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[Guest]

Hello

I need some advice/tips/insight on how to accomplish the following items. Also, I am using FrontPage 2003 - Thank You

1) How do I get the left shared border to look at the body length of the page and extend all the way down? Right now I have many "nbsp;" in my left shared border to give it the appearance that it is extended down the left hand side of my pages. This obviously is a problem because the body content on the WebPages I am working with differs in length. I need a way in which the left shared border will be able to "look" at the current length of the body being displayed and adjust accordingly

2) How do I get rid of the default indentation between the left shared border and the body of a page

3) What coding to I add to my external style sheet that will tell every WebPages on the site to have the following specifications: leftmargin="0" and topmargin="0" so that there is no spacing between the WebPages and browser window

 

[Jon Spivey]

Hi,
I don't use shared borders so can't help you with 1 and 2. For 3 you would
add a body rule like this

body{
margin:0;
padding:0;
}

The padding covers Opera - it adds a default padding of about 12 px to a
page. However the above won't work in NN4 - if you want to cover this
browser you still need to add margin declarations to the body tag. You may
prefer to just ignore the default margin in NN4.

Jon
Microsoft MVP - FP

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

For 1 and 2:

When using shared border, you have to learn to deal with the 24 pixel gap between the left or right
shared border and your content if you want to continue to use shared border, same applies to the
length. You have two option to use in place of shared borders, the first is structure your page
layout using table and nested table and FP Include pages, the second available to you because you
are using FP2003, is to use the Dynamic Web Template, which can be combined with the FP Include Page
component.

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Hello,

I need some advice/tips/insight on how to accomplish the following items. Also, I am using FrontPage 2003 - Thank You!

1) How do I get the left shared border to look at the body length of the page and extend all the

way down? Right now I have many "nbsp;" in my left shared border to give it the appearance that it
is extended down the left hand side of my pages. This obviously is a problem because the body
content on the WebPages I am working with differs in length. I need a way in which the left shared
border will be able to "look" at the current length of the body being displayed and adjust
accordingly.

2) How do I get rid of the default indentation between the left shared border and the body of a page?

3) What coding to I add to my external style sheet that will tell every WebPages on the site to

have the following specifications: leftmargin="0" and topmargin="0" so that there is no spacing
between the WebPages and browser window?

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

#1 The background color applied to the shared border page background will only appear for the length
of the left or right shared border, meaning that it will not extend into the top or bottom shared
border areas of the page, if they are being used.

# 2 I still recommend FP Include Pages over shared borders, because of the added flexibility,
however the only drawback, which is a one time drawback, is that you have to manually apply them to
all pages when you first start using them.

I have add them to site of 500 pages and does take awhile, but the what I do is to insert the first
one using the Insert Menu... then I do a copy and paste for all other pages.

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Ok, I can probably deal with the gap between the border and the body, but is there not a way in

which I can have the left shared border automatically adjust according to the length of the body
content?

Also, in your opinion, would I be better off implementing the FP Include Pages instead of using

shared borders? The reason I ask is because the site I am administring is quite large so the shared
borders has been a great benefit. I imagine that if I wanted to have an Include Page inserted into a
page I would need to go to each individual page and add it as a component, correct? Unfortunately if
that is the case that would be very time consuming and would not be very feasible for me to
implement into a large site. If you know of a way for me to implement an Include Page into every
page of my site without having to go to each individual page and add it as a component then please
let me know.

 

[Tom Pepper Willett]

FP include pages do not require FP server extensions.

FP 2003 can use the FP2000 or FP2002 server extensions.

Windows Server 2003 comes with and uses FP2002 server extensions by default.

MS is not dropping FP server extensions, just supporting what they already
have. They are trying to *encourage* people to work with SharePoint as an
option.
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/frontpage
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I hope you don't mind, but I have been thinking about some things and have

further questions. Since FP Include Pages will only work on a server that
supports FrontPage Server extensions what is going to happen now that MS has
axed extension support from all new versions of FrontPage and beyond? Does
this mean that if I go to the trouble of using FP Include Pages on my site
that at some point I will need to find a viable alternative since FrontPage
Extensions are being phased out? It may take awhile, but I imagine that at
some point web hosting providers will eventually upgrade their servers to
ones that no longer support FrontPage Extensions. Hasn't this already
happened - MS Server 2003 does not support FrontPage Extensions or is it
backwards compatiable and will it remain that way for some time to come?

Thanks

----- Thomas A. Rowe wrote: -----

#1 The background color applied to the shared border page background

will only appear for the length

of the left or right shared border, meaning that it will not extend into the top or bottom shared
border areas of the page, if they are being used.

# 2 I still recommend FP Include Pages over shared borders, because of the added flexibility,
however the only drawback, which is a one time drawback, is that you have to manually apply them to
all pages when you first start using them.

I have add them to site of 500 pages and does take awhile, but the

what I do is to insert the first

one using the Insert Menu... then I do a copy and paste for all other pages.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

body, but is there not a way in

which I can have the left shared border automatically adjust

according to the length of the body

content? Include Pages instead of using
shared borders? The reason I ask is because the site I am

administring is quite large so the shared

borders has been a great benefit. I imagine that if I wanted to have

an Include Page inserted into a

page I would need to go to each individual page and add it as a

component, correct? Unfortunately if

that is the case that would be very time consuming and would not be very feasible for me to
implement into a large site. If you know of a way for me to implement an Include Page into every
page of my site without having to go to each individual page and add it as a component then please
let me know.

24 pixel gap between the left or

right shared border, same applies to
the the first is structure your
page

second available to you because

you can be combined with the FP
Include Page of the page and extend
all the

border to give it the appearance

that it need a way in which the left
shared shared border and the body
of a every WebPages on the
site to

topmargin="0" so that there is no

 

[Jack Brewster]

Popping in mid thread, so pardon me if I'm off target...

The FP Include Pages capability has no dependency on the server extensions.
This is why they are a great tool for disk based webs or users who's sites
are hosted on non-FPSE servers. When you edit and save an include file, all
the pages that reference it are updated at that time. FrontPage actually
edits the including files to reflect the modified content. Take a look at
one of your files outside of FrontPage and you'll see the edited content in
the file.

Does that help?

--
Jack Brewster - Microsoft FrontPage MVP

I hope you don't mind, but I have been thinking about some things and have

further questions. Since FP Include Pages will only work on a server that
supports FrontPage Server extensions what is going to happen now that MS has
axed extension support from all new versions of FrontPage and beyond? Does
this mean that if I go to the trouble of using FP Include Pages on my site
that at some point I will need to find a viable alternative since FrontPage
Extensions are being phased out? It may take awhile, but I imagine that at
some point web hosting providers will eventually upgrade their servers to
ones that no longer support FrontPage Extensions. Hasn't this already
happened - MS Server 2003 does not support FrontPage Extensions or is it
backwards compatiable and will it remain that way for some time to come?

Thanks

----- Thomas A. Rowe wrote: -----

#1 The background color applied to the shared border page background

will only appear for the length

of the left or right shared border, meaning that it will not extend into the top or bottom shared
border areas of the page, if they are being used.

# 2 I still recommend FP Include Pages over shared borders, because of the added flexibility,
however the only drawback, which is a one time drawback, is that you have to manually apply them to
all pages when you first start using them.

I have add them to site of 500 pages and does take awhile, but the

what I do is to insert the first

one using the Insert Menu... then I do a copy and paste for all other pages.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

body, but is there not a way in

which I can have the left shared border automatically adjust

according to the length of the body

content? Include Pages instead of using
shared borders? The reason I ask is because the site I am

administring is quite large so the shared

borders has been a great benefit. I imagine that if I wanted to have

an Include Page inserted into a

page I would need to go to each individual page and add it as a

component, correct? Unfortunately if

that is the case that would be very time consuming and would not be very feasible for me to
implement into a large site. If you know of a way for me to implement an Include Page into every
page of my site without having to go to each individual page and add it as a component then please
let me know.

24 pixel gap between the left or

right shared border, same applies to
the the first is structure your
page

second available to you because

you can be combined with the FP
Include Page of the page and extend
all the

border to give it the appearance

that it need a way in which the left
shared shared border and the body
of a every WebPages on the
site to

topmargin="0" so that there is no

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

#1 The FP Include Page component doesn't require that the remote server have the FP extensions, they
are design-time components.

#2 Windows 2003 server comes with the FP2002 extensions.

On a Windows server you can (as long as your host allows) use ASP or ASP.net to include content.

On a Unix/Linux server you can use PHP or SSI.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================

I hope you don't mind, but I have been thinking about some things and have further questions.

Since FP Include Pages will only work on a server that supports FrontPage Server extensions what is
going to happen now that MS has axed extension support from all new versions of FrontPage and
beyond? Does this mean that if I go to the trouble of using FP Include Pages on my site that at some
point I will need to find a viable alternative since FrontPage Extensions are being phased out? It
may take awhile, but I imagine that at some point web hosting providers will eventually upgrade
their servers to ones that no longer support FrontPage Extensions. Hasn't this already happened - MS
Server 2003 does not support FrontPage Extensions or is it backwards compatiable and will it remain
that way for some time to come?

 

[Guest]

Sweet! Thanks for all the info. guys. I went in search of answers and found the following page: http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/servers.mspx It is my understanding from that comparison chart that the first 11 features do not require FP Server Extensions at all and can still be used on a non-FP Server. I am very happy to have found this out because to me those first 11 features are very important and the ones I will be using the most

Thanks Again

----- Jack Brewster wrote: ----

Popping in mid thread, so pardon me if I'm off target..

The FP Include Pages capability has no dependency on the server extensions
This is why they are a great tool for disk based webs or users who's site
are hosted on non-FPSE servers. When you edit and save an include file, al
the pages that reference it are updated at that time. FrontPage actuall
edits the including files to reflect the modified content. Take a look a
one of your files outside of FrontPage and you'll see the edited content i
the file

Does that help

--
Jack Brewster - Microsoft FrontPage MV

I hope you don't mind, but I have been thinking about some things and hav

further questions. Since FP Include Pages will only work on a server tha
supports FrontPage Server extensions what is going to happen now that MS ha
axed extension support from all new versions of FrontPage and beyond? Doe
this mean that if I go to the trouble of using FP Include Pages on my sit
that at some point I will need to find a viable alternative since FrontPag
Extensions are being phased out? It may take awhile, but I imagine that a
some point web hosting providers will eventually upgrade their servers t
ones that no longer support FrontPage Extensions. Hasn't this alread
happened - MS Server 2003 does not support FrontPage Extensions or is i
backwards compatiable and will it remain that way for some time to come

will only appear for the lengt
of the left or right shared border, meaning that it will not exten into the top or bottom share
border areas of the page, if they are being used of the added flexibility
however the only drawback, which is a one time drawback, is that yo have to manually apply them t
all pages when you first start using them

what I do is to insert the firs

one using the Insert Menu... then I do a copy and paste for all othe pages
=============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
WEBMASTER Resources(tm
http://www.ycoln-resources.co
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc
=============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.as body, but is there not a way i
which I can have the left shared border automatically adjus

according to the length of the bod

content Include Pages instead of usin
shared borders? The reason I ask is because the site I a

administring is quite large so the share

borders has been a great benefit. I imagine that if I wanted to have

an Include Page inserted into a

page I would need to go to each individual page and add it as a

component, correct? Unfortunately if

that is the case that would be very time consuming and would not be very feasible for me to
implement into a large site. If you know of a way for me to implement an Include Page into every
page of my site without having to go to each individual page and add it as a component then please
let me know.

24 pixel gap between the left or

right shared border, same applies to
the the first is structure your
page

second available to you because

you can be combined with the FP
Include Page of the page and extend
all the

border to give it the appearance

that it need a way in which the left
shared shared border and the body
of a every WebPages on the
site to

topmargin="0" so that there is no

 

[chris leeds]

while they're not required they are beneficial.

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#1 The FP Include Page component doesn't require that the remote server have the FP extensions, they
are design-time components.

#2 Windows 2003 server comes with the FP2002 extensions.

On a Windows server you can (as long as your host allows) use ASP or ASP.net to include content.

On a Unix/Linux server you can use PHP or SSI.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


have further questions.
Since FP Include Pages will only work on a server that supports FrontPage Server extensions what is
going to happen now that MS has axed extension support from all new versions of FrontPage and
beyond? Does this mean that if I go to the trouble of using FP Include Pages on my site that at some
point I will need to find a viable alternative since FrontPage Extensions are being phased out? It
may take awhile, but I imagine that at some point web hosting providers will eventually upgrade
their servers to ones that no longer support FrontPage Extensions. Hasn't this already happened - MS
Server 2003 does not support FrontPage Extensions or is it backwards compatiable and will it remain
that way for some time to come?

background will only appear for the

length into the top or bottom
shared you have to manually apply
them to what I do is to insert the
first body, but is there not a
way in according to the length of the
body Include Pages instead of
using

administring is quite large so the

shared have an Include Page inserted
into a component, correct?
Unfortunately if implement an Include Page into
every add it as a component then
please the 24 pixel gap between the
left or use shared border, same
applies to

borders, the first is structure