Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

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Guest

My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with
Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have
cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely
move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up
the entire computer?
 
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Gerry

Jim

To increase you free space on your XP partition select Start, All
Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More Options,
System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore points?
Restore points can be quite large.

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System Restore
on your C partition which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700
mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System
Restore. Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this
time find the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and
exit.
When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

Another default setting which could be wasteful is that for temporary
internet files especially if you do not store offline copies on disk.
The default allocation is 3% of drive. Depending on your attitude to
offline copies you could reduce this to 1% or 2%. In Internet Explorer
select Tools, Internet Options, General, Temporary Internet Files,
Settings to make the change. At the same time look at the number of
days history is held.

The default allocation for the Recycle Bin is 10 % of drive. Change to
5%, which should be sufficient. In Windows Explorer place the cursor
on your Recycle Bin, right click and select Properties, Global and
move the slider from 10% to 5%. However, try to avoid letting it get
too full as if it is full and you delete a file by mistake it will
bypass the Recycle Bin and be gone for ever.

If your drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises with
your operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory of
your C partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows
folder typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and $NtUninstallKB282010$
etc. These files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed
the text of the folder name appears in blue characters. If not
compressed you can compress them. Right click on each folder and
select Properties, General, Advanced and check the box before Compress
contents to save Disk Space. On the General Tab you can see the amount
gained by deducting the size on disk from the size. Folder
compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted drive / partition.

You can also increase free disk space on your C partition can be
achieved by relocation of folders.

For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet
Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder.

To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express
Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change.
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm

My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders
including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated
using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to
see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change
Location button.

You may also need to change Default File locations in the Microsoft
Office programmes you choose to move the My Documents folder. For Word
go to Tools, Options, File Locations, highlight Documents, click on
Modify and change file path. For Excel go to Tools, Options, General
and change default file path.



--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
K

Ken Blake

JimBal said:
My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90%
full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused
space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in
Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and
Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?


That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if you
move programs, they will no longer work after being moved.
 
Z

z1z1z1

That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if
you move programs, they will no longer work after being moved.

You can move each user's "My Documents" to a folder on D:
(right-click on "My Documents" and select Properties).
You could uninstall some programs and reinstall them on D:
You could move most of your pagefile to D:
(Control Panel/System/Advance Tab/Performance Settings/
Advanced Tab/Virtual Memory)
If you do not use hibernation, turn it off in Control Panel/Power
options, and you will free whatever your memory size is.
You could clean out most of the hotfix backup files.
(removehotfixbackup at http://www.dougknox.com makes this easy to do)
You can remove all but the last system restore point
(turn SR off then on again).
You could move the dllcache folder to D:
(google "move dllcache" without the quotes)
You can move all temp folders to D:
(you need to set the TEMP and TMP environment variables to match)
 
B

Brian Kochera

JimBal wrote:




That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if you
move programs, they will no longer work after being moved.
Wouldn't an application like Norton Ghost or Partition Magic
automatically correct and change drive associations to the new drive?
Also there are utilities that given the appropriate drive association
will step through the Registry and make these changes. In this case,
drive D: for drive C:.

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Brian M. Kochera
"Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"
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View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951
 
G

Guest

When moving folders/files between NTFS partitions, the permissions move with
them; when copying folders/files, the folders/files inherit the permissions
of the destination directory. Just be aware of this when choosing Move vs.
Copy. This won't matter if both the source and destination directories have
the same permissions.
 
K

Ken Blake

Brian said:
Wouldn't an application like Norton Ghost or Partition Magic
automatically correct and change drive associations to the new drive?

No.


Also there are utilities that given the appropriate drive association
will step through the Registry and make these changes. In this case,
drive D: for drive C:.


Yes, there are such applications, and I've tried some of them myself.. My
experience is that none of these do a perfect job, and I do *not* recommend
relying on them. They may correctly change the references for some programs,
but they miss some references for others. The only reliable way of moving an
application is by uninstalling and reinstalling.
 
N

nanook

When moving folders/files between NTFS partitions, the permissions
move with them; when copying folders/files, the folders/files inherit
the permissions of the destination directory. Just be aware of this
when choosing Move vs. Copy. This won't matter if both the source and
destination directories have the same permissions.

Not true anywhere that I have seen (and I've seen a lot).

The permissions are determined the same for a move as a copy between two
different volumes, and it is not the source that determines them, but the
destination folder permissions and inheritance settings. Between
volumes, a move is like a copy followed by a delete.

A copy (whether between volumes or on the same volume) involves creating
a new file, which inherits permissions from the destination folder.

Only when you move between folders on the same volume are the permissions
carried over from the source to the destination. On a single volume, a
move does not involve moving the actual file data, and can be done by
just linking the file into a different part of the folder tree.

Think of it as Windows being lazy, and it does the simplest thing, which
in the case of a move between volumes is to use the permissions in the
destination folder, and in a move on the same volume it is to just change
"where" the file is in the folder tree, and leave the ACL alone (maintain
the previous permissions).

This default behavior can be modified through registry settings, so some
modified non-standard setup may behave differently.

See:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310316
 
G

Gerry

I seem to recall this topic causes complications with shared data
folders / partitions when dual booting Windows XP / Vista!

--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Zilbandy

My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with
Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have
cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely
move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up
the entire computer?

How about getting something like Partition Magic and decreasing the
size of D drive and increase the size of C drive? Partition Magic
should do this with no data loss, but I'd make sure I had complete
backups just in case.
 
Z

z1z1z1

How about getting something like Partition Magic and decreasing the
size of D drive and increase the size of C drive? Partition Magic
should do this with no data loss, but I'd make sure I had complete
backups just in case.

I like using something like Ghost to copy the drive and resize at the same
time. The copy could be put back onto the same drive. It's usually faster
than the in-place partition resizers, and you have a backup copy during the
process. The only downside is that you need another drive or somewhere to
put the copy.
 
G

Guest

Thanks to all of you for your ideas and suggestions. I'll try some, others I
will wonder what the heck you are talking about. Thanks, again.
 

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