Memory Expansion suggestion to Microsoft

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11-Jun-06

Memory Expansion suggestion to Microsoft
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For a quick, temp solution to low system mem and performance, is
it possible to, for example, configure Windows or Windows Virtual
Memory function to use a USB-attached flash-memory stick?

I have not heard of this being done and believe it's possible. If
so, appreciate any info on this.

If not, is there any *serious* reason why this could not be done?

Would this not be better and faster than the current use of the
hard drive for the virtual memory function? It may also save
disk space.

I believe this could be a very convenient, cost-effective, at
least temporary solution in many cases and could also aid in
comparison tests and memory troubleshooting procedures.

It is cost-effective in the sense that (1) most users probably
already have a USB flash memory stick (and could dump the
contents temporarily to disk or CD) and (2) it may be cheaper,
faster, more convenient and less-risky for an average user
to quickly expand memory in this manner - particularly when
low mem is suspected as a cause of slow system performance.


One recognizes the need for a solid connection here and one that
User must be made aware cannot be removed until after shut down -
after Windows has processed the contents of the 'stick' or saved
them to disk (or done whatever else might be required here,
before shut down).

An 'anytime stick removal' option should also be included for
if and when User wishes to terminate his/her temporary memory-
intensive function early.
 
Write to a cd ????Talk about sluggish performance,dont think that would
work.One can already disable the ExecutivePaging thru the registry,this
sets the OS to use ram instead of the hd,also,the more ram the system
has the less it uses virtual memory....
 
11-Jun-06

Memory Expansion suggestion to Microsoft
----------------------------------------

For a quick, temp solution to low system mem and performance, is
it possible to, for example, configure Windows or Windows Virtual
Memory function to use a USB-attached flash-memory stick?

I have not heard of this being done and believe it's possible. If
so, appreciate any info on this.

If not, is there any *serious* reason why this could not be done?
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Flash memory has limited read/writes ... far less than a regular hard drive
or RAM memory for example. To allocate virtual memory to a flash memory
device would wear out that device in short order.
Would this not be better and faster than the current use of the
hard drive for the virtual memory function? It may also save
disk space.
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A USB interface is significantly slower than an ATA or SATA interface, so no
it wouldn't be better.
I believe this could be a very convenient, cost-effective, at
least temporary solution in many cases and could also aid in
comparison tests and memory troubleshooting procedures.
Click to expand...
Well, you believe wrong.
It is cost-effective in the sense that (1) most users probably
already have a USB flash memory stick (and could dump the
contents temporarily to disk or CD) and (2) it may be cheaper,
faster, more convenient and less-risky for an average user
to quickly expand memory in this manner - particularly when
low mem is suspected as a cause of slow system performance.
Click to expand...
Slow system performance is 9 times out of 10 the result of running a toy
operating system like Windoze XP. Run a real operating system like
GNU/Linux and you won't experience slow system performance.
One recognizes the need for a solid connection here and one that
User must be made aware cannot be removed until after shut down -
after Windows has processed the contents of the 'stick' or saved
them to disk (or done whatever else might be required here,
before shut down).

An 'anytime stick removal' option should also be included for
if and when User wishes to terminate his/her temporary memory-
intensive function early.
Click to expand...
Your whole grand idea is just plain silliness for the reasons I pointed out
above. I guess you'll need to go back to the drawing board and learn a
little more about how computers work.


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Who said anything about a cd ???

And, if I had enough RAM available here at my friends 'poor' machine,
I wouldn't have bothered to raise the issue. I do have a portable USB
250MB flash-memory stick, though.
 
Thanx, Dennis (you in Sing, Malaysia, China, Taiwan, US, UK?).

Appreciate. If you're right, it means to me that the idea must be plausible
and useable for some logical reason - and I hadn't put my foot in my mouth
again.

If you're wrong...
 
I'm not sure this deserves a reply. Maybe you just got up on the wrong side
of the bed, you're a masochist, misanthrope or just a plain old grouch.

I'm no computer 'expert' like you aparently think you are - which is why I
came here looking for answers. If you have anything useful or constructive to
say, do so. If not, s-t-f-up. You're turning people off here and that's not
why they come here.

May I refer you to a much more intelligent answer? Check out Mr. Chung's
reply.
It sounds a lot more encouraging and informed than yours.
 
I'm not sure this deserves a reply. Maybe you just got up on the wrong
side of the bed, you're a masochist, misanthrope or just a plain old
grouch.

I'm no computer 'expert' like you aparently think you are - which is why I
came here looking for answers. If you have anything useful or constructive
to say, do so. If not, s-t-f-up. You're turning people off here and that's
not why they come here.

May I refer you to a much more intelligent answer? Check out Mr. Chung's
reply.
It sounds a lot more encouraging and informed than yours.
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If you wouldn't top post the whole thread would be here in my reply and make
more senese. Regardless, making sense seems to allude you. My answer was
intelligent and the truth. So go ahead, be as encouraged if you want with
the wrong information. That will be your problem. Hopefully, others who
read the previous postings will understand what I said and that it indeed
makes sense.


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6/18/2006

OK. All right already. Technically, most of your stuff does make sense, I
admit -
in particular that regarding Linux, 'though I can't confirm it myself. What
upset
me was the "manner" of the reply, which appeared annoying, even insulting.

Moreover, had you properly read my comment, instead of rushing thru it, you
might
have realized that this was primarily meant as a 'temporary, on-the-fly,
interim'
trial solution; one that "just might" work in those cases where there was
something
terribly amiss with either or both RAM and/or virtual-mem and where the user
was
under stress to quickly finish a project. It might also be a fully viable
and practical
alternative solution some day, if it is not already in the works.

Just because one person (you) claims it is unfeasible, doesn't constitute
proof
of concept - regardless of reasoning. For thousands of years people
"logically"
assumed that the earth was flat, too. Ptolemy mathematically P-R-O-V-E-D
that the
earth was the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around it -
'til
Galileo came along and PROVED him wrong.

So there's hope yet. Why take such a pessimistic, negative attitude?
Anything is
possible nowadays and technological progress is increasing at an exponential
rate.

I'm personally fairly optimistic in this case and I'm willing to bet that
sooner
or later (if not tomorrow) we are going to see some kind of USB or similar
"plug-in" device for infinitely faster and easier RAM (or virtual mem)
upgrade.

Want to bet?
 
6/18/2006

OK. All right already. Technically, most of your stuff does make sense, I
admit -
in particular that regarding Linux, 'though I can't confirm it myself.
What upset
me was the "manner" of the reply, which appeared annoying, even insulting.

Moreover, had you properly read my comment, instead of rushing thru it,
you might
have realized that this was primarily meant as a 'temporary, on-the-fly,
interim'
trial solution; one that "just might" work in those cases where there was
something
terribly amiss with either or both RAM and/or virtual-mem and where the
user was
under stress to quickly finish a project. It might also be a fully viable
and practical
alternative solution some day, if it is not already in the works.

Just because one person (you) claims it is unfeasible, doesn't constitute
proof
of concept - regardless of reasoning. For thousands of years people
"logically"
assumed that the earth was flat, too. Ptolemy mathematically P-R-O-V-E-D
that the
earth was the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around it -
'til
Galileo came along and PROVED him wrong.

So there's hope yet. Why take such a pessimistic, negative attitude?
Anything is
possible nowadays and technological progress is increasing at an
exponential rate.

I'm personally fairly optimistic in this case and I'm willing to bet that
sooner
or later (if not tomorrow) we are going to see some kind of USB or similar
"plug-in" device for infinitely faster and easier RAM (or virtual mem)
upgrade.

Want to bet?
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No I'm not interested in betting on your conjectures. Someday we'll be able
to use crop circles as virtual RAM. Want to bet? Until then, we'll need to
use a regular harddrive for all the reasons I originally cited.

Cheers.


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