KB files..help please

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Win XP Pro
IE 6

In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the best
way to remove if possible please?

TIA
Terry
 
Terry said:
In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the best
way to remove if possible please?

Those are files from past updates. If you are sure that you will not
want to ever uninstall any of those updates, then just delete them.
 
Win XP Pro
IE 6

In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the best
way to remove if possible please?

TIA
Terry

If you want, you can back them all up to a CD-R and then delete them.
But since XP service pack 3 will be out in the not too distant future
and supercedes all those KB patches, you can delete them. My practice
is to keep the KB backups if they are 3 months old or newer just in
case.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
Thanks all

Backed up prior to removing.....on reboot and various program runs, still OK
Regards

Terry
 
Terry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
Win XP Pro
IE 6

In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB.
What is the best way to remove if possible please?
That means "Knowledge Base" and is the list of all the updates,
security patches, etc. that you've downloaded over time. If you
delete them you won't be able to reapply them without re-
downloading. Some people do delete them once they are SURE their
system is stable but unless you are really short of disk space,
just leave that folder alone.
 
Thee Chicago Wolf added these comments in the current discussion
du jour ...
If you want, you can back them all up to a CD-R and then
delete them. But since XP service pack 3 will be out in the
not too distant future and supercedes all those KB patches,
you can delete them. My practice is to keep the KB backups if
they are 3 months old or newer just in case.
That is assuming the OP or others like me intend to install SP3. I
do NOT because I have intentionally not install every MS update
after lurking and discovering that some folks have problems with
some updates. Since my system is stable and I don't want any
slipped in surprises, I will probably pay for an SP3 delivery fee
but not actually install it.
 
That is assuming the OP or others like me intend to install SP3. I
do NOT because I have intentionally not install every MS update
after lurking and discovering that some folks have problems with
some updates. Since my system is stable and I don't want any
slipped in surprises, I will probably pay for an SP3 delivery fee
but not actually install it.

It is all contingent upon what a user has installed on his / her
system that oft determines how well a service pack or patch is
received into the established environment. Microsoft cannot possibly
account for every single application that is out there and be able to
test against them. That just isn't possible. It isn't rational to
avoid service pack 3 since the vast majority of updates since SP2 are
already built in. If you system is stable now, it'll likely be stable
with SP3. I am running build 3311 on my production work laptop with
zero issues. It was stable before I installed SP3 and is stable
currently.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
Thee Chicago Wolf added these comments in the current discussion
du jour ...
It is all contingent upon what a user has installed on his /
her system that oft determines how well a service pack or
patch is received into the established environment. Microsoft
cannot possibly account for every single application that is
out there and be able to test against them. That just isn't
possible. It isn't rational to avoid service pack 3 since the
vast majority of updates since SP2 are already built in. If
you system is stable now, it'll likely be stable with SP3. I
am running build 3311 on my production work laptop with zero
issues. It was stable before I installed SP3 and is stable
currently.
I agree with your basic thesis except for SP3.

At some point - I thought it would be Vista - MS needs to cut the
apron strings to the old DOS days including its 8.3 file name
restriction, make Windows a modern GUI O/S, get rid of the bloat
that comes from at least trying to accomodate every piece of
legacy SW and HW ever invented, and maybe, just maybe, improve
its reliability. To do that, of course, they would need to
obsolete all of its earlier customers, which they are loathe to
do. Still, if they don't do it someday on all-NEW versions, they
will never attain the stability that the loyal Mac and Linux
people claim.

As to whether any SP is or is not stable depends highly on system
configs and what HW, SW, video card, and other things you have.
e.g., you're running just fine with a pre-release SP3 but I may
have a major blowdown. But, please don't insult everyone by
suggesting they aren't rational if they don't install SP3;
instead, re-read your own reply - the part about it being
impossible for MS to account for everything and ask yourself this
question: "how can SP3 possibly be 100% bug free and stable for
everyone?" Mathematicians clain they can prove that NO software
is or can be bug free so why risk a visit from Murphy if you're
already up-to-date and running just fine? Yes, yes, I know the OP
is not running just fine and SP3 might just help them ...
 
I agree with your basic thesis except for SP3.
At some point - I thought it would be Vista - MS needs to cut the
apron strings to the old DOS days including its 8.3 file name
restriction, make Windows a modern GUI O/S, get rid of the bloat
that comes from at least trying to accomodate every piece of
legacy SW and HW ever invented, and maybe, just maybe, improve
its reliability. To do that, of course, they would need to
obsolete all of its earlier customers, which they are loathe to
do. Still, if they don't do it someday on all-NEW versions, they
will never attain the stability that the loyal Mac and Linux
people claim.

A lot of folks want to cut the umbilical on DOS but a lot of Admins
use the command line tools to do stuff that they can't in GUI. It's
sad but true. Even Server 2008 touts Powershell as a prerequisite. Any
uber geek or IT guy who's been around knows Powershell is the
Microsoft response to trying to get the command-line Linux crowd over
to and / or comfortable with Server 2008. DOS is not going away any
time soon, sadly.
As to whether any SP is or is not stable depends highly on system
configs and what HW, SW, video card, and other things you have.
e.g., you're running just fine with a pre-release SP3 but I may
have a major blowdown. But, please don't insult everyone by
suggesting they aren't rational if they don't install SP3;
instead, re-read your own reply - the part about it being
impossible for MS to account for everything and ask yourself this
question: "how can SP3 possibly be 100% bug free and stable for
everyone?" Mathematicians clain they can prove that NO software
is or can be bug free so why risk a visit from Murphy if you're
already up-to-date and running just fine? Yes, yes, I know the OP
is not running just fine and SP3 might just help them ...

Well, I am not intending to insult anyone. Most system problem are the
fault of software, not hardware. Drivers have gotten very stable and
I've yet to see a drive blow out a system. Software incompatibilities
and poor coding seem to be culprit. NO service pack can fix that, ha
ha ha.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
Thee Chicago Wolf added these comments in the current discussion
du jour ...
A lot of folks want to cut the umbilical on DOS but a lot of
Admins use the command line tools to do stuff that they can't
in GUI. It's sad but true. Even Server 2008 touts Powershell
as a prerequisite. Any uber geek or IT guy who's been around
knows Powershell is the Microsoft response to trying to get
the command-line Linux crowd over to and / or comfortable with
Server 2008. DOS is not going away any time soon, sadly.

I can well understand this but couldn't MS develop an admin
toolkit for that? Just for grins, what do Mac admins do? I'm not
dissing you, I don't know. I was just commenting on a way that MS
could increase stability and decrease bugs.
Well, I am not intending to insult anyone. Most system problem
are the fault of software, not hardware. Drivers have gotten
very stable and I've yet to see a drive blow out a system.
Software incompatibilities and poor coding seem to be culprit.
NO service pack can fix that, ha ha ha.
OK, but people like me do read "if you're rational you'll install
SP3" as an implication that resisting makes me somehow irrational
when I do, in fact, have my reasons the same as you have for
wanting a command line. Let's let it drop, OK?

As to what causes the most problems, I think it is a chicken and
egg thing. i.e., HW wouldn't cause problems if it didn't need SW
- drivers - to run, so which is the real culprit? But, my opinion
of getting HW drivers and the like from the manufacturer and not
from Bill the Gates still applies, I've read far to many tales of
woe from people who let Windows update their drivers. Just one
old fool's opinion, YMMV.
 
Terry added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

That means "Knowledge Base" and is the list of all the updates,
security patches, etc. that you've downloaded over time. If you
delete them you won't be able to reapply them without re-
downloading. Some people do delete them once they are SURE their
system is stable but unless you are really short of disk space,
just leave that folder alone.


I completely agree with that last sentence. And I'll add that if you
are that short of disk space that the small amount these take up would
make a difference, deleting them would just be a stopgap measure. If
that's the situation, another drive or a bigger drive is urgently
needed.
 
Terry said:
Win XP Pro
IE 6

In windows folder I have over 100 files beginning with KB. What is the
best way to remove if possible please?

TIA
Terry

Note that each of those .log file has an associated flue folder that starts
with $NTuninstallKB - if you're going to remove one you might as well remove
the other.

Once you remove these you cannot uninstall that update, so I always wait 60
days before removing them.
 
Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...
I completely agree with that last sentence. And I'll add that
if you are that short of disk space that the small amount
these take up would make a difference, deleting them would
just be a stopgap measure. If that's the situation, another
drive or a bigger drive is urgently needed.
As is usual, Ken, I agree with you completely. My system shows just
823MB out of a partition size of 49GB. I run a light load so only
15GB is being used including my pagefile.sys and RPs so less than a
gig for the updates is small potatoes. Maybe someday I'll run them
all to optical ...
 
Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

As is usual, Ken, I agree with you completely.


Thanks, Jerry.

My system shows just 823MB


To put that 823MB into perspective, 823,000,000 looks like a big
number, but in these days of $100 500GB drives, it's under half a
dollar's worth of disk space.
 
Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...
Thanks, Jerry.

You deserve the kudos, Ken. You're one of the most consistently
helpful people I've had the pleasure of talking to. Worse is I
agree with you almost all the time said:
To put that 823MB into perspective, 823,000,000 looks like a
big number, but in these days of $100 500GB drives, it's under
half a dollar's worth of disk space.

For another perspective, when I buy single layer DVD-Rs on sale,
they're only about two bits apiece in a spindle of 50 or 100.
That's only about 10 cents a gig for pretty reliable backups.
 
Ken Blake, MVP added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...


You deserve the kudos, Ken. You're one of the most consistently
helpful people I've had the pleasure of talking to.



Thanks again. Very nice of you to say so.

Worse is I
agree with you almost all the time, now THAT worries me! <grin>


LOL!
 
I can well understand this but couldn't MS develop an admin
toolkit for that? Just for grins, what do Mac admins do? I'm not
dissing you, I don't know. I was just commenting on a way that MS
could increase stability and decrease bugs.

You would think. There are toolkits and all these little add-ons but
who the heck can remember to install them all much less keep track of
them? With a Mac, the official mantra is if it can't be done via GUI,
the command line isn't supported. Meaning, the GUI is robust enough to
accommodate whatever you need done but if one does have to drop down
to the command line, Mac doesn't officially support it. Very count to
Redmond logic, no?
OK, but people like me do read "if you're rational you'll install
SP3" as an implication that resisting makes me somehow irrational
when I do, in fact, have my reasons the same as you have for
wanting a command line. Let's let it drop, OK?

As to what causes the most problems, I think it is a chicken and
egg thing. i.e., HW wouldn't cause problems if it didn't need SW
- drivers - to run, so which is the real culprit? But, my opinion
of getting HW drivers and the like from the manufacturer and not
from Bill the Gates still applies, I've read far to many tales of
woe from people who let Windows update their drivers. Just one
old fool's opinion, YMMV.

True, software does drive hardware but only to the extent that a
certain device is designed to do a certain thing. When a device is
asked to do something outside the parameters of its job, then things
get tricky. The only times I avoid WU for drivers is video drivers.
The ones for NIC or monitor are usually safe. Cheers.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 

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