Microsoft Activation Stupidity

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Bob said:
Based on the contents of your post it would appear the "technical
problem" is more a case of "lack of knowledge on the part of the user".
You may want to look up "Repair install"
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And that is the "standard response", thank you very much.

Where in the EULA does that show up?

Where in any Microsoft literature that comes with XP does that show up?
 
Duh.

Mike said:
Many here simply know enough to help those in need.


They may have to, depending on the nature of the illness. They probably
don't start by abusing them first.


They have to pay for the other's time (or if in the same practice, the
time is billed back to the client).
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chrispsg said:
Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about it. When XP was
installed on the old machine an Installation ID was generated based on
the hardware components of the PC. If you change enough hardware in the
old pc you would encounter the same problem.

There have been numerous discussions about this very topic. The problem
is that when you put the hard drive in the other computer it violates
the EULA. The EULA is tied to the hardware and not an individual.
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This is only true of the OEM ELUA and not true at all for Upgrade or
Retail EULAs. The OP did not specify it was OEM or otherwise.

Steve N.
 
Brian said:
When was the last time you heard of an MVP charging for advice here Mr.
Frazzlebottom?
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The discussions of "free" vs. "charging" was rhetorical, dude.

(And there are other ways of "charging". I will let you dwell upon how
one may do so.)
 
Congratulations. For future reference, I would suggest you don't try
draining the used oil in your car before you figure out where the hood
release is.
 
"nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the
Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate
license for the Product."
 
ok here is the quote from the retail EULA

"you must acquire and dedicate an additional license for each separate
Workstation Computer on or from which the Software is installed, used,
accessed, displayed or run."
 
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
LMFAO!!!!!!!


Bob I said:
Congratulations. For future reference, I would suggest you don't try
draining the used oil in your car before you figure out where the hood
release is.
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Alias said:
Open your CD ROM Drive. Put the XP CD in it. Close the CD ROM Drive. Go
into the BIOS and set the CD ROM as first boot. Exit and save from Bios.
Choose Repair. If it's been over 120 days, you will be able to activate
online.
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Nice, straight forward instructions. Is that what a Microsofty would
tell me if I called. ;-)

However, I am loathe to go through that process. Obviously, I will have
to re-install all the service packs/updates. Also, I am hesitent to due
such a thing because then there is the possibility -- however remote --
that the repair/re-upgrade process may introduces a further
incompatibility, as we all know -- presumably -- the term "DLL Hell".

P.S.

I am still hoping that someone will say, "Just do this [magical
process] you dumb ****. Now stop bothering us!"

P.P.S.

BTW, its not an OEM version.
 
chrispsg said:
"nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the
Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate
license for the Product."
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But that statement is meaningless. Perhaps it is just beause you post
out of context.

What is a "Device"; in this case I guess you mean a motherboard is such
a device.

So, the general interpretation of the EULA is "you may run the Product
or Product's user interface _only_ on the original motherboard that you
first installed the Product on."?

Are you defending that position?
 
Bob said:
Congratulations.
Regarding...?

For future reference, I would suggest you don't try
draining the used oil in your car before you figure out where the hood
release is.
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In that case I'd RTMF.

Are you saying that Microsoft's XP manual has instructions on how to
repair install. I just looked. Did not find it. Although mine is fairly
recent. Bought it last month. I read all 14 pages and found nothing.

Perhaps older manuals have more information? What's yours say?
 
About 3 months ago I had a discussion with an MS licensing rep. They
stated that the motherboard constitutes a new or different pc. I have
heard this on various discussions. According to these discussions I
would have to defend that position even though I do not completely
agree with them (MS).
 
Bob said:
Based on the contents of your post it would appear the "technical
problem" is more a case of "lack of knowledge on the part of the user".
You may want to look up "Repair install"
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And that is the "standard response", thank you very much.

Where in the EULA does that show up?

Where in any Microsoft literature that comes with XP does that show up?
 
chrispsg said:
ok here is the quote from the retail EULA

"you must acquire and dedicate an additional license for each separate
Workstation Computer on or from which the Software is installed, used,
accessed, displayed or run."
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So, replying "It's your fault. You violated the EULA." is not an
arrogant thing to say?

The key thing you are missing that this is not an "each seperate"
computer issue. This is running the product only on one single computer
at a time. This is standard software licensing allowable under any law.

Think of it this way. One can un-install on one computer and then
install on another. Perfectly reasonable and always allowable (by
commercial of the shelf software).

What the "acquire and dedicate an additional license" means is that I
have to re-activate Windows. Just as Windows itself warned me.

The thing is, and which started all this and which no one gets (due to
my own self admitted arrogance) is that the process of re-activating
upon moving a HDD from one computer to another is BROKEN.
 
LOL,
We get it, the process isn't broken, you're moving more than just the HDD.
The operating system data is a legally licensed product. THAT is what you're
not allowed to move.
 
chrispsg said:
About 3 months ago I had a discussion with an MS licensing rep. They
stated that the motherboard constitutes a new or different pc. I have
heard this on various discussions. According to these discussions I
would have to defend that position even though I do not completely
agree with them (MS).
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As my most recent post discusses, that a MB is a new PC is not at issue
nor an issue. It generally is known that commercial software is for a
single PC.

This is about moving entirely from one PC to another PC. Moving. Not
copying.

It would be absurd that an installation of XP must and only can be used
on the first and only PC you used.

There is no violation of the EULA to put XP on another computer as long
as the previous installation is "un-installed".

That I moved the HDD from one PC to another basically the same as
un-installing and then re-installing. Well, Microsft does not like that
and XP breaks. End of story.
 
Yes one can uninstall on from the old and install on the new. But you
are not installing on the new you are simply taking the drive out and
putting it in another computer. You need to do a repair install. Then
when prompted to Activate use the telephone option tell the operator
what is going on and get your installtion ID.

I believe the reason for this would be to thwart cloning a drive and
using the same license for multiple pc's
 
No it's not broken. Windows Product Activation works off a hardware
hash. Made of up of seven unique identifiers, such as NIC MAC address,
Memory count...When XP boots, it compares the hash code with that
of the current platform. If the number of changes (Votes) exceeds the limit
then it triggers a re-activation. I can't remember in all this floundering
around if you took a working XP instance drive and put it in a new(er) PC.
If that's the case then it would immediately detect a new Hash value and
request activation. Then if you let the timer expire XP enters a lock down
mode, where you cannot use the PC until it's activated. Essentially if you
let the "Grace Period" expire then the heading of your posting is placing
blame incorrectly.
 
Brian said:
LOL,
We get it, the process isn't broken, you're moving more than just the HDD.
The operating system data is a legally licensed product. THAT is what you're
not allowed to move.
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No. Windows simply stated that it was aware of the significant changes
that that I had to re-activate. The "special, unmovable data" gets
reset and I have to re-activate. Fine. No problem. Windows told me that
I had three days to re-activate. Then Windows broke.

You see it otherwise. Fine. It's still broken.
 
chrispsg said:
About 3 months ago I had a discussion with an MS licensing rep. They
stated that the motherboard constitutes a new or different pc. I have
heard this on various discussions. According to these discussions I
would have to defend that position even though I do not completely
agree with them (MS).
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OK, you claim you heard this, but to the rest of us in this group, that
is not proof. Please post evidence to backup your claim.
 
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