memory for notebook HP Pavillion ZE5507EA

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Lu.Pi.

I own the laptop in subject

• Intel® Celeron® - 2,6 GHz 400MHz BUS Cache 128 KB
• 256 MB PC2100 DDR 266 MHz

I'd like to search on ebay two 512mb RAM or one 1 gb (the maximum
supported).
However opening the notebook I noted that the ram installed says
PC2700 (please look at the pictures)
http://i50.tinypic.com/2ypi0l0.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2z66ut3.jpg
Even if the instruction booklet says to use only PC2100.
I am a bit confused, which type of ram should I search?
regards
Luca
 
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Paul

Lu.Pi. said:
I own the laptop in subject

• Intel® Celeron® - 2,6 GHz 400MHz BUS Cache 128 KB
• 256 MB PC2100 DDR 266 MHz

I'd like to search on ebay two 512mb RAM or one 1 gb (the maximum
supported).
However opening the notebook I noted that the ram installed says
PC2700 (please look at the pictures)
http://i50.tinypic.com/2ypi0l0.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2z66ut3.jpg
Even if the instruction booklet says to use only PC2100.
I am a bit confused, which type of ram should I search?
regards
Luca

The largest capacity SODIMM you can use is 512MB. You can use two 512MB.
You cannot use a single 1GB DIMM according to this.

http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/modelsinfo.asp?SysID=17441

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=Pavilion+ze5500+Series

As "jfg" indicated in his answer, faster memory is compatible with slower
applications. DDR400 works in a DDR333 or DDR266 system. DDR333 works in
a DDR266 system. That is why HP/Compaq could put PC2700 in a PC2100 system.

According to this, the ZE5500 uses a Celeron 2.6GHz connected to an
ATI 345M Northbridge. The closest match to that, is shown at the bottom
of this page (the ATI 340M).

http://ati.amd.com/products/MobilityRadeon7000igp/features.html

(Table at the bottom of the page)

Feature Radeon IGP 340M
Memory Speed DDR266
Maximum memory 1GB (divided into two SODIMM slots, as explained in the text above the table)
Graphics Core ATI Mobility Radeon

Paul
 
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Lu.Pi.

Il 12/01/2010 22.47, jfg ha scritto:
Most PC2700 RAM is backwards compatible with PC2100 so that's why your
laptop runs ok with it. Which to buy as an upgrade? Either. If you get
PC2700 it will run just as if it were a PC2100 (that is, slower).

thank you to you and to Paul for the usefull answers.
If you say that PC2700 are faster than PC2100 I think that I will chose
the first one. Prices seems to be similar and for such a low amount I
think it's better to buy inside EU in order to avoid customs and high
shipping charges.
Do you think that with an upgrade of memory I will speed up the laptop?
Or the real "bottleneck" is the slow HD (40GB EIDE, ATA 100 4200 rpm)?
regards
 
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Paul

Lu.Pi. said:
Il 12/01/2010 22.47, jfg ha scritto:

thank you to you and to Paul for the usefull answers.
If you say that PC2700 are faster than PC2100 I think that I will chose
the first one. Prices seems to be similar and for such a low amount I
think it's better to buy inside EU in order to avoid customs and high
shipping charges.
Do you think that with an upgrade of memory I will speed up the laptop?
Or the real "bottleneck" is the slow HD (40GB EIDE, ATA 100 4200 rpm)?
regards

I forgot to include the most important link in my previous answer. This person
bumped up his memory a bit, but without a big speed bump. He tested
his disk with HDTune, and the performance curve suggest the disk was
in PIO mode, instead of DMA. That would suck the life out of the
computer and make it feel sluggish. It should be able to do better
than 5MB/sec as shown in the picture.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/50544-35-laptop-damn-slow-fresh-install-lies-bottleneck

Paul
 
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Lu.Pi.

Il 13/01/2010 9.31, Paul ha scritto:
He tested
his disk with HDTune, and the performance curve suggest the disk was
in PIO mode, instead of DMA. That would suck the life out of the
computer and make it feel sluggish. It should be able to do better
than 5MB/sec as shown in the picture.

I am sorry but I did not understand this part of your answer, the words
PIO, DMA and what is the solution.
Thank you again for your help.
regards
Luca
 
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Paul

Lu.Pi. said:
Il 13/01/2010 9.31, Paul ha scritto:

I am sorry but I did not understand this part of your answer, the words
PIO, DMA and what is the solution.
Thank you again for your help.
regards
Luca

The gentleman was using HDTune to benchmark the disk drive inside
his laptop.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5991/hdtunenn0.jpg

You can get HDTune here.

http://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe

When you run it, the result should be a curve with a high transfer rate.

http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/710m_hdtune.JPG

The difference between PIO and DMA is

1) PIO stands for "polled transfer". Your processor moves each byte,
by reading the disk interface, and then placing the result into memory.
By doing so, perhaps 4MB/sec is the rate that the disk transfers take
place, which is relatively slow. It might take a long time for programs
to start, if PIO was being used.

2) DMA transfer is "direct memory access". In that case, the disk interface
pushed the read data into memory itself. The processor just watches
what is going on, and doesn't have to do the transfers itself. It means
the processor can be more responsive to other activities on the computer.
On IDE disks (the kind with the ribbon cable), DMA modes can operate
at up to 133MB/sec. The disk drive itself, can only achieve 60-90MB/sec,
due to the limitations of the platter. If you're using DMA, the hard
drive may be operating 15 times faster than PIO mode.

You can also check for DMA versus PIO mode, by looking at the entries in
Device Manager.

If your disk is in PIO mode (4-5MB/sec), there is a section here that describes how
to fix it. As long as there isn't a hardware limitation (BIOS setting or
hardware issue), this "workaround" procedure should work.

"IDE ATA and ATAPI disks use PIO mode after multiple time-out or CRC errors occur"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817472

"To re-enable the typical, or faster, transfer mode for an affected device:

1. Double-click Administrative Tools, and then click Computer Management.
2. Click System Tools, and then click Device Manager.
3. Expand the IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers node.
4. Double-click the controller for which you want to restore the typical DMA transfer mode.
5. Click the Driver tab.
6. Click Uninstall.
7. When the process completes, restart your computer. When Windows restarts,
the hard disk controller is re-enumerated and the transfer mode is reset
to the default value for each device that is connected to the controller."

That procedure assumes the setting of "DMA, if available" is being used. After
doing that, and rebooting the computer, run HDTune again and check the results.

HTH,
Paul
 
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Lu.Pi.

Il 13/01/2010 23.33, Paul ha scritto:
The gentleman was using HDTune to benchmark the disk drive inside
his laptop.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5991/hdtunenn0.jpg
You can get HDTune here.
http://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe

Dear Paul
first of all thank you again for your patience and your thorought
explanation.
The result of my test is the following so I think I do not have to
proceed with any changement
http://i48.tinypic.com/wtypeg.jpg
I will search for 1 gb of memory and after that I will format the hd and
install again win xp and perhaps ubuntu/kubuntu or something like that
in order to try linux.
regards
Lucaa
 
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Paul

Lu.Pi. said:
Il 13/01/2010 23.33, Paul ha scritto:

Dear Paul
first of all thank you again for your patience and your thorought
explanation.
The result of my test is the following so I think I do not have to
proceed with any changement
http://i48.tinypic.com/wtypeg.jpg
I will search for 1 gb of memory and after that I will format the hd and
install again win xp and perhaps ubuntu/kubuntu or something like that
in order to try linux.
regards
Lucaa

Your performance curve looks normal (the fact the graph is curved,
tells you the transfer is media limited by the platters and heads).
I cannot tell from the Toshiba specs, whether that is the full
speed of the drive or not. Not all manufacturers give media
transfer rates. But at least you're not in PIO mode, as the
graph then tends to be a flat line rather than a curve.

http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=HardDrivesOpticalDrives/HardDiskDrives/MK4025GAS

This is a benchmark for the MK4025GAS on a review site.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dialogue-Flybook-A33i.1354.0.html

Toshiba MK4025GAS Benchmark
Transfer Rate Minimum: 14.5 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum: 27.5 MB/sec

So your graph looks perfectly normal.

Paul
 
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