mainboard supporting PPGA ?

S

Skeleton Man

Hi,

I bought a 950Mhz celeron a few months back thinking I could use it in my
gigabyte GA-6OX board, but I was wrong.
I'm after a board supporting PPGA celerons.. The specs for the chip can be
found here: http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL5V2

I've checked ebay many times over, but everything I see mentions FC-PGA and
66Mhz FSB, with no mention of PPGA.

Regards,
Chris
 
K

kony

Hi,

I bought a 950Mhz celeron a few months back thinking I could use it in my
gigabyte GA-6OX board, but I was wrong.
I'm after a board supporting PPGA celerons.. The specs for the chip can be
found here: http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL5V2

It's a typical Coppermine Celeron, also known as a FC-PGA,
even though intel calls it a PPGA. It IS a PPGA, but FC-PGA
supercedes that description by providing futher detail that
it's a (F)lip (C)hip too.

Your motherboard should be able to run that CPU.
"Something" is wrong, but I couldn't guess whether it's a
motherboad, CPU, power, etc, etc problem based on info
provided.
I've checked ebay many times over, but everything I see mentions FC-PGA and
66Mhz FSB, with no mention of PPGA.

The Celerons "often" called PPGA but NOT FC-PGA were the
early mendocino celerons from 300-533MHz. They were
distinctive with brown fiber carrier (pins visable though
the top of the carrier) and nickel-plated copper heat
spreader on top, looked a lot like a Pentium (1) MMX, but
with more pins on the bottom. Those all used 66MHz FSB,
but so did the later FC-PGA Coppermines, from 533MHz (there
was overlap in 500-533MHz range) to 766MHz, then first
Coppermine with 100MHz FSB was 800MHz model.

AFAIK, ALL 815 chipset boards should run a Coppermine 850
chip. Are you certain the jumpers are correct? That either
or both parts work? That there isn't something else you've
overlooked?

The primary limitation of the 815 boards was that they could
only support 512MB of memory. Otherwise they were a fine
choice. Another alternative for Celeron 950 would be any
board with Via Apollo Pro 133(T) chipset, also known as 694X
or 694T ("T" means it also supports Tualatin but not the
Mendocino 300-533 Celerons).

If your board is similar to the one in this pic,
http://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/images/roundup-jun2k1/gigabyte-ga-6oxe-1.jpg
there's a FSB jumper below the IDE ports that might need
changed. Don't know about the other jumpers but that (and
other Gigabyte boards of that era) also used
<cough>potentially</cough> defective capacitors labeled as
(G-)Luxon. If any caps look vented that's probably the
problem... though you don't mention if the board was new or
used, tested working or not beyond with the Celery 950.

Otherwise, there were heaps of boards back in the coppermine
era, partly why i mentioned the two/three chipsets, as it's
not too easy to provide a comprehensive list of them all,
but particularly the MSI and Asus from that era were good,
as the Gigabyte and Abit were having a few capacitor issues
during that period... otherwise they'd have been good
choices too. 810(E?) chipset boards should work, IIRC, but
there's no good reason to choose one today, and 820 if you
have some spare rambus memory lying around, but I altogether
avoided 820 boards and have no advice on those. Given a
choice I'd go with a Via Apollo Pro 133T (694T) based board,
because they had decent performance and the following
features beyond what some others had:

- ATA100
- AGP4X Universal Slot
- Support 512MB PC100/133 per slot 2(?)GB total.
- Most likely to have bios update for larger HDD support.
- Most likely to have bios update for Win2k/XP power
management support.

ebay is a gamble on used parts like these, you might find
something at a surplus-computer-parts type site, though i
have no idea who'd have something like that these days.
 
S

Skeleton Man

It's a typical Coppermine Celeron, also known as a FC-PGA,
even though intel calls it a PPGA. It IS a PPGA, but FC-PGA
supercedes that description by providing futher detail that
it's a (F)lip (C)hip too.
Your motherboard should be able to run that CPU.
"Something" is wrong, but I couldn't guess whether it's a
motherboad, CPU, power, etc, etc problem based on info
provided.

It claims only to support 66Mhz FSB celerons (says P3 66/100//133 or celeron
66Mhz).
Also only mentions support for celerons up to 750Mhz. I made the initial
assumption that if it supported 1Ghz P3, it would support 950Mhz Celeron.
Currently it runs a 500Mhz Mendocino.

I put in the 950Mhz celeron and try to power on, I get nothing.. fans spin
but not even a power light..
I have tried clearing cmos, and flashed the bios to the latest avilable..
makes no difference.. it's not the psu either, I have tried with no drives,
etc attached and still no luck.. (and I don't think a cheap 8MB graphics
card is too power hungry)

I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possiblity that the chip was DOA,
but I don't have a spare to try..

Regards,
Chris
 
K

kony

It claims only to support 66Mhz FSB celerons (says P3 66/100//133 or celeron
66Mhz).
Also only mentions support for celerons up to 750Mhz. I made the initial
assumption that if it supported 1Ghz P3, it would support 950Mhz Celeron.
Currently it runs a 500Mhz Mendocino.

Well, "support" is only as good as the data they had at the
time. In other words, some companies would test only what
was available at the time of the test, nothing more, and
only claim support for that and which CPUs it can ID at
post.

If that's the only problem, a bios update may do the trick.
Otherwise, there is no technical reason why it could run a 1
GHz P3 but not a 950MHz Celeron.
I put in the 950Mhz celeron and try to power on, I get nothing.. fans spin
but not even a power light..
I have tried clearing cmos, and flashed the bios to the latest avilable..
makes no difference.. it's not the psu either, I have tried with no drives,
etc attached and still no luck.. (and I don't think a cheap 8MB graphics
card is too power hungry)

I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possiblity that the chip was DOA,
but I don't have a spare to try..


Either CPU is dead, motherboard is slowly dying (old CPU
uses higher voltage BUT lower amperage so for the time being
it still works) or it just needs the bios update (certainly
bios update is the first thing to try if you hadn't
already). Also try clearing CMOS.

Most often socket 370 boards are pretty flexible, in that a
bios update isn't needed to get it running, they merely
misidentify the CPU at POST. It is curious that yours
doesn't but I dont' recall ever working with that specific
model.
 

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