Motherboard cannot turn on the PSU

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David Maynard

w_tom said:
Many would consider a value of 4.85 at OK.

They'd have to since it well within specification.
That would be
too low and could indicate a problem with power supply.

There's nothing wrong with a power supply providing in spec voltages.
Around 5.03 means power supply is good.

True, because it too is within spec.
The other half of
that control system is therefore suspect - on motherboard.

Once started, the motherboard circuits could be a full +5
volts from the +5 supply line. This would explain why the
power supply controller cannot turn power supply on but works
OK once +5V is obtained from another source. By process of
elimination, motherboard based power supply controller circuit
is the only remaining suspect.

Not really because there's still the switch and wiring plus, while not
applicable in this case because there's no flicker of life, there's also
whether PWR-OK timing from the PSU is good (or premature as a premature
PWR-OK is often the cause of having to turn the system on and off more than
once to get a boot. The CPU goes insane because voltages are not stabilized
before being released to run) and then there is the on-board Vcore
regulator (and others) power good signal.

Appreciate why I could not provide an answer on a subjective
"+5VSB looks OK". Without the specific number, I still did
not know if +5VSB was OK. Numbers from a meter are also
required for voltages on red, yellow, and orange wires to
confirm power supply is not telling motherboard controller to
'shut down due to a bad voltage'. Also that message of bad
power would be seen on gray wire - power good declared some
seconds later when the gray wire rises to over 2.4 volts.

If power supply does not tell motherboard controler that
voltages are OK after a few seconds, then motherboard
controller will shutdown power supply. Meter can display
that.

I am not aware of any motherboard that times PWR-OK and 'shuts down' the
PSU if it doesn't promptly arrive nor can I find any specification for such
a function.

Not to mention you'd see, at least, a brief flicker of lights and fans
attempting to run even if it did.
One need not buy a supply to test. One uses the meter to
either prove a supply fully sufficient or define that supply
as insufficient. Two minutes with numbers from critical
voltages could say, "Power supply is good. Move on to other
usual suspects." A definitive answer without speculation.

Since it runs when manually activated the thing to check is whether the
motherboard is asserting PS-ON (low).
 
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Pobyms

The +5VSB is 5.07V. I will post the all the voltages of the PSU but
think the problem is in the mobo. If I could find an electric schem
of the mobo... otherwise, I dont know where to check with th
multimeter
 
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David Maynard

Pobyms said:
The +5VSB is 5.07V. I will post the all the voltages of the PSU but I
think the problem is in the mobo. If I could find an electric scheme
of the mobo... otherwise, I dont know where to check with the
multimeter.

Check them at the PSU motherboard ATX power connector. Pinout readily
available from google search.
 
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w_tom

Pobyms said:
The +5VSB is 5.07V. I will post the all the voltages of the PSU but I
think the problem is in the mobo. If I could find an electric scheme
of the mobo... otherwise, I dont know where to check with the
multimeter.

The previous post defined where to measure those other
voltages:
Numbers from a meter are also required for voltages on
red, yellow, and orange wires

Meanwhile, the purple wire voltage eliminates the most
likely power supply reason for power controller problems.
Once those other voltages are confirmed OK, then that leaves
parts of circuit located on motherboard as the most likely
suspect. A visual might find an electrolytic on motherboard
bulging - one indication of a failure that has been ongoing
for some time now. But inspection rarely finds the problem.
Without additional equipment, no better information can be
obtained in a reasonable time frame. Once those other voltage
numbers verify OK, then time to consider motherboard as
failed.
 
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vampire6

hay al
i have gor the same problem with a motherboar
what about trying to turn this motherboard from ATX to AT by adding a
on-off switch to the case or to the motherboard itself
its just an ide
its really working as an AT motherboard becase you can turn it on b
shorting the PSU while it connects to the motherboar

any comment ??? :rolleyes
 

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