Is there an outlook command to move an email to the junk folder?

[Guest]

Is there an outlook command to move an email to the junk folder?

For obscure personal reasons I don't want to delete junk mail in the inbox
or otherwise block it. I only want to recognize it and without dragging it or
lots of exta keystroks move it to the junk folder.

Althernatively, is there a way to have a button that moves the selected
messages to a given arbitary folder?

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Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.

 

[Gordon]

Is there an outlook command to move an email to the junk folder?

For obscure personal reasons I don't want to delete junk mail in the
inbox or otherwise block it. I only want to recognize it and without
dragging it or lots of exta keystroks move it to the junk folder.

Althernatively, is there a way to have a button that moves the
selected messages to a given arbitary folder?

Right-click on the message, select "Junk Mail".......

 

[Brian Tillman]

Is there an outlook command to move an email to the junk folder?

Other than drag-and-drop, no.

For obscure personal reasons I don't want to delete junk mail in the
inbox or otherwise block it. I only want to recognize it and without
dragging it or lots of exta keystroks move it to the junk folder.

You can colorize your incoming mail with Tools>Organize but there's no
button you can push to declare a message as junk such that it will be moved
to the Junk E-mail folder.

Althernatively, is there a way to have a button that moves the
selected messages to a given arbitary folder?

You could have a manually-initiated rule, but I don't know of any way to tie
that to a button.

 

[Gordon]

Other than drag-and-drop, no.


You can colorize your incoming mail with Tools>Organize but there's no
button you can push to declare a message as junk such that it will be
moved to the Junk E-mail folder.

Right-click on message, choose "Junk Mail"?

 

[Guest]

Gordon wrote: "What on EARTH is "too sophisticated" about right-click-junk
mail? "

The right click is an extremely powerful tool to let you teach outlook what
you want to consider as spam. It is quite talented ("sophisticated") at that.
However, it misses the obvious command - "Move to Junk Email" even though
there is the reverse command available. (The presence of this reverse
command highlights the omission of its partner.)

There are good reasons not to want to use the capabilities of the Junk
command. Simple minded folk like might just might want to have the setting at
low and make up their own mind. And that further implies that the decision
might be just move me to the folder so that I can have this out of my inbox
but look at it later.

--
Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.

 

[Gordon]

Gordon wrote: "What on EARTH is "too sophisticated" about
right-click-junk mail? "

The right click is an extremely powerful tool to let you teach
outlook what you want to consider as spam. It is quite talented
("sophisticated") at that. However, it misses the obvious command -
"Move to Junk Email"

Why should there be another "junk" option? Isn't "Block Sender" sufficient?

 

[Guest]

Gordon wrote: "Why should there be another "junk" option? Isn't "Block
Sender" sufficient? "

You asked the right question to get at the heart of the matter. "Block
Sender" is too much for my current purposes, as are all the other glorious
options that are available without my new button.

I want the junk mail!!! I just don;t necessarily want it in my Inbox and I
do want a trivial way to move it to the junk folder in one click or key
stroke and without side effects.

I know I'm weird. But I'm in the middle of a study and need to keep the junk
around until I"m through.

--
Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.

 

[Brian Tillman]

Right-click on message, choose "Junk Mail"?

That doesn't do anything with the message, per se. It allows manipulation
of the Safe and Blocked Senders lists or the Junk Mail filter settings.
That's all. It doesn't "mark" a message as Junk.

 

[Brian Tillman]

This code moves things to your junk folder. All the usual denials of
liability apply. Don't use it if you don't want to assume all risks
of using it.

But that doesn't mean that the Junk E-mail filter is altered in any way and
if you were to get the same message a second time, it would not
automatically be moved to the Junk E-mail folder. It's operationally no
different than selecting any other folder for the destination. The presence
of a message in the Junk E-mail folder does not carry any particular
significance.

 

[Brian Tillman]

Gordon wrote: "What on EARTH is "too sophisticated" about
right-click-junk mail? "

The right click is an extremely powerful tool to let you teach
outlook what you want to consider as spam. It is quite talented
("sophisticated") at that.

Right-click>Junk E-Mail doesn't "teach" Outlook anything at all about the
message. It can add a message's sender to the Blocked Senders or Safe
Senders list, but the Junk E-mail filter itself in unalterable by the user.

 

[Brian Tillman]

Why should there be another "junk" option? Isn't "Block Sender"
sufficient?

Hardly.

 

[Gordon]

That doesn't do anything with the message, per se.

Does here. It moves it to the Junk folder.

 

[Gordon]

Hardly.

What's the difference between marking a message as Junk and blocking the
sender?

 

[Guest]

Why really get to the heart of the matter. If you Add the sender to the
blocked senders list, then AS A SIDE EFFECT, it also moves the message to the
Junk Email folder. That's a good thing in most cases, and what the vast
majority of users would want.

However, I wanted a move without side effects. I don't want to block the
senders. Now i have it. But I had to write the code to do it.

Again I argue for the value of a Move to Junk folder command, one with out
side effects, on the submenu we've been discussing.

Organize does much of what I want for move to arbitrary folder. But it would
be nice to have a way to customize that is it could be done with a button on
one click.
--
Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.

 

[Gordon]

Why really get to the heart of the matter. If you Add the sender to
the blocked senders list, then AS A SIDE EFFECT, it also moves the
message to the Junk Email folder. That's a good thing in most cases,
and what the vast majority of users would want.

However, I wanted a move without side effects. I don't want to block
the senders. Now i have it. But I had to write the code to do it.

Umm surely if the mail is JUNK then you don't want to see it! I know I
don't. Thus "block sender" does the job. Why move something that is a
nuisance to a junk folder and then NOT block the sender? I don't understand
your logic at all. If a sender is sending me what I consider to be junk
mail, then I don't want to see it! Period! Ever!

 

[Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]]

Exactly. Why should there be a separate Move to Junk command when the Delete key works just as well. Moving an item to the junk folder serves no purpose. Since you have already evaluated it as junk, just delete it.

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003

and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for
Administrators, Power Users, and Developers

 

[Brian Tillman]

What's the difference between marking a message as Junk and blocking
the sender?

Whether or not a message is junk depends on more than the sender. The
content of the message plays a big role in whether or not the message is
actually junk. You can, after all, get junk mail from addresses you
recognize. Marking a message as junk with any decent Junk E-mail filter
should alter the filter itself by teaching it that the content of a message
is junk regardless of the sender. Outlook doesn't have that ability.

 

[Guest]

Let me tell you a tale. Last fall i was contacted by a lawyer to serve as an
expert witness in a court case involving email. Never did get to qualify
because the prosecution offered a good deal to the defendant. (The state
didn't have anything worth bringing to court but I suspect the prosecutor
didn't find that out until after he was faced with the prospect of me on the
stand and consulted HIS experts.)

Let me tell you another tale. I own a domain name (which happens to be for
sale -it's a three letter English word) which attracts a lot of junk mail
because people think it's cute to use the name when forced to enter an email
address in a form. Hence I get lots more junk mail than the average person.

Let me tell you yet a third tale. If you visit http://3bears.biz, you'll see
that I like to write software that avoids drag and drop. I call it easy on
the wrist software. D&D is an interesting game, a nice way to do just one
thing on the computer, but a real drag when you have to do a lot of work.

Now my assertion in the court case would have been that the vast majority of
email is forged (in the sense of not coming from the person / pc it purports
to.) We know that the vast majority is spam. MS's Frontbridge subsidiary
dumped about 90% of its cstomer's incoming email during a recent 30 day
period. My assertion is that most of that 90% is forged.

But to prove this for my self I'm going to have to look at a significant
sample. Do some statistics, etc. Hence, I want my junk mail. And since I have
about 36000 pieces from the few months i've been collecting, i want to handle
it easily.

Hence my need for the one button no side effect click.

That is just one story about the need for the button.

If you consider the anti-spam forces you can add another group that just
might want such a button.

The need for the command is legit if perhaps a bit obscure.

--
Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.

 

[Gordon]

Let me tell you a tale. Last fall i was contacted by a lawyer to
serve as an expert witness in a court case involving email. Never did
get to qualify because the prosecution offered a good deal to the
defendant. (The state didn't have anything worth bringing to court
but I suspect the prosecutor didn't find that out until after he was
faced with the prospect of me on the stand and consulted HIS experts.)

Let me tell you another tale. I own a domain name (which happens to
be for sale -it's a three letter English word) which attracts a lot
of junk mail because people think it's cute to use the name when
forced to enter an email address in a form. Hence I get lots more
junk mail than the average person.

Let me tell you yet a third tale. If you visit http://3bears.biz,
you'll see that I like to write software that avoids drag and drop. I
call it easy on the wrist software. D&D is an interesting game, a
nice way to do just one thing on the computer, but a real drag when
you have to do a lot of work.

Now my assertion in the court case would have been that the vast
majority of email is forged (in the sense of not coming from the
person / pc it purports to.) We know that the vast majority is spam.
MS's Frontbridge subsidiary dumped about 90% of its cstomer's
incoming email during a recent 30 day period. My assertion is that
most of that 90% is forged.

But to prove this for my self I'm going to have to look at a
significant sample. Do some statistics, etc. Hence, I want my junk
mail. And since I have about 36000 pieces from the few months i've
been collecting, i want to handle it easily.

Hence my need for the one button no side effect click.

That is just one story about the need for the button.

If you consider the anti-spam forces you can add another group that
just might want such a button.

The need for the command is legit if perhaps a bit obscure.

Well you must be an almost UNIQUE case then.

 

[Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]]

It's definitely legit in your case, because you have a professional interest in the actual junk content that you're receiving. I doubt, though, that Microsoft would find that reason enough to building in that functionality at a cost (since product development resources are always finite) of not building in some functionality that would directly benefit the other 99% of users.

As you already know, a little Outlook VBA code usually can take care of these sorts of special cases quite well.

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003

and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for
Administrators, Power Users, and Developers