MS Expecting To Lose Money On Xbox Beyond 2008?

[PS3]

this is from the newest business week:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_16/art04_16/0416_88covsto.jp
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some reactions on message boards to this

quote:

"Dammit. MS is not losing enough money! Quick launch Xbox 2 now!"

quote:

"The data was provided by Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.

You'll find a case study of theirs or two on Microsoft's own site."

quote:

"From this graph the goal of Xbox program was clear; its sole purpose of
existence is to hurt SCEI by taking away market shares and not allowing SCEI
to recoup its investment, and MS will do everything in its power to continue
to hurt SCEI, profit be damned."

"This is not a joke. SCEI is going up against an opponent with a bottomless
bank account, a vastly superior development environment, and a long history
of successfully eliminating its rivals. SCEI can't possibly hope to recoup
its CELL investment against a rival willing to lose a couple billion to make
sure CELL fails...

It's kind of strange that it will be PSX3 that will be forced out of market
even though it is Xbox Next that's actually losing billions....

Bill Gate's Kill List :

WordPerfect
Apple Macintoshi
Lotus 1-2-3
IBM OS/2
Novell Netware
Palm Pilot
Netscape Navigator
SCEI PlayStation3(TM)"


quote:

"sweet. maybe Microsoft will have the ****ing BALLZ to put twin VPUs
(graphics processors) and 1 GB memory in Xbox 2


I mean, if Microsoft is allegedly putting in THREE ****in CPUs, they can at
least marry that with TWO graphics processors!"

 

[PS3]

sorry, here's an unbroken up link
http://www.tinyurl.com/397qc

 

[Aaron J. Bossig]

Bill Gate's Kill List :

WordPerfect
Apple Macintoshi
Palm Pilot
Netscape Navigator
SCEI PlayStation3(TM)"

Last I checked, the first four weren't dead at all, and actually
had very loyal users. The last isn't even on the market yet.

Not the market leader != Killed.


--

Aaron J. Bossig

http://www.GodsLabRat.com
http://www.Daily-Reviews.com

 

[Mr Burns]

"WordPerfect
Apple Macintoshi
Lotus 1-2-3
IBM OS/2
Novell Netware
Palm Pilot
Netscape Navigator"

Good reasons they got culled.

Word was better than WordPerfect

Apple Macintosh - http://www.assq00.dsl.pipex.com/mac.wmv

OS/2 Warp - Vastly over complicated code, ok truer 32bit than Win95 -
however it was slow, clunky and as stable as someone with a split
personality

Novel Netware, they nailed it themselves. Price and interopperability
issues - IP for example, I had the misfortune of supporting netware,
nightmare

Netscape, why pay for something when IE does what I want and for free

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Novel Netware, they nailed it themselves. Price and interopperability
issues - IP for example, I had the misfortune of supporting netware,
nightmare

Netscape, why pay for something when IE does what I want and for free

Netscape is free, I am running 7.0 in Linux, with a free email account too.
I like it better then Mozilla.
It is certainly a lot better then MS internet exploder, with the Netscape
tabs you get very good handling of different webpages at the same time,
easy to select, and exploder does not even run on Linux, so what use is it
for the future.
JP

 

[MS#1Fanboy-JoJo]

this is from the newest business week:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_16/art04_16/0416_88covsto.jp
g


some reactions on message boards to this

quote:

"Dammit. MS is not losing enough money! Quick launch Xbox 2 now!"

quote:

"The data was provided by Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.

You'll find a case study of theirs or two on Microsoft's own site."

quote:

"From this graph the goal of Xbox program was clear; its sole purpose of
existence is to hurt SCEI by taking away market shares and not allowing SCEI
to recoup its investment, and MS will do everything in its power to continue
to hurt SCEI, profit be damned."

"This is not a joke. SCEI is going up against an opponent with a bottomless
bank account, a vastly superior development environment, and a long history
of successfully eliminating its rivals. SCEI can't possibly hope to recoup
its CELL investment against a rival willing to lose a couple billion to make
sure CELL fails...

It's kind of strange that it will be PSX3 that will be forced out of market
even though it is Xbox Next that's actually losing billions....

Bill Gate's Kill List :

WordPerfect
Apple Macintoshi
Lotus 1-2-3
IBM OS/2
Novell Netware
Palm Pilot
Netscape Navigator
SCEI PlayStation3(TM)"


quote:

"sweet. maybe Microsoft will have the ****ing BALLZ to put twin VPUs
(graphics processors) and 1 GB memory in Xbox 2


I mean, if Microsoft is allegedly putting in THREE ****in CPUs, they can at
least marry that with TWO graphics processors!"

Bill Kill:Volume 4

 

[Mr Burns]

You make the assumption that Linux will replace Windows?

excuse me whilst I just go change my pants, I appear to have wet these ones

 

[Jan Panteltje]

You make the assumption that Linux will replace Windows?

excuse me whilst I just go change my pants, I appear to have wet these ones

Sorry to hear you have NS shares.
JP

 

[The little lost angel]

Netscape is free, I am running 7.0 in Linux, with a free email account too.
I like it better then Mozilla.

Why? I've got Mozzy 1.6 and NS7. Mozzy seems slightly better to me,
especially with the popup blocking and better cookie/site handling.

It is certainly a lot better then MS internet exploder, with the Netscape
tabs you get very good handling of different webpages at the same time,
easy to select

Oh yes, love the tabs. After getting so used to them, IE feels
terribly clumsy when I have to open more than a few sites.
--
L.Angel: I'm looking for web design work.
If you need basic to med complexity webpages at affordable rates, email me
Standard HTML, SHTML, MySQL + PHP or ASP, Javascript.
If you really want, FrontPage & DreamWeaver too.
But keep in mind you pay extra bandwidth for their bloated code

 

[Chris Martin]

It is certainly a lot better then MS internet exploder, with the Netscape
tabs you get very good handling of different webpages at the same time,
easy to select, and exploder does not even run on Linux, so what use is it
for the future.
JP

Netscape isn't even close to IE anymore. I don't say that because I
necessarily like IE a lot, but AOL has managed to screw up Netscape so bad
it's incredible. I was a Netscape Communicator user until the version after
they were purchased by AOL. After that one came out and summarily sucked
badly, I switched to IE and have only looked back to test next version after
that one, and find out that sucked too. The first couple versions of
Netscape after AOL purchased them were memory hogs and had serious stability
issues as well from what I found, and I was running them on a 1.8 Ghz 256MB
RAM PC. AOL also didn't do Netscape any favors by not following through on
their promise to distribute a version of AOL with Netscape included as the
default AOL browser thus keeping Netscape in a lot of homes that use the
default browser that comes with their AOL account.
Netscape had a lot of extremely loyal users even if their market share
wasn't that large compared to IE when they were purchased by AOL. However,
AOL managed to do what Microsoft couldn't in their wildest dreams, pretty
much kill off Netscape and hand almost the entire rest of the market share
to IE. Looking back, I still have no clue what AOL was doing buying Netscape
in the first place, it's not like they did the company and their product any
favors. (Of course the same could be said for the entire AOL-Time Warner
merger being an absolutely dumb business move.)

 

[George Macdonald]

Last I checked, the first four weren't dead at all, and actually
had very loyal users. The last isn't even on the market yet.

Not the market leader != Killed.

!Killed != healthy.

Netscape Navigator *is* definitely dead - AOL announced termination of its
support effort a while ago. If you mean a better, same source, alternative
browser, then Mozilla is still alive but its future still looks kinda
uncertain - they seem to be a little short on funds right now but one can
hope.

As for WordPerfect, I may be wrong but I believe that much of the continued
use is with old WP versions which do not bring any revenue... principally
in the legal profession/business, where many have clung to the pleading and
other templates which attracted them to WP in the first place. Note that
the legal business still likes impact printing since it is not subject to
the same degradation in storage as laser ouput.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[George Macdonald]

"WordPerfect
Apple Macintoshi
Lotus 1-2-3
IBM OS/2
Novell Netware
Palm Pilot
Netscape Navigator"

Good reasons they got culled.

Word was better than WordPerfect

Better for what? As a Windows app. early WP did fall a bit short but you
could still do real word processing with it. If you liked eye candy I
guess Word was for umm, you?

Apple Macintosh - http://www.assq00.dsl.pipex.com/mac.wmv

The guy's only an editor ferchrissakes. Ironic that everything he says
about crashes, reboots, hangs is precisely how PC/Windows is perceived.

OS/2 Warp - Vastly over complicated code, ok truer 32bit than Win95 -
however it was slow, clunky and as stable as someone with a split
personality

Novel Netware, they nailed it themselves. Price and interopperability
issues - IP for example, I had the misfortune of supporting netware,
nightmare

Netscape, why pay for something when IE does what I want and for free

Fortunately not everyone agrees with what you personally want to do... and
if you think it's free... look again! If you paid for Netscape you were
seriously misinformed. Netscape is/was free though has been surpassed
by Mozilla which *is* free.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Netscape isn't even close to IE anymore. I don't say that because I
necessarily like IE a lot, but AOL has managed to screw up Netscape so bad
it's incredible. did the company and their product any
favors. (Of course the same could be said for the entire AOL-Time Warner
merger being an absolutely dumb business move.)

Well obviously I do not have the latest version of exploder, but Netscape 7.0
you have never tried I am sure.
Give it a try, www.netscape.com.
But I only use the web part, not the news and AOL or whatever else is in there.
I wrote my own newsreader, NewsFleX.
Netscape does not fail on any site I have been too, including flash etc..
real-audio plugin, java.. only thing I am missing is a quicktime 6 plugin, but
that is up to Apple.
Although I have plenty of political reasons not to want to use exploder, the
main reason is netscape tabs in MS windows are so easy, and netscape also runs
in Linux, so I am used to the same interface.
The thing is rock stable, although it has crashed twice since I have it.
It automatically reports bugs, so what more do you want.
For something that is free it is a great gift.
JP

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Why? I've got Mozzy 1.6 and NS7. Mozzy seems slightly better to me,
especially with the popup blocking and better cookie/site handling.

The last mozilla I used, last year, had some really strange problems.
But I removed it and dunno what the version number was, but there was
some reports in the newsgroups about a fix, so yours is probably OK.
JP

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Netscape Navigator *is* definitely dead - AOL announced termination of its
support effort a while ago.

www.netscape.com seems very alive to me, 7.1 is there for the download.
If it was to go, I would mis it, but with MS going the way it is going
Netscape may wel be ready for a comeback.
JP

 

[George Macdonald]

www.netscape.com seems very alive to me, 7.1 is there for the download.
If it was to go, I would mis it, but with MS going the way it is going
Netscape may wel be ready for a comeback.
JP

No comeback is apparent as far as I see. NS 7.1 dates back to June 2003,
corresponding to Mozilla 1.4, and on M$ Win systems has a serious bug with
GDI resources which was fixed in Mozilla 1.4.1 months ago:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204374. The fact that Netscape
has not released a corresponding fixed NS 7.11 in the interim tells me the
effort/support is quite dead. It's my understanding that AOL disbanded the
Netscape support team which did the "customizations". Personally I'm happy
with Mozilla and do not need/want the Netscape fluff anyway.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

[Doug Jacobs]

Better for what? As a Windows app. early WP did fall a bit short but you
could still do real word processing with it. If you liked eye candy I
guess Word was for umm, you?

Early Word DID out-do WP by presenting an easy to use WYSIWIG word
processor. Of course since then Word has mutated into such a bloated
beast that it barely resembles a word processor anymore.

Say what you will about Microsoft, but in this case, they actually did
have the superior product at the time.

The guy's only an editor ferchrissakes. Ironic that everything he says
about crashes, reboots, hangs is precisely how PC/Windows is perceived.

Ironic? Most people look at me weird when I tell them about computers
that *don't* crash or need rebooting once a day/week... They've become
conditioned by the computer industry to expect crashes and unstable
programs. While the early versions of MacOS weren't very stable, it
quickly improved with each successive version. The same can't be said
about Windows. Win2k and XP maybe a lot better, but still don't come
close to MacOSX or Linux.

I found OS/2 tons more stable than Windows. While a single misbehaving
Windows app required you to reboot your entire machine, under OS/2, it
didn't bother the OS at all. People used to say that OS/2 ran Windows
better than Windows did, and it wasn't an exaggeration.

Unfortunatly, OS/2 suffered from a higher retail price and fewer OS/2
native apps. It could run many Windows applications (Office among them)
but it wasn't 100% compatible with every DOS/Windows program.

 

[chrisv]

The last mozilla I used, last year, had some really strange problems.
But I removed it and dunno what the version number was, but there was
some reports in the newsgroups about a fix, so yours is probably OK.

Try Firefox. Works great, for me.

 

[Grumble]

No comeback is apparent as far as I see. NS 7.1 dates back to June 2003,
corresponding to Mozilla 1.4, and on M$ Win systems has a serious bug with
GDI resources which was fixed in Mozilla 1.4.1 months ago:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204374. The fact that Netscape
has not released a corresponding fixed NS 7.11 in the interim tells me the
effort/support is quite dead. It's my understanding that AOL disbanded the
Netscape support team which did the "customizations". Personally I'm happy
with Mozilla and do not need/want the Netscape fluff anyway.

Netscape Browser Rises From the Dead
http://pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115723,00.asp

Apparently, Nutscrape 7.2 will be based on Mozilla 1.7

 

[RusH]

You make the assumption that Linux will replace Windows?

excuse me whilst I just go change my pants, I appear to have wet
these ones

ask Samsung, Novell, IBM, SUN and others


Pozdrawiam.