Is there a g8x card that does not suck? should i have bought a 2600 XT?

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sndive

I bought GigaByte GeForce 8600GT Video Card GVNX86T256H recently
due to its silentpipe tech.
Well, there is no definitely no fan noise since there is no fan.
But gigabyte seems to have used the cheapest condensers they could
get ahold of and they whine(hum) when the card is doing any 3D
(Civ IV, Sid Meyer's railroads, you name it).

is there a 2600XT or 8600GTS that uses condensers that don't suck
like the ones on the girabyte card?
 
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kony

I bought GigaByte GeForce 8600GT Video Card GVNX86T256H recently
due to its silentpipe tech.
Well, there is no definitely no fan noise since there is no fan.
But gigabyte seems to have used the cheapest condensers they could
get ahold of and they whine(hum) when the card is doing any 3D
(Civ IV, Sid Meyer's railroads, you name it).

is there a 2600XT or 8600GTS that uses condensers that don't suck
like the ones on the girabyte card?

IIRC, condensers translates into capacitors in modern
engrish.

Capacitors don't whine(hum), unless severely failed which
couldn't be the case with the card still working. Instead
it would be the inductors whininig if anything, OR the power
supply making a noise at this changed power output level.

Either way, it is not a matter of condensers that "don't
suck". If your card truely has inductors that whine,
instead of the PSU making the noise (which is more common),
your options are RMA/replacement or coating the inductor
coils with something ( remove them and dunk in laquer or
leave them on and put a liberal coating of epoxy on them to
still the coil resonant vibrations).

Otherwise, replacing the card to reduce this kind of noise
is a crapshoot/lottery, any slightly different card will
have a different inductor resonant frequency depending on
the load, power, PSU output and ripple. It's not like there
is one solid variable to recommend a specific card which is
why I mentioned the factors involved. You could randomly
choose a different card and resolve this "problem", but many
are reference design cards in same GPU family so if that
doesn't help it would be time to consider either replacing
the PSU or coating inductors with epoxy/etc as mentioned.

Key is to first be certain of where the noise comes from.
Perhaps you have already, but adding a video card and then
noticing inductor whining noise does not automatically
implicate the video card as the source of that noise.
 
S

sndive

IIRC, condensers translates into capacitors in modern
engrish.

Capacitors don't whine(hum), unless severely failed which
couldn't be the case with the card still working. Instead
it would be the inductors whininig if anything, OR the power
supply making a noise at this changed power output level.

Either way, it is not a matter of condensers that "don't
suck". If your card truely has inductors that whine,
instead of the PSU making the noise (which is more common),
your options are RMA/replacement or coating the inductor
coils with something ( remove them and dunk in laquer or
leave them on and put a liberal coating of epoxy on them to
still the coil resonant vibrations).

there are some black shiny boxes next to the capacitors.
are those the inductors? if so they are already epoxied and
i see little benefit from another coating.
i see no parts with the coils exposed on the parts
of the parts of the card that are not covered with the heatsink.
Otherwise, replacing the card to reduce this kind of noise
is a crapshoot/lottery, any slightly different card will
have a different inductor resonant frequency depending on
the load, power, PSU output and ripple. It's not like there
is one solid variable to recommend a specific card which is
why I mentioned the factors involved. You could randomly
choose a different card and resolve this "problem", but many
are reference design cards in same GPU family so if that

??? i have no access to the engineering samples.
as i said i'm using a production card. what do the components
apart from the silicon on the reference cards have to do with the
production card from gigabyte i'm using???
doesn't help it would be time to consider either replacing
the PSU or coating inductors with epoxy/etc as mentioned.
I'm not a complete idiot. I have the system on the table
as opposed to the case and i can pinpoint the source of the
noise. The PSU is the low noise Zalman and there is not a peep
coming from it except for the low constant drone fan
that obviously is not dependent on the current gpu setting.
As i have already said the noise is coming
from the graphics card when it switches to 3D mode.
Key is to first be certain of where the noise comes from.
Perhaps you have already, but adding a video card and then
noticing inductor whining noise does not automatically
implicate the video card as the source of that noise.

it is. i checked before i posted in case this was not
clear from my original post.
 
K

kony

there are some black shiny boxes next to the capacitors.
are those the inductors?

Yes some inductors look like black shiney boxes. I can't be
certain they're inductors based on this description, except
that there is nothing else looking like a black shiney box
that should (could?) be making a whining sound. Beyond a
fan, inductors are the only remaing part on a video card
likely to make a whining sound.


if so they are already epoxied and
i see little benefit from another coating.
i see no parts with the coils exposed on the parts
of the parts of the card that are not covered with the heatsink.

If it is a surface-mounted part, perhaps they can be removed
then accessed from the bottom. Regardless, if this noise is
objectionable enough you are probably better off to RMA the
card.
??? i have no access to the engineering samples.


I didn't say you did. "Reference design" is what most cards
use, did you ever notice that beyond the shape of a heatsink
many cards of the same model/family look practically
identical? There is latitude for different supplier's parts
on this reference design so another otherwise similar card
may not have the problem, or even another card from same
manufacturer might not.

as i said i'm using a production card. what do the components
apart from the silicon on the reference cards have to do with the
production card from gigabyte i'm using???

Compare a picture of your card to same model and family of
nVidia card sold under another brand name. Ignore color and
heatsinks, look at the location and type/size/color/etc of
capacitors and inductors. Do this comparing several 2600XT
and seek a review of 2600XT, try using "reference" as one of
the search terms and it might help.

This might all be beside the point though, that if you need
to RMA your card to the manufacturer instead of the seller,
you have no choice but whatever they offer in return, their
now equivalent product. If you can get a refund or
substitute from the seller, that would be when choosing a
different variation of the card might be prudent.


I'm not a complete idiot. I have the system on the table
as opposed to the case and i can pinpoint the source of the
noise. The PSU is the low noise Zalman and there is not a peep
coming from it except for the low constant drone fan
that obviously is not dependent on the current gpu setting.

I never wrote that you were an idiot, but since you had
described the noise as coming from the capacitors which is
extremely unlikely, it seemed appropriate to wonder how
closely you had examined it... because if you had only
installed the video card and then heard the whining from
outside the system, it could have been caused by the PSU
instead.

It is good that it is clear where the noise is coming from.

As i have already said the noise is coming
from the graphics card when it switches to 3D mode.


it is. i checked before i posted in case this was not
clear from my original post.

If you cannot get any epoxy/etc into the inductor windings
to quiet them, you could either source equivalent inductors
from an electronics supplier and replace them, or RMA the
card to the seller or manufacturer. RMA seems to be the
best option.
 
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