Microsoft Vista Slow Performance

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Xerocomm

I am about to scream. I am using Microsoft Vista Ultimate Edition on a HP
1.8Ghz Dual Core Turion 64 X2 Processor with 2GB RAM 80GB Hard Drive Laptop.
I use simple applications like Quickbooks 2007, Outlook 2007, Word 2007 and
Internet Explorer 7. The hard drive is always running and the laptop is the
slowest I have ever used before. When I was using Windows XP Professional SP2
all was well but when I went to Vista all my system performance came to a
screeching halt. Any idea's on how to resolve or speed up my laptop?
 
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trevor

Heres the solution i am going to use since i am in the same boat - just
"downgraded" to a new machine with vista and it is the worst piece of junk
ever!

step 1: throw this piece of junk in the trash.
step 2: go to the apple store and buy a new computer.

pbb321's solution is rididulous!!! no offence to pbb but having to go out
and spend another thousand bucks on a brand new machine just to make the OS
work is insane!!!!
 
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trevor

$1000 is a best guess at new HDD and ram upgrade (retail)

I used to balk at the idea of buying a mac because the price was so steep.

But after the last 3 months of wrestling with vista, i am ready to fork out
the dough.

i disabled all the hp crapware, turned off everything i could, but still the
performance of my laptop is horrendous! I work mainly with flash/flex and
photoshop. working with high res photos is unbearable, and the number of
times that flash freezes up on me is unbelievable!!!

i upgraded the ram and the difference in performance was negligible.

my point is the fact that you have to max out your machine to get mediocre
performance out of it is ridiculous.

I was better off with my previous outdated machine with XP Pro

I've been a developer for 10 years now and im not just blowing smoke here.
my experience with vista has really put a sour taste in my mouth and spending
$2500 to switch to apple doesnt seem like such a bad idea. the loss in
productivity is far greater than the extra money that i have to fork out for
an apple.

I may be wrong, ive never been a huge apple fan, but at this point, I'm
willing to try anything to free myself from working on vista...
 
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Corporeal Patronus

Ok, i've dont quite a bit of research in this community. Here's the bottom
line....

Vista 32 bit systems has memory issues. 64 bit versions will fix that. IN
this day and age, when you buy a new pc, it's wise to max out your memory and
get a decent speed of a cpu. 1.8 ghz just aint gonna work. You need 2.4ghz
or more to activate the 4mb l2cache. You also need 2 hd's. One hd dedicated
to the paging file and the other for windows and your other needs. I've been
using vista for 3 months now with a 2.4ghz dual core, 4gb 800mhz ram, 2 320gb
sata II hd's.

Sata II has the 16mb buffer, and faster transer rates than the 8mb sata's.
Most laptop sata's come with a 5400 rm sata hd. Make sure you don't have an
under performing hd first. Other than that, your cpu is too low to
effectively run Vista, let alone ultimate, and your under powered in the
other 2 areas, memory and hd.

I hope it helps.
 
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David

In Dec 06 I bought a Gateway laptop with similar specs to yours, loaded with
Windows XP, but with a free upgrade to Vista. Frankly, I was disappointed
with how XP ran.

Several months later, I installed the Vista Home Premium upgrade from
Gateway, choosing the option for a clean install. Of course, there was a
companion disc to upgrade the drivers. WOW, what a difference. Everything
was much snappier even with Aero, the gadget bar, etc. Of course, this
Vista installation did not include any crapware or third party software
(except drivers) whatsoever.

Have you tried really cleaning out all of the preloaded garbage?
 
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David

Are you out of your mind, telling him that he needs a computer with those
specs to run Vista? Maybe the AMD Turian isn't as good as an Intel Core 2
Duo, I don't know, but as for the rest. Bunk.

I have a laptop with a Intel Core 2 Duo (1.67), 2 GB RAM, and a 160 GB ATA-6
HD and it runs Vista Home Premium (with Aero enabled) VERY well.

I don't play games. Video editing is a bit slow, but I only do a little of
that.

I have spent a lot of time on the AMD boards - they are great places to
learn - but I can tell that many of the folks there approach their computer
like a hobby, insisting on the fastest of everything in their box. You
sound like one of them. Most real world computer users don't need anything
like you propose.

Regards,
David
 
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Corporeal Patronus

Look it's not a question of AMD vs Intel. Intel Dual core has far exceeded
performance wise, for the time being.

But a computer is a major investment. Why buy the low end models, just to
upgrade sooner than later? If all you want to do is Email and Internet, then
what you have is perfect for "you". You admit that video editing is slow.
Not everyone is as patient as you are. Besides, he's running Vista ULTIMATE.
Not Home. Ultimate uses way more resources, and services than Home.

As for the Hobby approach.....

Of course it's a hobby. Whether you are emailing, or surfing the net, its a
hobby. No other way to look at it. However, just because you like driving
your Prius, doesn't mean it's gonna outlast our Denali's. It fits you and
your personality. And as long as your happy, that's all that really counts.
 
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David

Wrong. For many, it is not a hobby. It is a tool. If it works, it works.
His CPU and is memory is simply not too low for Vista Ultimate. Your advice
simply is wrong.
 
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Wayne Moses

Reply to message from "David" <[email protected]> (Thu, 13 Dec
2007 21:04:36) about "Re: Microsoft Vista Slow Performance":

D> Several months later, I installed the Vista Home Premium upgrade ...
D> WOW, what a difference. Everything was much snappier even with Aero,
D> the gadget bar, etc.

Good to read that someone else had a similar experience to mine and has
lived to tell the tail!

Like you after I clean upgraded from XP Home Basic to Vista Home Premium,
and with all things being equal, I experienced a small but noticeable *
increase* in speed and smoothness.

My beef - and it was expected - was in getting a few of my legacy hardware
to work.

My machine - Dell Inspiron E1505 w/ 2 Ghz. Intel Core duo, 2 GB Ram, and a
60 GB 7200 rpm spin rate HDD. No ReadyBoost.

Best Regards . <[email protected]> Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:03:22 -0600

=== Posted with Qusnetsoft NewsReader 3.3
 
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David

"Other than that, your cpu is too low to
effectively run Vista, let alone ultimate, and your under powered in the
other 2 areas, memory and hd."

You said his CPU is too low too slow to run not only Vista Ultimate, but
Vista period. You DO include his memory (2 GB) in your list of specs that
are not adequate. And let's not mince words between "too low" and "not
adequate."

And he needs TWO hard drives? Give me a break!

"but with the stuff i'm doing, i could make a
sandwich and eat it in the time it gets done processing!"

So maybe it is the software that you are using that *requires* the extra
horsepower, and not the OS per se.
 
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David

It was mostly good for me too.

I had the Vista disc for a few months before I installed it because I wanted
to wait to be sure that all of my software and hardware drivers were
updated. It took a bit for Canon come out with Vista versions of the
software for my printer. The worst was Palm. They didn't release a Vista
compatible version of Palm Desktop until July, I think.

Ultimately, the only software that I really like that didn't work on Vista
was DVD Shrink, but that isn't being supported anymore. Using DVD Shrink
totally locked up my computer. It *appears* that I stumbled onto a fix when
I installed DVD Decrypter first, then DVD Shrink. Now Shrink works fine.
Go figure.

Not only is my computer snappier but I like the Aero appearance, Gadget Bar,
preview windows, etc.

I did not like the UAC feature and so I turned it off. I am the only user
on this computer and am very careful about the sites that I visit and the
software that I install.

My primary ongoing issue is that when I try to open some hidden folders I am
told that I can't. It seems that I don't have the proper privileges.
Changing privileges is something that I don't completely understand and so I
am uncomfortable fooling around with them.
 
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Corporeal Patronus

David said:
"Other than that, your cpu is too low to
effectively run Vista, let alone ultimate, and your under powered in the
other 2 areas, memory and hd."

You said his CPU is too low too slow to run not only Vista Ultimate, but
Vista period. You DO include his memory (2 GB) in your list of specs that
are not adequate. And let's not mince words between "too low" and "not
adequate."

And he needs TWO hard drives? Give me a break!

Yes, his cpu is too slow to run ULTIMATE. Let alone HomePremium. Yes 2gb
of memory is low because the video card eats up system memory to cache
certain files. ie... if you video card has 256 mb of memory, it can eat up
to 1gb of system memory, and sometimes more. It's been this way for a long
time now. It did it in Xp, Me, Win2000, and so on. So when I say his
memory is too low, you should take that into account for poor performance,
and your slow video editing. That video card is a memory hog, and there's
nothing you can do about it unless you upgrade to the 64 bit editions.

As for the hd's. Microsoft recommends a 2nd hd for page filing. Or at the
very least a partitioned part of your main hd. They do not recommend the
paging file to be on the same drive as the operating system. I can tell you
the 2nd hd boosted my performance in xp and vista.

Do a search in the community under "memory" and you'll come across many
examples of people frustrated why vista or xp for that matter, why the video
card eats up their ram.

A brilliant tech wrote up the video card vs memory ratios. I am gonna have
to find it and link it here.


Here's a quote from a user named mhonzell:

-If I had a video card with 512Mb or 768Mb of memory on it, it'd take up even
more space in the 3Gb-to-4Gb memory map.
And if I were still using an AGP graphics card, there'd be another block of
memory reserved for the AGP aperture, used when devices on other buses in the
computer want to talk to a graphics card on the AGP bus. I've got a PCIe
graphics card, though, which sits on the same bus as all of the other stuff
and so doesn't need an aperture.
(If you've got a computer with one of those cheap graphics adapters that
uses system memory instead of having RAM of its own, it will of course eat
some of your RAM no matter how much you've got installed.)
Power users with a hankerin' for dual graphics cards may be experiencing
something of a sinking feeling, at this juncture. Yes, the 256Mb reserved for
my little old graphics card means exactly what you think it means: Those two
768Mb graphics cards you can totally justify buying will eat one point five
gigabytes of your 32-bit memory map all by themselves, cutting you down to a
2.5Gb ceiling before you even take the other reservations into account.
This also explains why 1Gb graphics cards haven't hit the consumer market
 
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David

MY CPU, slower than his, runs Vista just fine, and my 2 GB of RAM is never
more than 50% utilized. How do you explain that my computer runs Vista so
well?

Once again, if my computer is a bit slow to edit video, that doesn't say
that it is too slow to run Vista. It is well known that video editing is
very processor intensive. I also know that my video isn't up to snuff to
play high-end shooter games but I don't play them. But if I did and they
ran poorly, it doesn't mean that my computer is too slow to run Vista.
 
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Wayne Moses

Reply to message from "David" <[email protected]> (Fri, 14 Dec
2007 09:36:55) about "Re: Microsoft Vista Slow Performance":


D> My primary ongoing issue is that when I try to open some hidden folders
D> I am told that I can't. It seems that I don't have the proper
D> privileges.

Same here. Doesn't happen too often though so I am not too bothered.

Best Regards
Wayne Moses <[email protected]> Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:20:59 -0600

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David

I won't argue with your comments about Ultimate, but near the top of the
thread you said that his computer isn't powerful enough to run "Vista, let
alone Vista Ultimate." The says that you think that his or a comparable
computer isn't powerful enough to run other versions, which simply is NOT
TRUE, as my personal experience attests. Who is the "we" in "we're power
users?" There is no reason to think all or even most of the posters here
are that. Many don't even post their hardware specs.

I agree that people should do the research before upgrading their computer
from XP to Vista. I did that.

"No, your computer is not too slow to run Vista."

You should have said that sooner. But, "not a pretty experience?" That is
BS. How do I know, because of the computer that I am using at the moment.
 
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karl mcgruber

There is no fix for the performance degradation of Vista. Your best bet is
to upgrade back to XP. What was MS thinking?
 
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Mark

I suggest you upgrade to XP SP2 from vista. Vista is still in beta version
and it seams that it will be for some time to come
 
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C.B.

Mark said:
I suggest you upgrade to XP SP2 from vista. Vista is still in beta version
and it seams that it will be for some time to come

Mark,

Again, are you having trouble learning how to use Vista? You seem to be
a rabid Vista hater.

C.B.
 
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Keith Williams

If Vista wasn't such a resource PIG these discussions would not be happening.
ANYTHING is better than Vista. I am a computer geek with a dozen different
machines. The slowest machine is the newest, greatest hardware running VISTA.
My son's machine which 1/2 the processors (each slower) is actually faster
running XP than the Vista machine. If Micrsoft doesn;t fix the problem.
Everyone will be on Macs. As a developer I use Microsoft all the time, but as
a user all I care about is does it work. With the advent of Vista, Macs are
clearly superior.
 

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