Microsoft Antispyware always runs

[Sam]

I've seen a few people in this and other news groups suggesting that
people run Antispyware on their systems. I tried this but I'm not happy
with the fact that however many options you un-set, Antispyware still
seems to be running on the system whenever I boot up. I want to use
Antispyware like Spybot or Ad-Aware - i.e. I want to update it and run
it when _I_ want to. Any way of doing this, does anyone know?
Otherwise I'll probably kick it off my system.

 

[Gary Tsang]

Turn off the real-time scanning option.

It is one of the options that can be found within the program.

 

[Sam]

Gary Tsang said ...

Turn off the real-time scanning option.

It is one of the options that can be found within the program.

I did, but something's still running when I reboot (gcasdtserv.exe) and
the antispyware icon is in the system tray (could be the same thing)

 

[MAP]

Gary Tsang said ...
I did, but something's still running when I reboot (gcasdtserv.exe)
and the antispyware icon is in the system tray (could be the same
thing)

Go to msconfig and uncheck it.

 

[Jerry]

AntiSpyware forum:
http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?ICP=spyware&sLCID=us

 

[Sam]

MAP said ...

Go to msconfig and uncheck it.

Yes, I could do that but it's the principle - if everything automatic is
disabled why does the darn thing run at all?

 

[Sam]

Jerry said ...

AntiSpyware forum:
http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?ICP=spyware&sLCID=us

thanks - might do that. Their search facility is disabled at the moment
and I can't seem to be able to subscribe in order to post a question but
will try again later.

 

[kurttrail]

I've seen a few people in this and other news groups suggesting that
people run Antispyware on their systems. I tried this but I'm not
happy with the fact that however many options you un-set, Antispyware
still seems to be running on the system whenever I boot up. I want
to use Antispyware like Spybot or Ad-Aware - i.e. I want to update it
and run it when _I_ want to. Any way of doing this, does anyone know?
Otherwise I'll probably kick it off my system.

People suggesting you use and rely on beta software to protect your PC,
don't know anything. Add on top of that, that you are relying on the
same company whose negligence created the insecure environment that
allowed spyware to flourish in the first place to protect you from
spyware! Then add to that, that MS has unholy relationships with some
well-known spyware providers, and you are just asking for problems!

A beta product, from a negligent company, that is in bed with spyware
companies!

Why don't you just take a sledge hammer to your PC and put it out of its
misery quickly & humanely?!

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[Sam]

kurttrail said ...

Why don't you just take a sledge hammer to your PC and put it out of its
misery quickly & humanely?!

.... that's food for thought

 

[Richard Urban [MVP]]

Just a note. An icon in the system tray does not necessarily mean that
something is running. Some programs (NetZero is one I can think of at the
moment) will keep the icon in the system tray, even if you tell it NOT to
start with Windows. It is there as a convenient (I guess) way for people to
start their on-line session - but NetZero IS NOT running! The icon is grayed
out, but active. If you right click/connect, the icon turns to the normal
active colors.

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[DanS]

People suggesting you use and rely on beta software to protect your PC,
don't know anything.

in reality, there's almost no software that's completely done. that's why
there's incremental updates. a beta product that allows you to use the
realtime feature w/o having to pay for it though. that's a plus. the
realtime protection offered by spybot is useless and seems to never stop
anything except for cookies. you have to pay for the adaware realtime.

the OP says they want to update it and run it when THEY want to, which
most of the time is AFTER the spyware has taken hold. even beta realtime
protection is better than none.

Add on top of that, that you are relying on the
same company whose negligence created the insecure environment that
allowed spyware to flourish in the first place to protect you from
spyware!

so, by the same token, M$ should also be the best at detecting and
removing it too, since it is their OS.

Then add to that, that MS has unholy relationships with some
well-known spyware providers, and you are just asking for problems!

is this documented ? if so, where ? i have noticed that it has
automatically allowed something to the startup group, but not for any
suspect s/w.

anyone that had M$ AS running would have got a warning of when the Aurora
(?) spyware tried to modify the shell entry in the registry, and would
have had the chance to deny it. And if it still got thru, M$ AS would be
able to clean that too, unlike spybot and adaware, which couldn't at the
time.

A beta product, from a negligent company, that is in bed with spyware
companies!

Why don't you just take a sledge hammer to your PC and put it out of its
misery quickly & humanely?!

so it's known, i'm not defending M$, i'm defending the choice to use M$
AS, just as people have the choice to use M$ Office, play M$ Flight
Simulator, or even use the built-in Zip function (which totally sucks).

 

[kurttrail]

in reality, there's almost no software that's completely done. that's
why there's incremental updates. a beta product that allows you to
use the realtime feature w/o having to pay for it though. that's a
plus. the realtime protection offered by spybot is useless and seems
to never stop anything except for cookies. you have to pay for the
adaware realtime.

the OP says they want to update it and run it when THEY want to, which
most of the time is AFTER the spyware has taken hold. even beta
realtime protection is better than none.


so, by the same token, M$ should also be the best at detecting and
removing it too, since it is their OS.

Why? It was their negligence that allowed spyware to florish. They
should be busy fixing what their negligence caused, not treating the
symptoms, and ignoring the disease.

is this documented ? if so, where ? i have noticed that it has
automatically allowed something to the startup group, but not for any
suspect s/w.

Read the effin' news. MS purposefully downgraded its detection for
Gator spyware products.

anyone that had M$ AS running would have got a warning of when the
Aurora (?) spyware tried to modify the shell entry in the registry,
and would have had the chance to deny it. And if it still got thru,
M$ AS would be able to clean that too, unlike spybot and adaware,
which couldn't at the time.

LOL! Like Spybot and Adaware are the only ASW products. And the best
defense to spyware is using common sense, not software.

so it's known, i'm not defending M$, i'm defending the choice to use
M$ AS, just as people have the choice to use M$ Office, play M$ Flight
Simulator, or even use the built-in Zip function (which totally
sucks).

LOL! Who said they didn't have a choice? You have the choice to bend
over in front of a stallion and let it f*#k your ass. Is it a wise
choice? Not in my opinion, since you risk death, but YMMV.

Any software that a company purposely labels their software a "Beta,"
they do so on purpose. It is meant as a warning not to be used on
mission critical systems, but only for testing purposes.

By advocating the use of MSAS, like the OP stated others told him, is
like advocating anal sex with a thoroughbred stallion, as you are
advocating very risky behavior.

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[DanS]

LOL! Like Spybot and Adaware are the only ASW products. And the best
defense to spyware is using common sense, not software.

I didn't say they are the only ones, but gee, the ones that are
recommended here all the time.

LOL! Who said they didn't have a choice? You have the choice to bend
over in front of a stallion and let it f*#k your ass. Is it a wise
choice? Not in my opinion, since you risk death, but YMMV.

Maybe you've had to make that choice, but I haven't. I keep myself out of
situation's where I'd be naked and alone in front of farm animals.

Any software that a company purposely labels their software a "Beta,"
they do so on purpose. It is meant as a warning not to be used on
mission critical systems, but only for testing purposes.

Uh, yeah, Sams computer is a critical system.

And besides, EVERY legal disclaimer for any companies piece of software
states that they make no guarantees of their software and what it might
do to your computer.

By advocating the use of MSAS, like the OP stated others told him, is
like advocating anal sex with a thoroughbred stallion, as you are
advocating very risky behavior.

So now I'll point out your inaccuracies about what the OP said....(just
like you have a tendency to do the same, as well as other tendencies I'm
sure, re: your apparent fantasy of farm animals)

The exact statement was:

'I've seen a few people in this and other news groups suggesting that
people run Antispyware on their systems.'

So, what the OP was saying was that people have RECOMMENDED using M$ AS
for protection.' And then went on to say what the problem was.

 

[kurttrail]

I didn't say they are the only ones, but gee, the ones that are
recommended here all the time.

Yes, and learning to use common sense isn't. It is my opinion that the
vast majority of people today that get their computers infected with
spyware, deserve it, because they'd rather wallow in ignorance than use
their effin' brain.

Maybe you've had to make that choice, but I haven't. I keep myself
out of situation's where I'd be naked and alone in front of farm
animals.

LOL! I think you are protesting too much.

Uh, yeah, Sams computer is a critical system.

I know my main computer is a mission critical system for me. My test
machine isn't though.

And besides, EVERY legal disclaimer for any companies piece of
software states that they make no guarantees of their software and
what it might do to your computer.

ROFL! And that's why software corporations are such scum. But the Beta
tag is much more of a blinking warning.

Please be my guest and use every beta you can find, but if you advocate
or recommend the use of beta software for use by everyone, that only
shows you don't know what you are talking about.

So now I'll point out your inaccuracies about what the OP
said....(just like you have a tendency to do the same, as well as
other tendencies I'm sure, re: your apparent fantasy of farm animals)

The exact statement was:

'I've seen a few people in this and other news groups suggesting that
people run Antispyware on their systems.'

So, what the OP was saying was that people have RECOMMENDED using M$
AS for protection.' And then went on to say what the problem was.

LOL! And anyone that recommends using beta software for anything other
than testing purposes is clearly demonstrating that they know nothing,
and should be ignored, ridiculed, and publicly flogged.

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[DanS]

LOL! And anyone that recommends using beta software for anything other
than testing purposes is clearly demonstrating that they know nothing,
and should be ignored, ridiculed, and publicly flogged.

Then I guess that I should be ignored, ridiculed, and publicly flogged
(nothing new here except the public flogging, but you'll have to find me
first).

OK, so, I've been testing M$ AS for a while now to see how well it works.
So far in my testing, it seems to work pretty well. I also wanted to see
if it breaks after updating itself. It as of yet hasn't 'broken' itself.

It has not destroyed my XP system. It has successfully removed spyware
from OTHERS people's computers, that could not be removed using a
combination of Spybot, AdAware, HiJackThis!, BHO Blaster, and others,
and manual cleaning and manual registry editing.

So if anyone is having a Spyware issue, I suggest TESTING M$ AS to see if
that can remove it.

(Then the rule is apparently to un-install it immediately after a
successful cleaning. If there is another problem that can't be resolved,
download and install it again, use it, the once again un-install it.)

People come here for help because they don't know what to do, and then
you ridicule them because 'they should know better', 'Safe hex', whatever
your catch phrases are.

I on the other hand, don't post other than to try to offer suggestion's,
or to respond to people the likes of you.

 

[Plato]

I did, but something's still running when I reboot (gcasdtserv.exe) and
the antispyware icon is in the system tray (could be the same thing)

Could just be a file that loads the icon to run the program. ie some
programs have a setting "just" to put the icon in the tray for
conveneience but it doesn't necessarily mean the acutal program is
running/scanning.

 

[kurttrail]

Then I guess that I should be ignored, ridiculed, and publicly flogged
(nothing new here except the public flogging, but you'll have to find
me first).

OK, so, I've been testing M$ AS for a while now to see how well it
works. So far in my testing, it seems to work pretty well. I also
wanted to see if it breaks after updating itself. It as of yet hasn't
'broken' itself.

The biggest problems I've found is false positives, broken preferences,
and telling users to ignore well-known spyware programs, but I have to
admit that I don't purposely download spyware to see how well it blocks
it, and I have removed MSAS from my test machine.

It has not destroyed my XP system. It has successfully removed spyware
from OTHERS people's computers, that could not be removed using a
combination of Spybot, AdAware, HiJackThis!, BHO Blaster, and others,
and manual cleaning and manual registry editing.

So if anyone is having a Spyware issue, I suggest TESTING M$ AS to
see if that can remove it.

(Then the rule is apparently to un-install it immediately after a
successful cleaning. If there is another problem that can't be
resolved, download and install it again, use it, the once again
un-install it.)

People come here for help because they don't know what to do, and then
you ridicule them because 'they should know better', 'Safe hex',
whatever your catch phrases are.

I on the other hand, don't post other than to try to offer
suggestion's, or to respond to people the likes of you.

LOL! I won't ever advocate that average end users to install any BETA
software no matter how good it is or not. Getting people used to using
BETA software it just plain playing with fire. It's bad enough that
many software titles that have gone gold really are glorified BETAs,
like XP gold was.

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