Java Problems of course

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Burt

Hey,
I will start with: I have no problems viewing my own web
site with my old 98.. My new XP PRO would not view the java
oriented pages well at all... Instead of rippleing water effects
it was a blurry mess and some of the pages wouldn't show the
Snow scripts, soooooo, I found a copy of "msjavx86.exe" on a
third party site (recommended in these groups), so I downloaded
and installed it and now all the site works fine EXCEPT this page.
Maybe one of you MVP's would check the page on your XP PRO
and see if you can view it correctly..
Go here:
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/peace.htm
On this new XP Pro of mine, the bottom half of the window is
nothing but a bunch of vertical lines....
Why would my OLD 98 FE view it fine and this one not?
Is there probably a java "helper" in my old 98 that allows
it to view it OK?
Hope you can help me with this problem.
--
Burt
The Old Alaskan
MVP's listed on TECKPAGE
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/teckpage.htm
 
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Burt said:
I will start with: I have no problems viewing my own web
site with my old 98.. My new XP PRO would not view the java
oriented pages well at all... Instead of rippleing water effects
it was a blurry mess and some of the pages wouldn't show the
Snow scripts, soooooo, I found a copy of "msjavx86.exe" on a
third party site (recommended in these groups), so I downloaded
and installed it and now all the site works fine EXCEPT this page.
Maybe one of you MVP's would check the page on your XP PRO
and see if you can view it correctly..
Go here:
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/peace.htm
On this new XP Pro of mine, the bottom half of the window is
nothing but a bunch of vertical lines....
Why would my OLD 98 FE view it fine and this one not?
Is there probably a java "helper" in my old 98 that allows
it to view it OK?
Hope you can help me with this problem.
Click to expand...

Looks fine in I.E.6 here, but is apparently a MS-centric coded page as it
does not render with Sun's latest JAVA.
 
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JAX

I'm not one of the "MVP's" but, I use the same download of MSVM as you and
the picture looks fine. After you installed VM, did you go to Windows Update
and download and install the "Hotfix" for JAVA?

JAX
 
J

JAX

A second thought; If you did the update, perhaps the refresh rate is set too
low on your monitor. I think that could cause the reflection to show as just
lines, not sure about that.

JAX
 
J

JAX

The tolerance of the refresh rate is different from one monitor to another.
If you don't know what the max is, try 75 and see if that helps. If it looks
better but, still not right, try 85. I doubt that it would be any problem.

LOL, JAX
 
J

Jim Byrd

Hi Burt - I think you need to reinstall the MS Java VM as below.

You can test whether Java is working on your machine at the following
sites:

http://www.pocoso.de/pocoso052.html
http://www.clan.lib.ri.us/clan/javatest.html
http://www.fitwise.com/testjava.asp (both 1.0 and 1.1 and what's
installed)
http://coglab.wadsworth.com/support/browsercheck.html
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/webct/browser_detect.html

and you can test Javascript here:
http://www.dancespots.net/browsertest.htm

and check whether you have the MS VM installed and which version here:
http://www.visualware.com/personal/support/index.html#java

There is good information concerning all aspects of the Java situation here:
http://www.javatester.org/installing.html

Be aware, however, that after Sept. 30, 2004, MS will apparently no longer
be distributing Java or providing any support for Java including
security fixes. (It's unclear as to how 6/26/03 court decision will
affect this) See here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/news/jre.asp, and
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/ ,and more recently here:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....RBAELCFEY?type=technologyNews&storyID=3572282
so you
might want to start thinking about the future.

You can get the Sun Java J2SE RunTimes or SDK here:
http://java.sun.com/downloads/index.html (all versions - select using
the dropdown)

Sun also offers an automatic download and install of the 1.4 Java
plug-in here: http://java.sun.com/getjava/download.html



For the MS Java VM, you may need to install v.3809 prior to upgrading
to v. 3810 if you didn't previous have MS Java v. 3805 or 3809
installed.

If your OS is Win2000 SP2, SP3 but NOT SP4 then you can download and
install the MS Java VM v. 3809 from here:
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._510A502BA8F9B6F19230BB2BCCE87D5474AC9DCD.exe
or here:
http://www.biologylab.awlonline.com/MSJavaVM/Software/en/com_microsoft.windo
ws2000/x86win2k/com_microsoft.Q810030_W2K_SP4_5849/Q810030_W2K.exe

For Win2000 SP4, you'll need to re-install v.3805, from here:
http://www.download.support.safetec.net/msjavx86/msjavx86.exe
http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer/msjavx86.exe


For all other OS's:

Download and install the MS Java VM v. 3809 from one of the links here:
http://ftp.idilis.ro/windows/sp/jvm98/msjavwu.exe, or here:
http://www.biologylab.awlonline.com...XP/com_microsoft.javavm_3809_5853/msjavwu.exe,
or here: http://secinfo.huji.ac.il/patches/Win-xp/msjavwu.exe


Then upgrade to v. 3810:

For all OS's except Win2kSP4 obtain v. 3810 here:
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1050022631 ,or here:
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m...l/MSJavWU_8073687b82d41db93f4c2a04af2b34d.exe

For Win2k - SP2, SP3 - you can also obtain v. 3810 from Microsoft here:
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...-9b18-423356321682/Q816093_W2K_SP4_X86_EN.exe

For Win2kSP4, to get 3810 from Microsoft you now have to get Q816093 from
Windows Update Catalog - use the entry for Windows 2000 SP4 (this seems to
be the only Win2k option that has it) and then find 816093 in the list. You
can find directions for using the Windows Update Catalog functions here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;323166. (I am
informed by Torgeir Bakken, MVP, that if you rename the downloaded file from
here: http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1050022631 to
msjavwu.exe it will then also work for SP4.)

Both Java VM's can co-exist on your machine quite nicely. Just select
which one you want to use in Tools|Internet Options|Advanced and restart
all IE browsers. Here, courtesy of Michel Gallant, MVP Security, is a
tiny utility which allows you to toggle and view status of your current
Java VM vendor associated with IE:
http://pages.istar.ca/~neutron/SelectIEJVM

A note from Mitch Gallant:

"One note about the JVM Selector utility:
If/when you install a new version of Sun J2SE, you need to manually
select to have Sun JVM as default JVM for IE (in install), or after
install
via the JavaPlugin control panel. This generates the necessary win32
registry
entries, which must be present for the utility to know about JavaPlugin.
After that, the utility should work properly."



--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



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Burt

Jim,
I am about at wits end with this deal.. I have done all the tests
below and they all seem to work... I downloaded and installed the
Sun java packages and they wouldn't work hardly at all, so I removed
them via ADD/REMOVE and then went and got all the Java stuff
offered (either by 3rd party or MS) and downloaded and installed
all that... Everything on my web site works except that one page..
What I can't figure out is WHAT is the diff between this new
XP and my old 98 that lets the 98 view it without any problems?
Hope you have some other insight into this... It is a little bit
discourageing to have this beautiful new machine (I had Dell
build it custom for me LOADED ,"Paid a bundle for it too") and here it won't
open a simple page that 98 machine will... There has to be an answer
to this... Hope we can figure out something.
Thanks for the help you have given me already and hope
we can come with something that will work..
Test page that won't work:
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/peace.htm
--
Burt
The Old Alaskan
MVP's listed on TECKPAGE
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/teckpage.htm
 
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Kelly

Hi Burt,

That particular page has Java Script, a bit different from the rest
mentioned. I can view it fine from here on three systems. Could this be a
Netscape issue? Good luck!
 
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Burt

Kelly,
A moment to thank you for your previous help.
As for this one page not loading on this new puter.
I did ALL of the above in this thread and according
to all the tests, it worked fine with either the SUN
or the MS VM, BUT, the Sun stuff didn't work as
good as the MS.... Neither one will open that one page
and it is the only one that won't work right on this new
puter.... I just can't believe that my old 98 will show
all this stuff just fine. This new one has some specs:
3.2 gig processor, 2@120 HD's, 256 MB Video card,
1 gig ram and 128 bit sound card... It does work and it
is FAST (trust me on that one). Of course Roxio CD and
CD + DVD writer.... I am having actually quite a few
little probs with it... I downloaded your save settings
deal and it worked, also your bags8000, and your show
users at boot up... They seem to be working OK..
I am a little discouraged about this Java thing not working.
I just hope we can come up with an answer..
As for Netscape, I don't and won't use their stuff.. I don't
like second fiddle..
Burt
Kelly said:
Hi Burt,

That particular page has Java Script, a bit different from the rest
mentioned. I can view it fine from here on three systems. Could this be a
Netscape issue? Good luck!




Burt said:
Jim,
I am about at wits end with this deal.. I have done all the tests
below and they all seem to work... I downloaded and installed the
Sun java packages and they wouldn't work hardly at all, so I removed
them via ADD/REMOVE and then went and got all the Java stuff
offered (either by 3rd party or MS) and downloaded and installed
all that... Everything on my web site works except that one page..
What I can't figure out is WHAT is the diff between this new
XP and my old 98 that lets the 98 view it without any problems?
Hope you have some other insight into this... It is a little bit
discourageing to have this beautiful new machine (I had Dell
build it custom for me LOADED ,"Paid a bundle for it too") and here it won't
open a simple page that 98 machine will... There has to be an answer
to this... Hope we can figure out something.
Thanks for the help you have given me already and hope
we can come with something that will work..
Test page that won't work:
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/peace.htm
--
Burt
The Old Alaskan
MVP's listed on TECKPAGE
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/teckpage.htm
Click to expand...
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....-9b18-423356321682/Q816093_W2K_SP4_X86_EN.exe seems
to list.
You file
from
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
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Jim Byrd

Hi Burt - One more thing I'd like you to try. Java and JavaScript are two
different things.

For JavaScript: download the latest engine for your particular OS here:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/results.aspx?productID=&freetext=jscript&DisplayLang=en
(URL may wrap.) (Get both "Windows Script 5.6" and "JScript 5.6 Security
Patch" for your particular OS.)

My experience with that page is that it will render OK for me on Win2kProSP4
using the MS Java, but not with the Sun Java. Try re-installing/upgrading
your scripting engine and see what it does.

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Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



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Burt

Jim,
I did the two you mentioned and still NO cigar..
Would you like me to take a small screen shot of what
I am seeing on this screen? Would that do you any good?... I can do it
in about a minute.
Burt
 
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Burt

Jim,
I got to thinking!!! That could be dangerous!
Anyway, do you suppose we are looking in the wrong place for
this problem.. Could it be the refresh rate on the monitor?
It came from Dell set at 60 and I kicked it up to 75 and it
is allowable to go to 85 and the top they say for this monitor
is 100. It is a Dell M992 (Sony) monitor and the one on my other
Dell is a P992 (Sony)... I wanted the "P" series with this new one
but they tell me they aren't available anymore unless you go to
the 21".. These are both 19's..
Was just a thot..
Burt
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Jim Byrd

Hi Burt - I'm not inclined to believe it's a monitor problem, since I get
two different results rendered when using the Sun Java VM (incorrect) and
the MS Java VM (correct) on my Win2kPro system. I suspect that it's a
coding issue (although the source looks pretty straightforward to me).

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



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Burt

Hi again Jim,
The thing I can't figure out is that I have viewed that same page
on quite a few machines in the our town and it views fine, so it must
be something awry in just this machine.. Of the machines I have
viewed it on are most OS's as well... Hmmmmm.
While I am here: On this new machine, OE doesn't HIGHLIGHT
the headers that have new replies like my old machine did. Are
you familiar with that? Seems this new one has quite a few little
"abnormalities" for being out of the box... I don't remember
having all this trivial stuff with my other Dell which is now 5
years old and still runs flawlessly. Just as a point of interest,
the old Dell only has a STB N Vidia 8MB video card and it is
almost as fast as this one. As you might have seen on another
post, this one has the 256 MB card.. However, overall, this
one is much faster at opening programs.
Thanks much for your continued help here...
--
Burt
The Old Alaskan
You know you are getting old when everything either dries up or leaks.
MVP's listed on TECKPAGE
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/teckpage.htm
 
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Jim Byrd

Hi Burt - Given all the other stuff you're seeing, have you done a
repair/re-install of IE and/or checked which version of IE and OE you have
installed?

There is no direct Repair function for IE6 in XP. Here are some
alternatives:


1. With XP you need to go to Start|Run and type "sfc /scannow" (without the
quotes and notice the space between the c and the /.) Have your XP CD handy
and be prepared to go get a cup of coffee - it takes a while. This will do
the same thing as Repair IE6 for XP but a lot more, that is find any corrupt
system files and replace them. It does not, however, re-register the
various software components (except possibly the ones it replaces?) AFAIK.

Be aware that under certain circumstances (Win2k before SP4 - see mskb
814510, http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q814510) sfc
can erroneously overwrite (restore over) previously installed files from
certain "hotfixes" which will then need to be re-installed. To check for
this, after running sfc, open a Cmd window and enter "qfecheck /v /l:c:\"
(without the quotes). If you don't have qfecheck installed, it can be
obtained for XP here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/release.asp?ReleaseID=35468 and for
Win2k, obtain qfecheck here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/release.asp?ReleaseID=35470



2. Another alternative that works on Win2k and may or may not work on XP
(but probably does - I've heard both stories), for just IE6 repair if you
don't have IE6 listed in Add-Remove Programs, then in Start|Run then enter

"rundll32 setupwbv.dll,IE6Maintenance"

without the quotes, exactly as shown, and select the appropriate entry.



3. If you find that you need to do a re-install of IE6 then you can
consider the following, I can't verify this for XP (I'm Win2k - it works
there, and I've had good reports from XP users), but you might want to give
it a try at your own risk. Again, enter this at Start|Run without the
quotes and be careful about the spacing:

"rundll32.exe setupapi,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 132
C:\windows\inf\ie.inf"



4. Lastly, here is a link to a MSKB article about re-installing IE6/OE6:

How to Reinstall or Repair Internet Explorer and Outlook Express in Windows
XP (Q318378)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;Q318378

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Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



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Burt

Jim,
Things went from bad to worse... I put in the items you suggested
last night and this morning I tried to open up ZONE games ie:
Collapse and Bejeweled and they won't open the actual game segment.
It worked OK before I put in the two last things you suggested...
There are quite a few other things seemingly not right for a new
computer and am wondering if I should just wipe C: and reload the
whole XP PRO? I really don't feel I should have to do this on a
3 day old computer.... I am somewhat irritated as you can tell.
If I was to reload the entire XP PRO, could I rip the MS J
stuff out of my 98 machine and if I did, how would I know where
to find the files on the 98 machine... I suppose this wouldn't work.
I thot I was pretty good with computers, but alas, this one is over
my head... FYI, I take care of about 300 puters in this area and
never have I run into this much hassle....
Burt
 
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Burt

Jim,
You mentioned the version numbers for IE and OE.
Here they are on this machine.

IE: 6.0.2800.1106 xpsp2.030618-0119
OE: 6.00.2800.1123

Hope this helps.
Burt
 

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