LFW of Code-Genie ?

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Code-Genie, by DolfySoft
LFW: v3.09.12, 2002-09-12

Does anyone have this release, who would be willing to share it?


......
Development of the later shareware has been dead for quite a while
now. The author has apparently vanished without trace. (And the
former domain, code-genie.com, has been taken over by some sleazy
retard. One who monopolizes old links to code-genie sw download by
sending one a mal/spy/krap pos.)
 
omega said:
Code-Genie, by DolfySoft
LFW: v3.09.12, 2002-09-12

Does anyone have this release, who would be willing to share it?
.....
Development of the later shareware has been dead for quite a while
now. The author has apparently vanished without trace. (And the
former domain, code-genie.com, has been taken over by some sleazy
retard. One who monopolizes old links to code-genie sw download by
sending one a mal/spy/krap pos.)

Dolfysoft (Adolf S.) stopped developping code-genie about a year ago
because it didn't bring enough feedback and income. At that time
code-genie was shareware ; as you mentionned, earlier versions were
freeware but afaik Adolf never wanted his software to be freely
distributable.
 
Dolfysoft (Adolf S.) stopped developping code-genie about a year ago
because it didn't bring enough feedback and income. At that time
code-genie was shareware ; as you mentionned, earlier versions were
freeware but afaik Adolf never wanted his software to be freely
distributable.

Then why did he write:

<quote
Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
Freeware. Freely distributable.
English
Installation not required, simply unpack the files
to a directory, and run cgenie.exe. Uninstaller
included.

Editor for programmers.

Powerful text and binary editor designed for
programmers. Key features: AutoSave, AutoComplete,
Code Fragment Libraries, Syntax-highliting for any
programming languages, Color printing, Text
justification, word-wrap Block and Chart
operations, Macro support in VBScript and JScript
languages, HTML and RTF output, keyword lookup
and much more.

Made by DolfySoft
http://www.code-genie.com
(e-mail address removed)
end quote>

This is from v3.0, executable dated Feb 14, 2002, so it's somewhat
earlier than the Last Freeware Version mentioned above.
 
Tom said:
@news.wanadoo.fr:



Then why did he write:

<quote
Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
Freeware. Freely distributable.
English
<snip>

You are right Tom. From what I learned when discussing with Adolf is
that when he switched licence from freeware to shareware, he made 2 things :

1) first modified the distribution policy in the new (shareware)
versions so that the sole distribution point was code-genie.com

2) he contacted most of the download sites and ftp sites where free
versions of code-genie were available to withdraw those versions.

Yet, as you pointed out, the LFW should normally intrinsequally be
legally distributable. Unfortunately, the oldest version I have is
v3.11.12, which is according to omega, not freeware.

Regards,
Antoine
 
You are right Tom. From what I learned when discussing with Adolf is
that when he switched licence from freeware to shareware, he made 2
things :

1) first modified the distribution policy in the new (shareware)
versions so that the sole distribution point was code-genie.com

2) he contacted most of the download sites and ftp sites where free
versions of code-genie were available to withdraw those versions.
Charming.

Yet, as you pointed out, the LFW should normally intrinsequally be
legally distributable. Unfortunately, the oldest version I have is
v3.11.12, which is according to omega, not freeware.

Regards,
Antoine

Remembering so many broken treaties, my people sometimes call this
practice "Caucasian-giving". A Google for cgenie30.zip turns up several
links, such as

http://adultxf.250free.com/filedown/CGENIE30.HTM
cgenie30.zip 568k

the executable is 836k, and was
Modified Wednesday, August 28, 2002, 8:53:02 AM
which brings us closer to Karen's LFW date.
 
You are right Tom. From what I learned when discussing with Adolf is
that when he switched licence from freeware to shareware, he made 2 things :

1) first modified the distribution policy in the new (shareware)
versions so that the sole distribution point was code-genie.com

2) he contacted most of the download sites and ftp sites where free
versions of code-genie were available to withdraw those versions.

Yet, as you pointed out, the LFW should normally intrinsequally be
legally distributable. Unfortunately, the oldest version I have is
v3.11.12, which is according to omega, not freeware.

Regards,
Antoine

What does the documentation originally included with the prigram
state? If it states that the program is distributable then it is.
regardless of subsequent releases or changes to later versions.
 
David said:
What does the documentation originally included with the prigram
state? If it states that the program is distributable then it is.
regardless of subsequent releases or changes to later versions.

Tom found an old freeware version of Code-Genie and indicated that the
help file stated that the program is free and freely distributable.

I guess that, till the application went from freeware to shareware, this
policy was unchanged but I cannot say that for sure. We (and especially
Karen) are still looking for the LFW of Code-Genie.
 
Tom McDonald said:
A Google for cgenie30.zip turns up several links, such as

http://adultxf.250free.com/filedown/CGENIE30.HTM
cgenie30.zip 568k

the executable is 836k, and was
Modified Wednesday, August 28, 2002, 8:53:02 AM
which brings us closer to Karen's LFW date.

Thank you!!

Last year, I'd done what I thought was very thorough searching. Came
up with a number of freeware code-genie 2x releases, but every time I
worked on hits for version 3, I only got the later shareware, or often,
just false leads back to the abandoned site that has been seized by the
sleazy new inhabitant. So I appreciate your success in this find. (I'd
given up, why I requested here.)
 
Tom McDonald said:
Remembering so many broken treaties, my people sometimes call this
practice "Caucasian-giving".

LOL 8)

.. . . .
<ot> Hey, as partial reparations for the sins of my ancestors, I went out
last year to deposit some contributions to a couple of local (Ameri)Indian
casinos. (My sole motivation, of course) </ot>
 
antoine said:
Tom found an old freeware version of Code-Genie and indicated that the
help file stated that the program is free and freely distributable.

I guess that, till the application went from freeware to shareware, this
policy was unchanged but I cannot say that for sure. We (and especially
Karen) are still looking for the LFW of Code-Genie.

In the meantime, I downloaded Tom's find, the freeware 3 release with date
August 2002, from http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/cgenie30.ZIP.

I was going to immediately upload a copy to my web space, but am pausing
a minute, after finding my investigation of this package turned out a
weird complication.

[1] File-id.diz

: Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
: Freeware. Freely distributable.

[2] Help/About

Nothing pertinent

[3] Cgenie.chm

: Licence
[...]
: Distribution
:
: Code-Genie V3.0 is FreeWare i.e. you can freely use it for your needs
: without charges of any kind. Code-Genie is an Internet-only program.
: It means that you cannot distribute the program in any form without
: asking us first. But you can place a link to the program (http://www.code-
: genie.com/cgenie30.zip) on your site, and we encourage you to do this
: if you like it.

So we have here that there are two pertinent (re distribution) docs in the
package, each contradicting the other.

Perhaps some here will have an opinion on that?

As to that which is stated in this second part, I do have some observations,
and opinion. I'm just going to sort of ramble (hope not to sloppy), and hope
that from there, can get followup of other opinions.

My opinions are very centered around this fact: The old domain is no longer
owned by the author, there is no new domain, and the development has ceased.

It appears to me that the story is that the author was soliciting feedback
(btw, in the chm, there is request for suggestions) -- the free beta testing
practice. And: monitoring downloads. During that point in time where he was
planning to gage when to flip his developing freeware over to market. That's
all done and past, now. He no longer needs freeware beta testers, nor to
gage downloads.

At this time the link http://www.code-genie.com/cgenie30.zip is being
abused. The person that now uses the domain sends over a trojan.
I don't mean that it's so bad as a virus, but that it is a trojan: There
are links all over the web to the code-genie text editor, pointing to that
URL, and one receives something else instead. Some sort of krap (Kerio alert
when I launched it), some sort of stupid trick. It would be hard for me to
believe that, given this situation, the author would today want that
interested parties end up with the trojan file that is linked to that URL.

That is, it's my opinion that the text in that CHM does not reflect what
one would reasonably expect to be the current wish of the author.

Also, again speculating on author's interest. At this time, there is not
currently developing shareware of Code-Genie against which a freeware
release would seen to be competing. Presuming this as the primary reason
that authors like to try to remove their earlier freeware releases. So,
his freeware licenses aside even, it's that I don't think there would be
the least lack of servicing him at this point, in making the freeware
easily available.

General public interest. I think that having better downloads of any kind
for Code-Genie, any releases at all, would be a good service for everyone.
All except for that dirty & sneaky entity that has taken over code-genie
domain and is feasting on a current monopoly of links to code-genie.
 
Again pretending that the one file-id.diz doc did not exist, and instead
there was only the text of the chm, a question on one main part there:
: It means that you cannot distribute the program in any form without
: asking us first.

Extent of my knowledge is that there is known contact for this author.

In cases where that is known to be true (no way to contact), moving this
part to general question, (even, what if author dies?) ---- what then?
 
Thank you!!

Last year, I'd done what I thought was very thorough searching. Came
up with a number of freeware code-genie 2x releases, but every time I
worked on hits for version 3, I only got the later shareware, or often,
just false leads back to the abandoned site that has been seized by the
sleazy new inhabitant. So I appreciate your success in this find. (I'd
given up, why I requested here.)

You're welcome. A happy opportunity to repay you for much help that
you've given me here in the past.
 
omega said:
In the meantime, I downloaded Tom's find, the freeware 3 release with date
August 2002, from http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/cgenie30.ZIP.

I was going to immediately upload a copy to my web space, but am pausing
a minute, after finding my investigation of this package turned out a
weird complication.

[1] File-id.diz

dated 2001-11-26
: Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
: Freeware. Freely distributable.
[3] Cgenie.chm

dated 2002-08-24 (and cgenie.exe v 3.0 is dated 2002-08-28)
: Licence
[...]
: Distribution
:
: Code-Genie V3.0 is FreeWare i.e. you can freely use it for your needs
: without charges of any kind. Code-Genie is an Internet-only program.
: It means that you cannot distribute the program in any form without
: asking us first. But you can place a link to the program (http://www.code-
: genie.com/cgenie30.zip) on your site, and we encourage you to do this
: if you like it.

So we have here that there are two pertinent (re distribution) docs in the
package, each contradicting the other.

Perhaps some here will have an opinion on that?

IMO the file with the more recent date governs. :( (Looks like he
simply forgot to update the other file.)
It appears to me that the story is that the author was soliciting feedback
(btw, in the chm, there is request for suggestions) -- the free beta testing
practice. And: monitoring downloads. During that point in time where he was
planning to gage when to flip his developing freeware over to market. That's
all done and past, now. He no longer needs freeware beta testers, nor to
gage downloads.

Actually the ware type flip-flopped (Shareware to Freeware to
Shareware). See: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.code-genie.com

BTW - I downloaded another version from here:
http://www.devhood.com/tools/tool_details.aspx?tool_id=405
cgenie30.zip
596 KB (610,693 bytes)
That turned out to be Shareware.
cgenie.exe v 3.03.13 dated 2003-06-11

FWIW - the LFW was labeled v 3.09.12 dated 2002-09-12 on the ACF pages
(based on a post in ACF) - that combination of date/version number
doesn't make sense:

cgenie.exe v 3.0 dated 2002-08-28
cgenie.exe v 3.09.12(?) dated 2002-09-12
cgenie.exe v 3.03.13 dated 2003-06-11

OR

cgenie.exe v 3.0 dated 2002-08-28
cgenie.exe v 3.03.13 dated 2003-06-11
cgenie.exe v 3.09.12 dated 2002-09-12(?)

anyway. . .

Thanks to Tom :) we've found a last *available* Freeware version:

Program: Code-Genie (v 3.0)
Company: DolfySoft
Author: Adolf Szabo
Install: (n.i.)
W: LFW
Ware: (Freeware) last available Freeware version (v 3.0) cgenie30.ZIP
568 KB (581,942 bytes)
http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/

Susan
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Again pretending that the one file-id.diz doc did not exist, and instead
there was only the text of the chm, a question on one main part there:
The .chm would probably be considered to be the most relevant file as
it is more difficult to change. The .diz could have been witten by
anyone.
Extent of my knowledge is that there is known contact for this author.

In cases where that is known to be true (no way to contact), moving this
part to general question, (even, what if author dies?) ---- what then?

If the author dies then it would be up to his estate to give
permission. If the author, or his estate, are not reachable then
permission cannot be obtained and distribution would be prohibited in
my considered opinion.
 
Anyone remembered Norton's on-line help system?
The .chm would probably be considered to be the most relevant file as
it is more difficult to change. The .diz could have been witten by
anyone.


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Tom McDonald said:
You're welcome. A happy opportunity to repay you for much help that
you've given me here in the past.

Ahh, you are supremely gracious! I always enjoy your posts, you might
know, and your emphasis on tools that are adroit and fine-tuned.
 
Susan Bugher said:
FWIW - the LFW was labeled v 3.09.12 dated 2002-09-12 on the ACF pages
(based on a post in ACF) - that combination of date/version number
doesn't make sense:

cgenie.exe v 3.0 dated 2002-08-28
cgenie.exe v 3.09.12(?) dated 2002-09-12
cgenie.exe v 3.03.13 dated 2003-06-11

Story I found is that he'd changed the versioning format mid-stream. Below
is a chunk from the history page (copied from the chm of the v3.03.13):

......................................................................
| 2002-09-02
| Program update: Lot of smaller bug fixes, enhancements,
| corrections and modifications took place in the program and its
| accompanying files.
| Build-date caused a lot of confusions amongst the users, so from
| now it is built in the version-number. So Version: 3.09.02 means
| that the build date of the exe file is 2nd of September. Version
| number is displayed in the About Box of the Help menu.
| From now on Code-Genie supports the new XP-look. So people who
| use Windows XP can enjoy the new sleek look.
|
| 2002-09-04
| Bug fixed: UnIndent didn't unindent the last line of the
| selection if the last line was the last line of the document.
| Discovered by: Nous
|
| 2002-09-10
| Bug fixes: The new build fixes several smaller bugs in the
| program, and in the tips.txt file.
|
| 2002-09-24
| Licence change: Code-Genie is not freeware any more. This is
| because the possibility of voluntarily donations was not
| incentive enough for you to support the program. So this was a
| neccessary step to keep the product alive.
......................................................................
anyway. . .

Thanks to Tom :) we've found a last *available* Freeware version:

Program: Code-Genie (v 3.0)
Company: DolfySoft
Author: Adolf Szabo
Install: (n.i.)
W: LFW
Ware: (Freeware) last available Freeware version (v 3.0) cgenie30.ZIP
568 KB (581,942 bytes)
http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/

This is good news; I think the world is a better place now. :) Hope it
will soon work out that there can be fewer hits to the sleaze site that's
hosting the fake cgenie*.zip files.

.. . . .

Incidentally, encouraged by Tom's success, I went out once again to scrape
the web as thoroughly as I could. I did /sort of/ find a download link for
the LFW (cgenie.exe v3.09.12, 2002-09-12), but not quite. I mean that it's
basically the LFW -- but that it is not in the intended distribution form.

http://empire.iwireweb.com/forums/index.php?download=14
| [...] I've customized this copy specifically for Euphoria programmers,
| and packaged it as a self extracting executable.

The config files are not as originally issued. They are altered to someone's
personal prefs. Also this is inconveniently packed up as a WinRAR SFX. I
see this only as a usable download for someone (like me) who might want
to converge their config files with the unaltered components of the package.

But clearly it does not make a good link for the LFW; best to stay with the
unaltered package.
 
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