memory but not
used will have an effect on performance if it causes paging.

 

[Unknown]

What would you do if you didn't drink coffee?

As far as I'm concerned, that's a negligible penalty. I, and many
other people, boot once a day, when I get up in the morning. I power
on when I get up, then go get my coffee. When I return, it's done
booting. I don't know how long it took, and I don't care.

Ken

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

And if when you return from making your coffee it hasn't loaded and
still hasn't in ten more minutes would you care?

Of course I would care. But what you describe is *extremely* unlikely.

 

[C]

Of course I would care. But what you describe is *extremely* unlikely.

I've seen it happen a few times. Power outages and the subsequent switch
to PIO did it.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I've seen it happen a few times. Power outages and the subsequent switch
to PIO did it.

The subject here was the result of loading a particular program.
"Power outages and the subsequent switch to PIO" are irrelevant.

 

[C]

The subject here was the result of loading a particular program.
"Power outages and the subsequent switch to PIO" are irrelevant.

To that yes, but to how long it can take to boot up, no, and your
standard answer to any question about booting up is the above. In
addition, if normally it takes less than a minute and that suddenly
changes to three minutes, one should be concerned.