Moving W2K drive from IDE to ATA100 controller

[George]

I have had dual booting from BIOS of W2K and WinMe on my ASUS A7V based
machine for many years. I had W2K on the primary IDE channel and WinMe on
the Primary ATA100 channel.

I am in the process of converting completely to W2K, so would like to boot
W2K from the ATA100 Primary.

I moved the drive over and it does work, BUT, there is a delay ofalmost 1
min when the W2K splash screen comes up. The blue status bar is at abou the
50% mark. Eventually W2K starts up and works normally. If I move it back to
the IDE primary it loads swiftly as before.

I looked at what was being loaded (by boot logging) and there were 13 items
(*.sys files) that were NOT loaded plus a long list of what were.

The drive uses FAT32.

WinMe loads normally on ATA100.

Any ideas of why there is a long delay when using ATA100 and none when
loading on IDE? Any suggestions as to how to overcome the delay?

GM

 

[Dave Patrick]

These articles may help.

How to Move a Windows Installation to Different Hardware
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=249694

HOW TO: Replace the Motherboard on a Computer That Is Running Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=824125

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Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
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:
|I have had dual booting from BIOS of W2K and WinMe on my ASUS A7V based
| machine for many years. I had W2K on the primary IDE channel and WinMe on
| the Primary ATA100 channel.
|
| I am in the process of converting completely to W2K, so would like to boot
| W2K from the ATA100 Primary.
|
| I moved the drive over and it does work, BUT, there is a delay ofalmost 1
| min when the W2K splash screen comes up. The blue status bar is at abou
the
| 50% mark. Eventually W2K starts up and works normally. If I move it back
to
| the IDE primary it loads swiftly as before.
|
| I looked at what was being loaded (by boot logging) and there were 13
items
| (*.sys files) that were NOT loaded plus a long list of what were.
|
| The drive uses FAT32.
|
| WinMe loads normally on ATA100.
|
| Any ideas of why there is a long delay when using ATA100 and none when
| loading on IDE? Any suggestions as to how to overcome the delay?
|
| GM
|
|

 

[George]

These articles may help.

How to Move a Windows Installation to Different Hardware
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=249694

HOW TO: Replace the Motherboard on a Computer That Is Running Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=824125

I tried the methods in the second link. First option (upgrading MB) says:

"For Windows 2000:a. Click Install Windows 2000.
b. In the Windows 2000 Setup window, click Upgrade to Windows 2000
(Recommended), and then click Next.
c. Follow the instructions on the screen until the computer begins to
restart."


When I try this, it says it cannot upgrade from Service pack 4 to Service
Pack 2 !

Second option (replacing dead MB) says:

"For Windows 2000:a. When you are prompted To set up Windows 2000 now,
press ENTER, press ENTER.

Setup looks for any previous installations of Windows 2000 on the hard
disk and then displays a list of any previous installations that it finds.
b. Use the arrow keys to select the installation that you want to
repair, and then press R to select the To repair the selected Windows 2000
installation, press R option.

This will start the repair of your previous Windows 2000
installation."

When I try this and press R, it says it cannot find a hard drive - But
it is there and I can boot from it if I specify it in BIOS. So, I don't know
where to go using the methods in this link.

I have not tried the first link methods.

Seems I could do a backup with IDE connection, then install a clean
new version of W2K
on another drive and then restore saved backup to this - I have never used
the backup/restore feature, so not sure how and if this would work. Win2K
currently uses about 9Gig - How much space would I need to store the backup?
I do have a spare drive that I could use.

Should I persevere with this, go back to booting from IDE or install anew
clean version of W2K and start re-installing all my software? Seems a shame
to have to give up on the supposedly better speed of the ATA100 controller.

GM

 

[Dave Patrick]

You'll need a gold version Windows 2000 install CD-Rom. You can't do an
in-place upgrade with slipstreamed media.

For the "cannot find a hard drive"

If your drive controller is not natively supported then you'll want to boot
the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom. Then *F6* very early and very important (at
setup is inspecting your system) in the setup to prevent drive controller
detection, and select S to specify additional drivers. Then later you'll be
prompted to insert the manufacturer supplied Windows 2000 driver for your
drive controller in drive "A")

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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| I tried the methods in the second link. First option (upgrading MB) says:
|
| "For Windows 2000:a. Click Install Windows 2000.
| b. In the Windows 2000 Setup window, click Upgrade to Windows 2000
| (Recommended), and then click Next.
| c. Follow the instructions on the screen until the computer begins
to
| restart."
|
|
| When I try this, it says it cannot upgrade from Service pack 4 to Service
| Pack 2 !
|
| Second option (replacing dead MB) says:
|
| "For Windows 2000:a. When you are prompted To set up Windows 2000 now,
| press ENTER, press ENTER.
|
| Setup looks for any previous installations of Windows 2000 on the
hard
| disk and then displays a list of any previous installations that it finds.
| b. Use the arrow keys to select the installation that you want to
| repair, and then press R to select the To repair the selected Windows 2000
| installation, press R option.
|
| This will start the repair of your previous Windows 2000
| installation."
|
| When I try this and press R, it says it cannot find a hard drive -
But
| it is there and I can boot from it if I specify it in BIOS. So, I don't
know
| where to go using the methods in this link.
|
| I have not tried the first link methods.
|
| Seems I could do a backup with IDE connection, then install a clean
| new version of W2K
| on another drive and then restore saved backup to this - I have never used
| the backup/restore feature, so not sure how and if this would work. Win2K
| currently uses about 9Gig - How much space would I need to store the
backup?
| I do have a spare drive that I could use.
|
| Should I persevere with this, go back to booting from IDE or install anew
| clean version of W2K and start re-installing all my software? Seems a
shame
| to have to give up on the supposedly better speed of the ATA100
controller.
|
| GM
|
|
|

 

[George]

You'll need a gold version Windows 2000 install CD-Rom. You can't do an
in-place upgrade with slipstreamed media.

I have the original disk for Windows 2000 Pro that I purchased with my
system. It says 1-2 Processor Edition and "For distribution with new PConly"
.. Not sure what Gold edition is or slipstreamed media, but I paid some
hundreds of dollars for this edition - it says it includes Service Pack 2.
The Service Pack 4 was I presume downloaded and installed as an automatic
update from MS.

For the "cannot find a hard drive"

If your drive controller is not natively supported then you'll want to boot
the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom. Then *F6* very early and very important (at
setup is inspecting your system) in the setup to prevent drive controller
detection, and select S to specify additional drivers. Then later you'll be
prompted to insert the manufacturer supplied Windows 2000 driver for your
drive controller in drive "A")

OK - I saw a message flash by that might have prompted me to hit F6 for the
ATA controller but it did not give me time to do anything! I will try again.
I will need to copy drivers to a floppy first. Will give it a try.

Thanks

 

[Dave Patrick]

Gold means SP0 (zero) in other words no service pack. Slipstreamed means SP1
(or later) is integrated into the installation media.

Yes start tapping the F6 key at "setup is inspecting your system" to prevent
drive controller detection, later you'll be prompted to insert the
manufacturer supplied Windows 2000 driver for your drive controller in drive
"A"


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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| I have the original disk for Windows 2000 Pro that I purchased with my
| system. It says 1-2 Processor Edition and "For distribution with new
PConly"
| . Not sure what Gold edition is or slipstreamed media, but I paid some
| hundreds of dollars for this edition - it says it includes Service Pack 2.
| The Service Pack 4 was I presume downloaded and installed as an automatic
| update from MS.
|
| >
| > For the "cannot find a hard drive"
| >
| > If your drive controller is not natively supported then you'll want to
| boot
| > the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom. Then *F6* very early and very important
| (at
| > setup is inspecting your system) in the setup to prevent drive
controller
| > detection, and select S to specify additional drivers. Then later you'll
| be
| > prompted to insert the manufacturer supplied Windows 2000 driver for
your
| > drive controller in drive "A")
|
| OK - I saw a message flash by that might have prompted me to hit F6 for
the
| ATA controller but it did not give me time to do anything! I will try
again.
| I will need to copy drivers to a floppy first. Will give it a try.
|
| Thanks
|
|

 

[George]

Gold means SP0 (zero) in other words no service pack. Slipstreamed means SP1
(or later) is integrated into the installation media.

Yes start tapping the F6 key at "setup is inspecting your system" to prevent
drive controller detection, later you'll be prompted to insert the
manufacturer supplied Windows 2000 driver for your drive controller in drive
"A"

Thanks!

One thing I may not have mentioned, was that I had removed my WinMe boot
drive when testing Win2K on the ATA100 controller. I decide to install it
on the IDE Primary with Win 2K on the ATA100 which essentially meant that I
had switched the WinMe and Win2K boot drives .

Funnily enough, with the WinMe drive in place, the long delay at the splash
screen became a very short one. Still a slight hesitation, but only a few
seconds.

Do you think I should still attempt the "repair" or could it cause more
problems?

GM

 

[Dave Patrick]

Sorry, I'm lost. What would you be repairing if everything is working?

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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Thanks!
|
| One thing I may not have mentioned, was that I had removed my WinMe boot
| drive when testing Win2K on the ATA100 controller. I decide to install it
| on the IDE Primary with Win 2K on the ATA100 which essentially meant that
I
| had switched the WinMe and Win2K boot drives .
|
| Funnily enough, with the WinMe drive in place, the long delay at the
splash
| screen became a very short one. Still a slight hesitation, but only a few
| seconds.
|
| Do you think I should still attempt the "repair" or could it cause more
| problems?
|
| GM
|
|

 

[George]

Sorry, I'm lost. What would you be repairing if everything is working?

OK - Nothing really except there is still a small startup delay, so I
thought some cleanup might be needed.

But perhaps it IS best to leave good enough alone!

I do have a few more questions:

- If originally configured WinMe and Win2K drives as FAT32, so as to be able
to share files. Would there be any benefit in converting the W2K drive to
NTFS?

- If I have W2K on an NTFS drive, would W2K be able to see files on FAT32
drives? I believe that the reverse is not true.

GM

 

[Dave Patrick]

:
| OK - Nothing really except there is still a small startup delay, so I
| thought some cleanup might be needed.
|
| But perhaps it IS best to leave good enough alone!
|
| I do have a few more questions:
|
| - If originally configured WinMe and Win2K drives as FAT32, so as to be
able
| to share files. Would there be any benefit in converting the W2K drive to
| NTFS?
*** I probably wouldn't. Windows 2000 includes the convert.exe utility that
allows you to convert to NTFS without any loss of data. The downside to this
is you'll end up with 512 byte clusters which is pretty inefficient, slow,
and more prone to fragmentation. The overhead of traversing a greater number
of clusters to retrieve and commit data will result in a degradation in file
system (or disk I/O) performance. Best to choose NTFS at the time of
install. That said; NTFS is the native file system of Windows
NT/2000/XP/2003/Vista and is always recommended.



| - If I have W2K on an NTFS drive, would W2K be able to see files on FAT32
| drives? I believe that the reverse is not true.
*** Windows 2000 as an operating system has no problem seeing or using the
NTFS, or the various Fat file systems regardless of the file system it is
installed on. Win9x operating system versions cannot see or use the NTFS
file system without third party support such as .
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsWindows98.html


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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

 

[George]

*** I probably wouldn't. Windows 2000 includes the convert.exe utility that
allows you to convert to NTFS without any loss of data. The downside to this
is you'll end up with 512 byte clusters which is pretty inefficient, slow,
and more prone to fragmentation. The overhead of traversing a greater number
of clusters to retrieve and commit data will result in a degradation in file
system (or disk I/O) performance. Best to choose NTFS at the time of
install. That said; NTFS is the native file system of Windows
NT/2000/XP/2003/Vista and is always recommended.

*** Windows 2000 as an operating system has no problem seeing or using the
NTFS, or the various Fat file systems regardless of the file system it is
installed on. Win9x operating system versions cannot see or use the NTFS
file system without third party support such as .
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsWindows98.html

Thanks David for your fast responses and overall help.

I think I am now good to go.

GM

 

[Dave Patrick]

Good to hear. You're welcome.

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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Thanks David for your fast responses and overall help.
|
| I think I am now good to go.
|
| GM