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Bruce Chambers

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Then apparently you still have never seen WinNT, Win2K, or WinXP.
None of these operating systems can be "reset into dos mode."


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Guest

Yes I do realise that it does not have that option in windows shutdown. What I have mentioned is the go - arounds. There still is a dos prompt with Windows NT, 2000, ME and XP.... but the option is not given to the user to reboot into dos alone. By resetting the pc and doing either of the two things I mentioned will bring up a command (dos) prompt

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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

There are two ways to access DOS via winXP.

Do you mean the two ways of running a command prompt window?
Dont go telling me that it cant be done, because ALL windows
can be reset into dos mode that I know of.

No, they can't. Any OS can be booted instead of any other OS, as long
as PCs can boot drives other than HD0 and as long as PCs support a
system-wide partitioning system within which OSs reside.

Further; OSs that share the same file system may be able to co-exist
in the same partition / volume.

But no; even if you boot NT to "Command Prompt Only" or "Safe Mode
Command Prompt Only" (or boot Recovery Console instead) those are not
DOS modes. If anything, they are less DOS than a command.com window!
Firstly theres the "majical F8" key, Give that a few bashes during POSTing

No, after POST. I suspect you consider all that is GUI to be Windows
and all that is non-GUI to be DOS, but text-mode environments are not
"DOS" unless IO.SYS is the underlying kernel.

<examples that fall into above explanation snipped>


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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:56:05 -0800, "robbo" <[email protected]>

Ah, Australia... (happy memories)

Robbo, you're on the right track, but the details will get you!
On that question regarding "downgrading" to windows 98 without having to format,
the only real effective way that I can think of you pulling it off is via a dual boot
system with win XP and win 98. When installing windows 98, you will have to
change the location it is installed to, say for argument sake instead of "c:\windows"
use "c:\windows98" or something like that. The reason being is that windows XP
and windows 98 both use the directory "c:\windows" as the default install path.

Two problems there:
- "Windows98" breaks 8.3 naming convention, so WIN98 is better
- both OSs will share the same "C:\Program Files\Accessories" etc.

Because of the second problem, it's better to use separate partitions
or volumes for each OS, if you want full Win9x / NT dual boot.

There are a few ways to do that:
- multiple HDs, selected for boot via CMOS boot order (IDE0, IDE1)
- multiple primary partitions, selected via 3rd-party boot manager
- most of one OS on an extended logical, selected via NTLDR/Boot.ini

Here's how the last works:
- primary partition and an extended partition on the same HD
- one or more logical volumes in extended
- you install a Win9x on C:
- you install an NT on a non-C: volume, e.g. D:
- both OSs have their first code on C:, which must be FATxx
- the bulk of the NT is on D:, which can be NTFS
- NT's NTLDR boot code presents Boot.ini choice of OSs at boot

The OS installed on D: will create and populate its own "Program
Files" there. Some application installations will go "D:\Program
Files" as directed by registry; others will do same based on the fact
that it's the same drive they are "on", but some may be hard-coded to
"C:\Program Files" and will thus itrude there.

That's why the dual primary partition approach may be cleaner, even if
you have to use 3rd-party apps to create and select the active primary
and thus OS. This may hide the not-in-use partition as well.
Hopefully it should modify the boot.ini information automatically so
when your pc boots up, you can specify which windows to boot into.

The NT installation process should do that; that's why one prefers to
install first the Win9x, then the NT.

But it is possible to "retrofit" the dual-bootability after the fact.

The nice thing about installing *just* the DOS mode from a Win9x, is
that as this doesn't stomp all over "Program Files", it doesn't need
its own partition. Easier to integrate into an existing set up, and
works as long as C: is FATxx, not NTFS.


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Drew Cooper [MSFT]

Well, only kinda.
The closest thing to DOS on an NT-family OS like XP is an app running under
NTVDM - the NT Virtual DOS Machine. "command.exe" is as close to a DOS
prompt as you can get - it runs under NTVDM. Config.nt and autoexec.nt
under %systemroot%\system32\ are the equivalents of config.sys and
autoexec.bat. NTVDM doesn't do good sound card emulation, but there are 3rd
party solutions if you want that.
 
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Guest

Ok fair enough. DOS is not command prompt... whatever - spare me the technical argument
With that aside, still re-booting with this fashion and getting a command prompt will still provide the functionality of using the "dos" type command prompt to carry out commands such as formatting or deleting, say the windows directory.
 
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Drew Cooper [MSFT]

That's not using XP. That's running a completely different OS!

Want to run DOS? Only XP is installed? Boot from a DOS floppy or a Win9x
CD.
Is *that* was all of this was about? (I assumed it was more difficult.)

btw: Dual-booting from the same volume is a really really bad idea. If
you're going to recommend dual-booting, please suggest separate volumes.
(I'm supposed to say this: "Dual-booting is not supported or officially
recommended by MSFT.")
 
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:28:06 -0800, "Drew Cooper [MSFT]"
That's not using XP. That's running a completely different OS!
Want to run DOS? Only XP is installed? Boot from a DOS floppy or a Win9x
CD. Is *that* was all of this was about? (I assumed it was more difficult.)

I think folks want something more elegant than "dangle off a diskette"
and "leave the system booting possibly infected removable disks in
case you may want to boot a DOS mode" :)
btw: Dual-booting from the same volume is a really really bad idea. If
you're going to recommend dual-booting, please suggest separate volumes.

There's detail on that, which AFAICR has been covered in this thread.

As long as your DOS mode is compatible with the system on C: and your
NT does not process Config.sys and Autoexec.bat (or your DOS mode uses
alternate files), there's no reason to use a separate volume for the
DOS mode. If you want to run the whole of a Win9x GUI as the second
OS, that's a whole different issue and I'd agree with you 100%.
(I'm supposed to say this: "Dual-booting is not supported or officially
recommended by MSFT.")

Well, we're used to roaming ahead of the MSFT steamship ;-)


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Guest

Hmm, Yes Yes but it is easier for met tell you next time load XP to a different partion and use the Dual boot feature.
 

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