microsoft newsgroup response time

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Louis Rost

Microsoft newsgroup response has become extremely slow over the past
month or so. Response times while surfing the net or downloading
email are rather good. Seems to indicate a problem with Microsoft
news groups.

Are any of you experiencing the same phenomenon?

Thanks, Lou
 
Louis said:
Microsoft newsgroup response has become extremely slow over the past
month or so. Response times while surfing the net or downloading
email are rather good. Seems to indicate a problem with Microsoft
news groups.

Are any of you experiencing the same phenomenon?

Thanks, Lou
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No.

Alias
 
Louis said:
Microsoft newsgroup response has become extremely slow over the past
month or so. Response times while surfing the net or downloading
email are rather good. Seems to indicate a problem with Microsoft
news groups.

Are any of you experiencing the same phenomenon?

Thanks, Lou
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No. Are you reading it directly from the Microsoft news server via a
newsreader like OE or Thunderbird, or second-hand or with a web interface?
 
No. Are you reading it directly from the Microsoft news server via a
newsreader like OE or Thunderbird, or second-hand or with a web interface?
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Using Forte Agent.

Lou
 
Louis said:
Microsoft newsgroup response has become extremely slow over the past
month or so. Response times while surfing the net or downloading
email are rather good. Seems to indicate a problem with Microsoft
news groups.

Are any of you experiencing the same phenomenon?

Thanks, Lou
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Some ISPs are implementing QOS on their networks and giving newsgroup
packets (and other services) lesser priority so that they can offer good
VOIP service. In other words even if you are accessing msnews direct your
ISP may be slowing you down.

Kerry
 
Not on a regular basis. Newsgroup access can be slow at times - the most
annoying thing is the dalay in posting, despite loading of messages and I.E.
working normal. 4 hours is my longest.
I blame my ISP.
Rgds
Antioch
 
Microsoft newsgroup response has become extremely slow over the past
month or so. Response times while surfing the net or downloading
email are rather good. Seems to indicate a problem with Microsoft
news groups.

Are any of you experiencing the same phenomenon?

Thanks, Lou
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Complain to your ISP. They are throttling down access speed to their news
server. ISP's don't like UseNet. It costs them money and few of their
subscribers even know it exists. Some have dropped UseNet altogether while
others are making access so unbearably slow, users are forced to go to paid
newsgroup services. COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN! And get other subscribers
to your ISP to do likewise. That's your only solution short of purchasing
access elsewhere.
 
NoStop said:
Complain to your ISP. They are throttling down access speed to their
news server. ISP's don't like UseNet. It costs them money and few of
their subscribers even know it exists. Some have dropped UseNet
altogether while others are making access so unbearably slow, users
are forced to go to paid newsgroup services. COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN,
COMPLAIN! And get other subscribers to your ISP to do likewise.
That's your only solution short of purchasing access elsewhere.
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With QOS they can prioritise packets based on the packet content. This can
slow down Usenet service even if you use a paid server. Most ISPs are
offering some form of VOIP and some are using QOS to give VOIP priority.
There is also some talk of ISPs using QOS to throttle back traffic to other
networks or service providors that don't pay them for priority.

Kerry
 
Some ISPs are implementing QOS on their networks and giving newsgroup
packets (and other services) lesser priority so that they can offer good
VOIP service. In other words even if you are accessing msnews direct your
ISP may be slowing you down.

Kerry
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Kerry, thanks for reply. My ISP assures me QOS is not used to slow
down newsgroup traffic.

It may take 2+ minutes to retrieve 600 message headers from XP general
group. While that is occuring, I can retrieve email and surf the net
with good response times (cable connection).

I ran tracert to news.microsoft.com and got the following.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Larry>tracert news.microsoft.com

Tracing route to msnews.microsoft.com [207.46.248.16]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 209.223.146.1
3 26 ms 27 ms 47 ms s227831-1.uslsan3-bsn.savvis.net
[64.241.66.81]

4 44 ms 58 ms 52 ms bpr1-lay.cntx04.savvis.net
[209.223.166.149]
5 202 ms 76 ms 40 ms dcr1-ae0.LosAngeles.savvis.net
[208.172.44.5]
6 64 ms 35 ms 51 ms
dcr2-so-2-0-0.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [204.70
..192.90]
7 34 ms 35 ms 36 ms
dcr2-so-2-0-0.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [204.70
..192.90]
8 46 ms 51 ms 37 ms
dcr1-so-5-0-0.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [204.70
..192.149]
9 57 ms 52 ms 65 ms acr1-so-7-0-0.Seattle.savvis.net
[204.70.193.65]

10 55 ms 51 ms 51 ms
microsoft-hotmail-exodus.Seattle.savvis.net [208
..172.83.222]
11 60 ms 89 ms 64 ms pos3-0.iuskixcpxc1201.ntwk.msn.net
[207.46.36.15
0]
12 91 ms 65 ms 51 ms pos1-0.tke-12ix-1a.ntwk.msn.net
[207.46.155.1]
13 56 ms 50 ms * pos1-0.tke-12ix-1a.ntwk.msn.net
[207.46.155.1]
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.

It seems the problem lies in the Microsoft network but I'm not at all
sure of that.

Do you have any more insight? If the problem does seem to be within
Microsoft network, how might I make that known to them?

Thanks for the help.

Lou
 
Louis said:
Kerry, thanks for reply. My ISP assures me QOS is not used to slow
down newsgroup traffic.
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Mine won't admit it publicy either. I have talked to someone fairly high up
in their hierarchy who will only say "Yes, that's possible" and won't deny
that they are implementing QOS.
It may take 2+ minutes to retrieve 600 message headers from XP general
group. While that is occuring, I can retrieve email and surf the net
with good response times (cable connection).

I ran tracert to news.microsoft.com and got the following.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Larry>tracert news.microsoft.com

Tracing route to msnews.microsoft.com [207.46.248.16]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 209.223.146.1
3 26 ms 27 ms 47 ms s227831-1.uslsan3-bsn.savvis.net
[64.241.66.81]

4 44 ms 58 ms 52 ms bpr1-lay.cntx04.savvis.net
[209.223.166.149]
5 202 ms 76 ms 40 ms dcr1-ae0.LosAngeles.savvis.net
[208.172.44.5]
6 64 ms 35 ms 51 ms
dcr2-so-2-0-0.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [204.70
.192.90]
7 34 ms 35 ms 36 ms
dcr2-so-2-0-0.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [204.70
.192.90]
8 46 ms 51 ms 37 ms
dcr1-so-5-0-0.SanFranciscosfo.savvis.net [204.70
.192.149]
9 57 ms 52 ms 65 ms acr1-so-7-0-0.Seattle.savvis.net
[204.70.193.65]

10 55 ms 51 ms 51 ms
microsoft-hotmail-exodus.Seattle.savvis.net [208
.172.83.222]
11 60 ms 89 ms 64 ms pos3-0.iuskixcpxc1201.ntwk.msn.net
[207.46.36.15
0]
12 91 ms 65 ms 51 ms pos1-0.tke-12ix-1a.ntwk.msn.net
[207.46.155.1]
13 56 ms 50 ms * pos1-0.tke-12ix-1a.ntwk.msn.net
[207.46.155.1]
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.

It seems the problem lies in the Microsoft network but I'm not at all
sure of that.

Do you have any more insight? If the problem does seem to be within
Microsoft network, how might I make that known to them?

Thanks for the help.

Lou
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It's not unusual for trace route to die once it hits someone's internal
network. Run it several times during the day watching for changes. Run it
back to back several times as well. I don't experience the symptoms you
describe when accessing msnew.microsoft.com directly.

Kerry
 
Forgot to mention in the last post that pathping is another useful utility
for doing connectivity troubleshooting.

Kerry
 
It may take 2+ minutes to retrieve 600 message headers from XP general
group. While that is occuring, I can retrieve email and surf the net
with good response times (cable connection).
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The only time I see this happen is if I dont delete the headers
currently downloaded before I download new headers. (This is in Agent)
If I delete the current headers showing in the list then download the
new headers they come down in seconds.
 
What happens when you use a genuine Microsoft product, such as Outlook,
instead of something vaguely French-sounding?
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Why would you even suggest using such an inferior product as opposed to
Forte Agent? What would that have to do with access times on a news server?
Do you have a clue?
 
HeyBub said:
What happens when you use a genuine Microsoft product, such as Outlook,
instead of something vaguely French-sounding?
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A. Microsoft Outlook has absolutely *NO* capability to read Usenet
newsgroups.

B. Forte Agent is a widely-known and well-respected news reader that
has been around for a lot longer than Outlook Express, Netscape, or
Thunderbird.

http://www.forteinc.com/main/who.php


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With QOS they can prioritise packets based on the packet content. This can
slow down Usenet service even if you use a paid server. Most ISPs are
offering some form of VOIP and some are using QOS to give VOIP priority.
There is also some talk of ISPs using QOS to throttle back traffic to other
networks or service providors that don't pay them for priority.

Kerry
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Thanks Kerry and NoStop. After lengthy conversation with ISP, with
new found knowledge, I may have a solution. ISP insists it does not
throttle down usenet, however, have acknowledged they have a problem
with mis-configured DNS server. I was assured it will be fixed ASAP.

If the solution turns out to be anything other than the DNS, I will
post back to let you know the outcome FYI.

Lou
 
Louis said:
Thanks Kerry and NoStop. After lengthy conversation with ISP, with
new found knowledge, I may have a solution. ISP insists it does not
throttle down usenet, however, have acknowledged they have a problem
with mis-configured DNS server. I was assured it will be fixed ASAP.

If the solution turns out to be anything other than the DNS, I will
post back to let you know the outcome FYI.

Lou
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Sounds like plausible explanation. Let us know how it works out.

Kerry
 
Alias said:
Ah, but it does. It capably uses OE to read newsgroups.
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That amusing part is that you don't even seem to realize that you've
just contradicted your self.


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for me, give me liberty, or give me death! -Patrick Henry
 
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