Need Document to where Folders have Moved

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Hi,

I am a Network Admin taking my first look at Vista. It is obvious that
Microsoft has moved ALL the Desktop/Startup/AppData folders. What is Not
obvious is WHERE??? I see lots of "shortcut" link folders which I assume are
there for backwards compatability. However, they are Access is Denied. I
have taken ownership of a few and they just open as if they are the new
folder. There is no pathway to where they shortcut to.

Does anyone know where there is documentation on this? I have put
everything I can think of into both Vista Help and Microsoft's Vista page and
haven't had any luck.

I figured out the basics like Users, Desktop, Start-Menus but where is All
Uses\Application Data? There are a lot of "shortcut link" folders but no
where that they point to.

Thanks
Lara
 
lforbes said:
Hi,

I am a Network Admin taking my first look at Vista. It is obvious that
Microsoft has moved ALL the Desktop/Startup/AppData folders. What is Not
obvious is WHERE??? I see lots of "shortcut" link folders which I assume
are
there for backwards compatability. However, they are Access is Denied. I
have taken ownership of a few and they just open as if they are the new
folder. There is no pathway to where they shortcut to.

Does anyone know where there is documentation on this? I have put
everything I can think of into both Vista Help and Microsoft's Vista page
and
haven't had any luck.

I figured out the basics like Users, Desktop, Start-Menus but where is All
Uses\Application Data? There are a lot of "shortcut link" folders but no
where that they point to.

Thanks
Lara
Click to expand...


dir /al
will show you where they point to
 
You're correct about the shortcuts, known as junctions, there're there for
backward compatibility. As Jon said, the 'dir /al' command from a command
prompt window will display junctions and their targets.

As for the location of special folders, from the 'Run...' dialog or the
Start Search box the command:

shell:sendto

will open the current users 'SendTo' folder.

The following foldernames work with 'shell:' Once you have the folder open,
you can click in the breadcrumbs bar to see the actual path.

AddNewProgramsFolder
Administrative Tools
AppData
AppUpdatesFolder
Cache
CD Burning
ChangeRemoveProgramsFolder
Common Administrative Tools
Common AppData
Common Desktop
Common Documents
Common Programs
Common Start Menu
Common Startup
Common Templates
CommonDownloads
CommonMusic
CommonPictures
CommonVideo
ConflictFolder
ConnectionsFolder
Contacts
ControlPanelFolder
Cookies
CredentialManager
CryptoKeys
CSCFolder
Default Gadgets
Desktop
Downloads
DpapiKeys
Favorites
Fonts
Gadgets
Games
GameTasks
History
InternetFolder
Links
Local AppData
LocalAppDataLow
LocalizedResourcesDir
MAPIFolder
My Music
My Pictures
My Video
MyComputerFolder
NetHood
NetworkPlacesFolder
OEM Links
Original Images
Personal
PhotoAlbums
Playlists
PrintersFolder
PrintHood
Profile
ProgramFiles
ProgramFilesCommon
ProgramFilesCommonX86
ProgramFilesX86
Programs
Public
PublicGameTasks
Quick Launch
Recent
RecycleBinFolder
ResourceDir
SampleMusic
SamplePictures
SamplePlaylists
SampleVideos
SavedGames
Searches
SendTo
Start Menu
Startup
SyncCenterFolder
SyncResultsFolder
SyncSetupFolder
System
SystemCertificates
SystemX86
Templates
TreePropertiesFolder
UserProfiles
UsersFilesFolder
Windows

but a few of these just flash & disappear, ie. TreePropertiesFolder -- some
new, hidden namespace thing in Vista.
 
The following foldernames work with 'shell:' Once you have the folder open,
you can click in the breadcrumbs bar to see the actual path.

AddNewProgramsFolder
Administrative Tools
AppData
AppUpdatesFolder
Cache
CD Burning
ChangeRemoveProgramsFolder
Common Administrative Tools
Common AppData
Common Desktop......
Click to expand...

Just out of curiosity, where might one find this list documented in
Windows help or in http://support.microsoft.com

I've looked all over for it and come up empty.

Thanks.

--
Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.
 
Running strings.exe on shell32.dll shows some locations. But everything is stored in the registry here.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\FolderDescriptions

That's a great find Keith.

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]
Windows® Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com


The following foldernames work with 'shell:' Once you have the folder open,
you can click in the breadcrumbs bar to see the actual path.

AddNewProgramsFolder
Administrative Tools
AppData
AppUpdatesFolder
Cache
CD Burning
ChangeRemoveProgramsFolder
Common Administrative Tools
Common AppData
Common Desktop......
Click to expand...

Just out of curiosity, where might one find this list documented in
Windows help or in http://support.microsoft.com

I've looked all over for it and come up empty.

Thanks.

--
Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.
 
Just out of curiosity, where might one find this list documented in
Windows help or in http://support.microsoft.com

I've looked all over for it and come up empty.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
Running strings.exe on shell32.dll shows some locations. But everything is stored in the registry here.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\FolderDescriptions

That's a great find Keith.
Click to expand...

So I guess the answer to my question is, ... the same way I'm finding
out now.. Someone mentioned it previously somewhere. :0)

Thanks.
--
Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.
 
You're correct, and you'll find many such valuable tips when you work with the registry for some time. When I first saw the "shell:sendto" command (posted by an MSFT staff back in 2002), I tried using it with other shell folders (listed under the User Shell Folders key) and it worked with most of them. I could find the other namespace items such as "ControlPanelFolder" by running Strings.exe on shell32.dll and explorer.exe.

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]
Windows® Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com


Just out of curiosity, where might one find this list documented in
Windows help or in http://support.microsoft.com

I've looked all over for it and come up empty.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
Running strings.exe on shell32.dll shows some locations. But everything is stored in the registry here.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\FolderDescriptions

That's a great find Keith.
Click to expand...

So I guess the answer to my question is, ... the same way I'm finding
out now.. Someone mentioned it previously somewhere. :0)

Thanks.
--
Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.
 
Thanks, Ramesh.


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Running strings.exe on shell32.dll shows some locations. But everything is
stored in the registry here.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\FolderDescriptions

That's a great find Keith.

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]
Windows® Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com


The following foldernames work with 'shell:' Once you have the folder
open,
you can click in the breadcrumbs bar to see the actual path.

AddNewProgramsFolder
Administrative Tools
AppData
AppUpdatesFolder
Cache
CD Burning
ChangeRemoveProgramsFolder
Common Administrative Tools
Common AppData
Common Desktop......
Click to expand...

Just out of curiosity, where might one find this list documented in
Windows help or in http://support.microsoft.com

I've looked all over for it and come up empty.

Thanks.

--
Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.
 
Scott said:
So I guess the answer to my question is, ... the same way I'm finding
out now.. Someone mentioned it previously somewhere. :0)
Click to expand...

You probably saw it here: ;-)
 
Keith Miller MVP said:
You probably saw it here: ;-)
Click to expand...


Heh, now I am posting from my server, I realise that my reply didn't get
through. Swearwords!

Thanks again Keith.

ss.
 
WOW - Thanks Jon. That is what I was looking for. I am aware of Junction
Points as that is what the SYSVOL container is in Windows 2000. I made the
mistake of "backing" up my SYSVOL when I first got Windows 2000 and then
"deleting" the "Backup" without realizing that it wasn't a copy but a
Junction Point. I had to research them and remove the links in order to get
rid of the folders - not to mention having to rebuild my SYSVOL from scratch.

At least with Vista they are obvious.

Cheers,
Lara
 
Hi,

Thanks Keith. By any chance do you know of any tweak or "hack" to do the
following.

1. Make My Documents a folder that is again available as "Show on Desktop"
2. Know how to delete the Public folder on the desktop.

I am quite surprised at the lack of backwards compatablility that Microsoft
has shown with Vista. With NT they had the "Windows\Profiles" folder and they
moved to Documents and Settings without a problem. I could still logon to NT
with my 2000 or XP Profiles and vice versa.

I really Need that My Documents Folder back. My users are roaming and I use
Mandatory Profiles. With XP they have no saving access in their profiles
folder (files are deleted on logoff) and I don't want them to see that
folder. However, as Vista won't even load XP Profiles I am a little up the
creek. Without My Documents on the desktop they are going to be lost. A
shortcut doesn't work because everyone has a different My Documents Location.

Thanks
Lara

Keith Miller MVP said:
You're correct about the shortcuts, known as junctions, there're there for
backward compatibility. As Jon said, the 'dir /al' command from a command
prompt window will display junctions and their targets.

As for the location of special folders, from the 'Run...' dialog or the
Start Search box the command:

shell:sendto

will open the current users 'SendTo' folder.

The following foldernames work with 'shell:' Once you have the folder open,
you can click in the breadcrumbs bar to see the actual path.

AddNewProgramsFolder
Administrative Tools
AppData
AppUpdatesFolder
Cache
CD Burning
ChangeRemoveProgramsFolder
Common Administrative Tools
Common AppData
Common Desktop
Common Documents
Common Programs
Common Start Menu
Common Startup
Common Templates
CommonDownloads
CommonMusic
CommonPictures
CommonVideo
ConflictFolder
ConnectionsFolder
Contacts
ControlPanelFolder
Cookies
CredentialManager
CryptoKeys
CSCFolder
Default Gadgets
Desktop
Downloads
DpapiKeys
Favorites
Fonts
Gadgets
Games
GameTasks
History
InternetFolder
Links
Local AppData
LocalAppDataLow
LocalizedResourcesDir
MAPIFolder
My Music
My Pictures
My Video
MyComputerFolder
NetHood
NetworkPlacesFolder
OEM Links
Original Images
Personal
PhotoAlbums
Playlists
PrintersFolder
PrintHood
Profile
ProgramFiles
ProgramFilesCommon
ProgramFilesCommonX86
ProgramFilesX86
Programs
Public
PublicGameTasks
Quick Launch
Recent
RecycleBinFolder
ResourceDir
SampleMusic
SamplePictures
SamplePlaylists
SampleVideos
SavedGames
Searches
SendTo
Start Menu
Startup
SyncCenterFolder
SyncResultsFolder
SyncSetupFolder
System
SystemCertificates
SystemX86
Templates
TreePropertiesFolder
UserProfiles
UsersFilesFolder
Windows

but a few of these just flash & disappear, ie. TreePropertiesFolder -- some
new, hidden namespace thing in Vista.


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

lforbes said:
Hi,

I am a Network Admin taking my first look at Vista. It is obvious that
Microsoft has moved ALL the Desktop/Startup/AppData folders. What is Not
obvious is WHERE??? I see lots of "shortcut" link folders which I assume
are
there for backwards compatability. However, they are Access is Denied. I
have taken ownership of a few and they just open as if they are the new
folder. There is no pathway to where they shortcut to.

Does anyone know where there is documentation on this? I have put
everything I can think of into both Vista Help and Microsoft's Vista page
and
haven't had any luck.

I figured out the basics like Users, Desktop, Start-Menus but where is All
Uses\Application Data? There are a lot of "shortcut link" folders but no
where that they point to.

Thanks
Lara
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
lforbes said:
Thanks Keith. By any chance do you know of any tweak or "hack" to do the
following.

1. Make My Documents a folder that is again available as "Show on Desktop"
Click to expand...

Manually create the reg value below or copy the text between the lines, save
as a .reg file & merge.

--------------------------------
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\HideDesktopIcons\NewStartPanel]
"{450D8FBA-AD25-11D0-98A8-0800361B1103}"=dword:00000000

--------------------------------

It can also be done under HKCU\.... if you want to control the display on a
per-user basis.
2. Know how to delete the Public folder on the desktop.
Click to expand...

In the registry, locate the key:

"HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\explorer\Desktop\NameSpace\{4336a54d-038b-4685-ab02-99bb52d3fb8b}

You can delete it if you like, but I would just rename it to
'X{4336a54d-038b-4685-ab02-99bb52d3fb8b}', so that if you ever want it back,
you don't have to look up the CLSID. You'll need to logoff & back on after
the edit to refresh explorer's mind.

I am quite surprised at the lack of backwards compatablility that
Microsoft
has shown with Vista. With NT they had the "Windows\Profiles" folder and
they
moved to Documents and Settings without a problem. I could still logon to
NT
with my 2000 or XP Profiles and vice versa.

I really Need that My Documents Folder back. My users are roaming and I
use
Mandatory Profiles. With XP they have no saving access in their profiles
folder (files are deleted on logoff) and I don't want them to see that
folder. However, as Vista won't even load XP Profiles I am a little up the
creek. Without My Documents on the desktop they are going to be lost. A
shortcut doesn't work because everyone has a different My Documents
Location.

Thanks
Lara

Keith Miller MVP said:
You're correct about the shortcuts, known as junctions, there're there
for
backward compatibility. As Jon said, the 'dir /al' command from a
command
prompt window will display junctions and their targets.

As for the location of special folders, from the 'Run...' dialog or the
Start Search box the command:

shell:sendto

will open the current users 'SendTo' folder.

The following foldernames work with 'shell:' Once you have the folder
open,
you can click in the breadcrumbs bar to see the actual path.

AddNewProgramsFolder
Administrative Tools
AppData
AppUpdatesFolder
Cache
CD Burning
ChangeRemoveProgramsFolder
Common Administrative Tools
Common AppData
Common Desktop
Common Documents
Common Programs
Common Start Menu
Common Startup
Common Templates
CommonDownloads
CommonMusic
CommonPictures
CommonVideo
ConflictFolder
ConnectionsFolder
Contacts
ControlPanelFolder
Cookies
CredentialManager
CryptoKeys
CSCFolder
Default Gadgets
Desktop
Downloads
DpapiKeys
Favorites
Fonts
Gadgets
Games
GameTasks
History
InternetFolder
Links
Local AppData
LocalAppDataLow
LocalizedResourcesDir
MAPIFolder
My Music
My Pictures
My Video
MyComputerFolder
NetHood
NetworkPlacesFolder
OEM Links
Original Images
Personal
PhotoAlbums
Playlists
PrintersFolder
PrintHood
Profile
ProgramFiles
ProgramFilesCommon
ProgramFilesCommonX86
ProgramFilesX86
Programs
Public
PublicGameTasks
Quick Launch
Recent
RecycleBinFolder
ResourceDir
SampleMusic
SamplePictures
SamplePlaylists
SampleVideos
SavedGames
Searches
SendTo
Start Menu
Startup
SyncCenterFolder
SyncResultsFolder
SyncSetupFolder
System
SystemCertificates
SystemX86
Templates
TreePropertiesFolder
UserProfiles
UsersFilesFolder
Windows

but a few of these just flash & disappear, ie. TreePropertiesFolder --
some
new, hidden namespace thing in Vista.


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

lforbes said:
Hi,

I am a Network Admin taking my first look at Vista. It is obvious that
Microsoft has moved ALL the Desktop/Startup/AppData folders. What is
Not
obvious is WHERE??? I see lots of "shortcut" link folders which I
assume
are
there for backwards compatability. However, they are Access is Denied.
I
have taken ownership of a few and they just open as if they are the new
folder. There is no pathway to where they shortcut to.

Does anyone know where there is documentation on this? I have put
everything I can think of into both Vista Help and Microsoft's Vista
page
and
haven't had any luck.

I figured out the basics like Users, Desktop, Start-Menus but where is
All
Uses\Application Data? There are a lot of "shortcut link" folders but
no
where that they point to.

Thanks
Lara
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