looking for advice on a good all-in-one

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frankvan

in the $200-300 range. Biggest reason for upgrading from my old
compaq/lexmark printer is photos - my wife has the scrapbooking bug
(the scanning/copying is gravy - my current scanner has driver issues
with any OS besides Win98/ME. I multiboot anyways, but it would be
nice to not need a reboot just to scan a rebate form...) faxing is
irrelevant as I have no phone line.

With that, biggest factor is noticeable print quality, next price per
page. Print speed is only an issue if we're talking about an order of
magnitude difference. Twice or three times as long doesn't matter.
Been looking at the Canon MP800 or Epson RX620/700 but not firmly
entrenched in either camp.

thanks in advance
 
M

Michael Johnson, PE

in the $200-300 range. Biggest reason for upgrading from my old
compaq/lexmark printer is photos - my wife has the scrapbooking bug
(the scanning/copying is gravy - my current scanner has driver issues
with any OS besides Win98/ME. I multiboot anyways, but it would be
nice to not need a reboot just to scan a rebate form...) faxing is
irrelevant as I have no phone line.

With that, biggest factor is noticeable print quality, next price per
page. Print speed is only an issue if we're talking about an order of
magnitude difference. Twice or three times as long doesn't matter.
Been looking at the Canon MP800 or Epson RX620/700 but not firmly
entrenched in either camp.

thanks in advance

I have been using a Canon MP780 for about a year and have no complaints.
It prints great photos and using after market ink has kept printing
costs very low. The MP800 uses the new chipped cartridges so if you are
a compatible ink user you might want to consider getting an MP780 or
MP760 while they are still available.

I can't comment much on the Epson printers since I have never owned one.
 
W

William R. Walsh

Hi!

I've traditionally been very happy with the HP OfficeJet line of
all-in-ones. I still have and use daily an OfficeJet 500...and it survived a
terrible basement flood after I cleaned up the sensors inside it.

Plus, if you have special needs for faxing, it's very likely that HP is the
only company who produces a machine that will do what you want, especially
with regard to distinctive ring service or the ability to receive faxes on
your PC and print them later.

William
 
Z

zakezuke

looking for advice on a good all-in-one in the $200-300 range
With that, biggest factor is noticeable print quality, next price per
page. Print speed is only an issue if we're talking about an order of
magnitude difference. Twice or three times as long doesn't matter.
Been looking at the Canon MP800 or Epson RX620/700 but not firmly
entrenched in either camp.

I have the older mp760. I bought it as my HP psc 950 was being flacky
on the scan front, the price was right, it did slides/negatives, and it
printed on CDs. It did have one issue that required replacement, but
the replacement came postage pre-paid for the old one, not a problem
since. My only compaint about the mp760 is the fact that the software
lacks a certain maturaity that you see with HP. HP offers a full if a
tad bloated solution. Canon offers a printer which scans. The
springboard software is rather limited, and to print multi-copies it
processes everything via EZ-photo print. Not an issue if you use a
different application to scan your images from. General purpose, this
is your choice.

I haven't printed enough from the ip5200 to really judge the print
quality, and the mp800 is based on the ip4200... so I can't offer true
blue personal experence at this point. I can say text quality is top
notch on this series, as it was in the older series. I can't notice a
change in text from canon in years, which is fine because it's really
good. Black text is dirt cheap, even on the mp800. Color, well,
that's harder to judge but should be dang reasonable as you are only
shelling out for 4 tanks.

The Epson Stylus Photo RX700 I dont' have personal experence with. It
prints on CDs out of the box, where the canon mp800 would require a
tray from e-bay and some button presses. One feature epson AIOs tend
to have is the ability to scan to a solid state memory, as in memory
stick and such without a PC. I believe the rx600/620/700 all support
this feature. I can't speak about the these models directly, but
generally speaking photos on epsons are top notch. I can speak for the
r200 which should be similar, they are simply to die for, and that's
their lame sub $100 printer. Color rendering is a strong suit of
epsons. Text isn't likely to be as good as canon, nor as cheap. Ink
will certainly be more costly esp since this doesn't offer a dedicated
big black cartridge like canon or the CX series. These suckers do
waste the ink. While I do consider epsons to be fickle creatures, I
still would have to say photos are very likely to be better on any of
these.

----------------

Now.. if you are hip to getting last years model. The rx600 can be had
at the epson store for $130 in it's referb state free shipping. I
don't know if there is even a difference between the rx600 and rx620.
The rx700 is another story but i'm not seen it in action.

The canon mp780 can be had on amazon.com for $219.99. It lacks slide
scanning but has a doc feeder and fax modem, and the print resolution
is lower. A ton of aftermarket supplies for it though.

----------

Also to look at, the canon
mp800R - the wireless model
mp950. - $349.99 on amazon.com. It offers the big text black, and the
6 tank printing for a total of seven tanks. It offers a higher
resolution scanner than the rx600/6200 or canon mp800, but not the
rx700.
 
S

Slightly Sheepish

I've had an Epson RX600 for just over a year and it's been great. HOWEVER,
the LCD display has dies, making it useless. Epson don't want to know as
it's out of warranty. A quick Google search told me that this is a very
common problem with Epson, and the guy in PC World confirmed it. I would
therefore advise avoid Epson!
 
M

measekite

Slightly said:
I've had an Epson RX600 for just over a year and it's been great. HOWEVER,
the LCD display has dies, making it useless.
THAT CERTAINLY IS NOT GREAT. THE ONLY ARGUMENT FOR AN ALL IN ONE IS IF
YOU NEED AN AUTO SHEET FEEDER OR SPACE IS AN ABSOLUTE PROBLEM. THE
ARGUMENT AGAINST THEM IS YOU DO NOT GET THE BEST OF BREED FROM EACH
FUNCTION AND WHEN ONE FUNCTION GOES BAD THE ENTIRE MACHINE IS A WASTE.
Epson don't want to know as
it's out of warranty. A quick Google search told me that this is a very
common problem with Epson, and the guy in PC World confirmed it. I would
therefore advise avoid Epson!
I WOULD NOT TAKE ANY ADVICE FROM THIS POSTER. I DO NOT THINK HE KNOWS
WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT BUT HE ACTS LIKE HE IS AN EXPERT ON EVERY TOPIC.

BUY AN EPSON SCANNER AND A CANON IP5200 PRINTER (IP4200 IF YOU DO NOT
PRINT MUCH AND DO NOT WANT SPEED) AND BE SURE TO USE CANON INK. THIS
WILL GIVE YOU THE BEST COMBINATION. IF YOU NEED FAX THEN USE A MODEM
AND GET SOME FAX SOFTWARE. YOU MIGHT EVEN GET THE FAX SOFTWARE AS FREEWARE.
 
M

measekite

I have been using a Canon MP780 for about a year and have no
complaints. It prints great photos and using after market ink has
kept printing costs very low. The MP800 uses the new chipped cartridges

AND THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM. BUT THE CARTS DO COST A COUPLE OF BUCKS
MORE. IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THE RELABERS HAVE DRIVEN CANON TO PUT
A CHIP IN THEIR CARTS AND CHARGE THE MAJORITY OF USERS MORE MONEY SO
THEY CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST THE RIFF RAFF OF THE INDUSTRY.

OH BOY NOW THE FLAMERS WHO ARE IN DA BUSINESS WILL POST THEIR CRAP.
YEAH DA NATIVES ARE RESTLESS.

BE THAT AS IT MAY THE ADVANTAGE OF USING OEM INK IS:

IT WAS DESIGNED WITH THE PRINTER AS A PRINTING SYSTEM
IT HAS THE LEAST CHANCE TO CLOG YOUR PRINTER
THE WARRANTY WILL CEWRTAINLY BE HONORED
THE INK IS CONSISTENT
IT IS A KNOWN BRAND SOLD IN ALL VENUES
 
F

Fenrir Enterprises

Hi!

I've traditionally been very happy with the HP OfficeJet line of
all-in-ones. I still have and use daily an OfficeJet 500...and it survived a
terrible basement flood after I cleaned up the sensors inside it.

Plus, if you have special needs for faxing, it's very likely that HP is the
only company who produces a machine that will do what you want, especially
with regard to distinctive ring service or the ability to receive faxes on
your PC and print them later.

William

If you buy an HP all in one, make sure you check which cartridges it
takes, and what ml content it has! Nearly all of the newer line of HP
multifunction machines take the incredibly tiny 51/52 or 92/93
cartridges, either for both black and color, or just color. These are
only 5 ml cartridges, giving you 1.66ml of ink per color for the color
tanks. The previous line of HP all-in-ones, even the lower end ones,
took the 56/57 or 96/97 carts which had about 14-21 ml of ink in them.
So the newer printers take cartridges that are up to 1/4 smaller than
the last series. Nowadays you have to spend $300 or more to get an
all-in-one that takes the bigger tanks, except for the cheapest one,
without the flatbed scanner or large document feed tray (it has a feed
scanner like a standalone fax machine) that still takes 56/57
cartridges.

---

http://www.FenrirOnline.com

Computer services, custom metal etching,
arts, crafts, and much more.
 
Z

zakezuke

I've had an Epson RX600 for just over a year and it's been great. HOWEVER,
the LCD display has dies, making it useless. Epson don't want to know as
it's out of warranty. A quick Google search told me that this is a very
common problem with Epson, and the guy in PC World confirmed it. I would
therefore advise avoid Epson!

While I would agree I've had issues with Epson.. $130 for a printer
that is just like the a model that sells for $300 or $200 if you get a
rebate, when the ink costs $77 (quoting r200 office depot), is worth
considering. If you are an OEM ink user, that's basicly a $50 printer,
and it does a hell of alot for a $50 printer. But I would agree I've
enjoyed more trouble free operation from Canon and HP than Epson.
 
M

Martin

I have been using a Canon MP780 for about a year and have no complaints.
It prints great photos and using after market ink has kept printing
costs very low. The MP800 uses the new chipped cartridges so if you are
a compatible ink user you might want to consider getting an MP780 or
MP760 while they are still available.

I can't comment much on the Epson printers since I have never owned one.


Irrespective of the fact that this model comes with a fax which isn't
required I know (but read on).. I would still recommend the MP780..

Simply put the unit is the same as the MP750 which is now virtually
unsourceable. The printer uses the older style non-microchipped
catridges which means you can keep your costs down to at least 40% of
the OEM (Canon branded) cartridges and even do refilling to bring the
costs down even further (if your wife decides she wants to print out war
and peace 5,000 times ;)).

The photocopying functionality is top notch with colour and black and
white produced quicker than anything else out there (do a google for web
reviews).

In terms of the printer part itself you get the same unit as the iP4000
and this includes functions such as auto-duplexing, booklet printing.
not to mention pretty good speed of output..

The document fed scanner is a little on the slow side but it's useful
and I'm being unfair as I have a fujitsu scansnap for my doc fed
scanning so it's hard to compare :p.



Compared to any of the new Canon multifunctionals I'd say go with the
older models because the chipped cartridges are simply overpriced and a
rip off when you realise just what you can save with 3rd party
consumables. In case I didn't make it clear... ALL the newer Canon
printers use chipped cartridges so you are stuck with Canon branded OEM
stock unless you really want to try your hand at refilling...


Hope that helps..
 
F

frankvan

After some more homework, and comparing prices, I'll probably get a
scanner and printer separately... I can get an IP5200 for $130,
shipped, leaving about $100 or so in the budget for a scanner. Any
recommendations? (or just point me to where I should be reading up...).

Thanks for the help!
-F
 
Z

zakezuke

After some more homework, and comparing prices, I'll probably get a
scanner and printer separately... I can get an IP5200 for $130,
shipped, leaving about $100 or so in the budget for a scanner. Any
recommendations? (or just point me to where I should be reading up...).

Thanks for the help!

Nothing wrong with going seperates, and I have the ip5200 as well, just
I also have the mp760 AIO.

I'm out of date as far as current spiffy models, but do check out this
site for some tips
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/scanner.htm

Given you budget, I would look at the CanoScan 8400F and the Epson
Perfection 4180, which the epson can be had as a referb on the epson
site for $99.00

Actually I would "seriously" consider the Epson Perfection 3200 for
$180 referb on the epson site. It's an older model, but a top notch
one. It's got firewire if you need it, USB if you don't, and it does
very well on negatives to boot. But if you don't have film you might
save money, but it is a model that folk will know jack about.
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_1.htm

Hard to say what you need exactly as you only said "scrapbooking"
 
B

Burt

Zakezuke - I bought an epson 3170 on a great sale soon after it came out and
the scanning results are really good. Fast also. At that time the 3200 had
top reviews but was really pricy. The 3170 reviews were quite good also,
but the criticism was that it wasn't built as sturdy. Some concern about
potential shake. As expected, 35 mm slide or negative scans are mediocre as
compared to a dedicated slide/film scanner. Scans of larger format
negatives come out well, however. I don't know if the 3170 is available
used or refurbed, but it is worth considering.
 
Z

zakezuke

Zakezuke - I bought an epson 3170 on a great sale soon after it came out and
the scanning results are really good. Fast also. At that time the 3200 had
top reviews but was really pricy. The 3170 reviews were quite good also,
but the criticism was that it wasn't built as sturdy. Some concern about
potential shake. As expected, 35 mm slide or negative scans are mediocre as
compared to a dedicated slide/film scanner. Scans of larger format
negatives come out well, however. I don't know if the 3170 is available
used or refurbed, but it is worth considering.

I thought the 3170 was only available for the $200ish range, about the
same as the 3200, but as it turns out you can get it for the $100 range
on the referb market, about the same as the 4180, and the 4180 is
probally not much better than the 3170, so I say if you meet one, why
not.

But the 3200's film scans are pretty good even in contrast to dedicated
film scanners.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/epson3200/

I haven't had a chance to try out the Canon 8400F yet. Looks like
newegg has the Canon 8400F for $135 shipped.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16838111118

I'm not upto date on current microtek models either. The last unit I
bought from them was an X6 and felt it wasn't as good as their E6 it
was replacing.
 
B

Burt

zakezuke said:
I thought the 3170 was only available for the $200ish range, about the
same as the 3200, but as it turns out you can get it for the $100 range
on the referb market, about the same as the 4180, and the 4180 is
probally not much better than the 3170, so I say if you meet one, why
not.

But the 3200's film scans are pretty good even in contrast to dedicated
film scanners.

3200 and 3170 have the same resolution - 3200x6400 - and same holders for 35
mm slides, film strips, and med. format for 2 1/4 film strips. Funny that
the 3170 came out several months after the 3200! I was waiting for the 3200
to come down in price as it was more than I wanted to pay, but the 3170 came
out and I just happened to see an ad for it on a weekly special. I've been
very happy with it. The OCR software is very good, also. Today, if the
price is similar for a refurb I've probably go for the 3200, but the 3170
has more than met my expectations.
 
Z

zakezuke

3200 and 3170 have the same resolution - 3200x6400 - and same holders for 35
mm slides, film strips, and med. format for 2 1/4 film strips. Funny that
the 3170 came out several months after the 3200! I was waiting for the 3200
to come down in price as it was more than I wanted to pay, but the 3170 came
out and I just happened to see an ad for it on a weekly special. I've been
very happy with it. The OCR software is very good, also. Today, if the
price is similar for a refurb I've probably go for the 3200, but the 3170
has more than met my expectations.

I'm sure it has... I pulled up an old review on it and it does look
pretty dang good. Minus firewire which well.. probally does jack for
speed.
http://personal.inet.fi/private/luukkanen/3170_review.html

I'd say the main reason to go 3200 is for the excelent slide scanner,
and IIRC it comes with Silverfast which is a nice bonus for only $50ish
more, but is not for the faint of heart.

But any of these choices we spoke about would be better than the stock
scanner on the AIOs.
 
W

William R. Walsh

Hi!
William R. Walsh <[email protected]> is
obviously another one who doesn't pay attention:

So you've never missed anything in a post either. Good for you. Really. :)

Let me put it another way...of all the MFP devices I've worked with, the
build quality of the HP machines has been much better than anything else. I
think I already said that, however.

William
 

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