Moving Special Folders

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Don Williams

I think this has been asked and answered before, but is there a safe way to
re-locate the folder "Documents and Settings" to a drive other than drive
c:?

I really need more space on drive C:. I can explain why, but it would take
up too much space here.

Any ideas appreciated. I found no help on Microsoft searches other than
linking folders for networks, etc.

Thanks,

Don Williams
 
Don Williams said:
I think this has been asked and answered before, but is there a safe way to
re-locate the folder "Documents and Settings" to a drive other than drive
c:?

I really need more space on drive C:. I can explain why, but it would
take up too much space here.

Any ideas appreciated. I found no help on Microsoft searches other than
linking folders for networks, etc.


No. You cannot do it safely, as the folder contains the hidden ntuser.dat
file, which is the user hive file for the registry.

You should just move the folders contained within your user folder instead,
not the folder itself. You can use TweakUI to do this easily, but I prefer
to make junction points these days.

ss.
 
Doesn't sound like something I'd like to try, but if you really want to walk on
the wild side, review the procedure titled "Moving the entire folder" in the
below listed article.

An error message informs you that you cannot move or rename the Documents and
Settings folder
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314843/

If you need disk space, have you tried the Disk Cleanup routine listed under
System Tools? Or maybe a 3rd party utility like CCleaner which would give you
better control over what's to be deleted. Highly recommend it. Get it here:
http://www.ccleaner.com/

|I think this has been asked and answered before, but is there a safe way to
| re-locate the folder "Documents and Settings" to a drive other than drive
| c:?
|
| I really need more space on drive C:. I can explain why, but it would take
| up too much space here.
|
| Any ideas appreciated. I found no help on Microsoft searches other than
| linking folders for networks, etc.
|
| Thanks,
|
| Don Williams
|
|
 
Thanks for all the suggestions. My conclusion is that I may try to move
some pieces of the "Documents and Settings" folder, but only ones I can do
safely.

What I find is that after using all the cleanup and packing tools, I still
have only marginal space in Drive C: just enough for defrag to not complain.
When it finishes It reports that most of the files in that folder have
HUNDREDS of fragments and I have never found a way to get the drive defraged
to allow a reasonable boot time.

I wonder whether some of the old defrag products, such as the one Symantec
sells, would do the job better than the one in XP Pro. (I stopped upgrading
my Symantec product, even stopped using it except for Password Manager),
once I got OneCare, which I think is a very capable and effective product.

If I were to re-state my problem as one of defragmenting, now that I have
drive C: to the point of getting the XP defrag to at least run, are there
any suggestions about a better defrag process?

Thanks,

DAW
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Don Williams said:
Thanks for all the suggestions. My conclusion is that I may try to move
some pieces of the "Documents and Settings" folder, but only ones I can do
safely.

What I find is that after using all the cleanup and packing tools, I still
have only marginal space in Drive C: just enough for defrag to not
complain. When it finishes It reports that most of the files in that
folder have HUNDREDS of fragments and I have never found a way to get the
drive defraged to allow a reasonable boot time.

I wonder whether some of the old defrag products, such as the one Symantec
sells, would do the job better than the one in XP Pro. (I stopped
upgrading my Symantec product, even stopped using it except for Password
Manager), once I got OneCare, which I think is a very capable and
effective product.

If I were to re-state my problem as one of defragmenting, now that I have
drive C: to the point of getting the XP defrag to at least run, are there
any suggestions about a better defrag process?


Have you deleted your System Restore points using the Disk Clean Up tool?
That can often give back a lot of space.

You best option would be to clone the drive onto a new larger (and most
probably faster) HDD. You can use the free trial for Acronis Migrate Easy
to do it.

ss.
 
Synapse Syndrome said:
Have you deleted your System Restore points using the Disk Clean Up tool?
That can often give back a lot of space.

You best option would be to clone the drive onto a new larger (and most
probably faster) HDD. You can use the free trial for Acronis Migrate Easy
to do it.

ss.
Well, let me give you the rest of the story, which I had hoped to avoid
boring everyone with. (Pardon that sentence structure)

I have indeed deleted all the prior restore points, and am aware of, and
have used all the cleanup tools.

The issue here is that I have to use this computer to run Unix on (SCO Open
Server actually) to do my Medical Practice Management consulting on, and OSR
has to boot from within the first 1024 virtual cylinders. Also, OSR has to
be installed AFTER Windows is installed. I use a special version of Fdisk to
change the boot partition and can use the Unix Fdisk to change back to a
Windows Boot. The Microsoft multi-boot program will not recognize any
operating systems other than Windows, and Partition Magic doesn't seem to be
stable for this purpose.

Regarding actual drive space, I have 5 EIDE drives (Counting one SATA drive
as an EIDE drive) and 2 SCSI drives, 2 SCSI CD drives, and a DAT tape on
this system and the drives range up to 200 Gb, so drive space is not a
problem. The first EIDE drive, the DAT tape, and the two CD drives are used
by both Unix and Windows. The two SCSI hard drives are devoted to Unix
only. My LaserJet is also shared by the two operating systems.

So, total drive space isn't the issue. The issue is the ability to be able
to boot Unix on this box. I would probably be better off in installing a
separate computer and run Unix on one and Windows on the other, but then I
have to use a switch for the display and keyboard (which I have, and which
is a good way to hang my system) or set up a second keyboard and display,
which I really don't want to do.

I have never used the Norton/Symantec defrag system on a NTFS drive, and
don't know how it may behave on one. If anyone has any experience with a
non-Microsoft defrag program on a NTFS drive I would be very happy to hear
how it behaves.

Regards, and thanks again for the suggestions.

DAW
 
Don said:
I think this has been asked and answered before, but is there a safe way to
re-locate the folder "Documents and Settings" to a drive other than drive
c:?

I really need more space on drive C:. I can explain why, but it would take
up too much space here.

Any ideas appreciated. I found no help on Microsoft searches other than
linking folders for networks, etc.

Thanks,

Don Williams

You can move shell folders using the following registry key:

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders

The names of most interest to you would be Appdata, Local Appdata, Local
Settings, Cache, Cookies, History, and Personal. In each case, create a
string value with one of the above names and give it a "value" of the
directory where you want the shell folder to be located.

As others suggested, you can use TweakUI...but the program does not support
moving any of the above shell folders except Personal (aka My Documents).
 
Don

How large is partition C and how much free disk space does it have.

Without resizing partitions you can create more free space in C by
carrying any of the measures suggested below.

The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition
which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My
Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor
on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
it to the left until it reads 700 mb and
exit. When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and
exit.

Another default setting which could be wasteful is that for temporary
internet files, especially if you do not store offline copies on disk.
The default allocation is 3% of drive. Depending on your attitude to
offline copies you could reduce this to 1% or 2%. In Internet Explorer
select Tools, Internet Options, General, Temporary Internet Files,
Settings to make the change. At the same time look at the number of days
history is held.

The default allocation for the Recycle Bin is 10 % of drive. Change to
5%, which should be sufficient. In Windows Explorer place the cursor
on your Recycle Bin, right click and select Properties, Global and
move the slider from 10% to 5%. However, try to avoid letting it get
too full as if it is full and you delete a file by mistake it will
bypass the Recycle Bin and be gone for ever.

Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.

You can generate more space in the system partition by relocation of
folders.

For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet
Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder.

To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express
Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change.
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm

How to Change the Default Location of the My Documents Folder:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310147

You may also need to change Default File locations in the Microsoft
Office programmes you choose to move the My Documents folder. For Word
go to Tools, Options, File Locations, highlight Documents, click on
Modify and change file path. For Excel go to Tools, Options, General
and change default file path.

My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders
including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated
using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to
see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change
Location button.

You can move programmes but to do this you have to uninstall and
reinstall.

If your drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises with
your operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory of
your C partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows
folder typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and $NtUninstallKB282010$
etc. These files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed
the text of the folder name appears in blue characters. If not
compressed you can compress them. Right click on each folder and
select Properties, General, Advanced and check the box before Compress
contents to save Disk Space. On the General Tab you can see the amount
gained by deducting the size on disk from the size. Folder
compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted drive / partition.

Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, System
Information, Tools, Dr Watson and verify that the box before "Append to
existing log" is NOT checked. This means the next time the log is
written it will overwrite rather than add to the existing file.

The default maximum size setting for Event Viewer logs is too large.
Reset the maximum for each log from 512 kb to 128 kb and set it to
overwrite.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308427/en-us

Another thought would be to look at BootIt NG which in my view is better
than Partition Magic.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html



--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Hello Don,

I have done this before "safely". Either you set the installation parameters before XP is
installed (I forgot the setup files required, for this, from memory I think there are two of
them). Or you redirect this folder "Documents and Settings", just about immediately after
installing Windows XP. The registry work to do this is involved, and when it's all working, you
then realise what a thankless task it was. You'll learn a lot about part of the registry though.

From my experience 98.5% of applications installed after this set up will work, some will not
yielding amazing errors.

Move the user(s) (root) folder(s) instead, and leave the Administrator's folders where the
installation places them.

For the users folders, look in the registry;

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders

---- ---- -----
Name Type Value
---- ---- -----
AppData REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Application Data
Cache REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
Cookies REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Cookies
Desktop REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Desktop
Favorites REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Favorites
History REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\History
Local AppData REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Application Data
Local Settings REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings
My Music REG_SZ %USERPROFILE%\My Documents\My Music
My Pictures REG_SZ %USERPROFILE%\My Documents\My Pictures
My Video REG_SZ %USERPROFILE%\My Documents\My Videos
NetHood REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\NetHood
Personal REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\My Documents
PrintHood REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\PrintHood
Programs REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Start Menu\Programs
SendTo REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\SendTo
Start Menu REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Start Menu
Startup REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
Templates REG_EXPAND_SZ %USERPROFILE%\Templates

If you want to do All Users (Common) look in;

---- ---- -----
Name Type Value
---- ---- -----
Common AppData REG_EXPAND_SZ %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Application Data
Common Desktop REG_EXPAND_SZ %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Desktop
Common Documents REG_EXPAND_SZ %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Documents
Common Favorites REG_EXPAND_SZ %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Favorites
Common Programs REG_EXPAND_SZ %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Start Menu\Programs
Common Start Menu REG_EXPAND_SZ %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Start Menu
Common Startup REG_EXPAND_SZ %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
Common Templates REG_EXPAND_SZ %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Templates

Create a REG_SZ value named CommonMusic and set the path
Create a REG_SZ value named CommonPictures and set the path
Create a REG_SZ value named CommonVideo and set the path

Hope this helps you.

- WindPipe
 

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