Is It Time To Dump Windows XP?

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BillW50

I started seeing software not supporting XP for years like games.

I haven't seen anything yet. In fact, I have the opposite problem. 100%
of my stuff runs under XP. I can't say the same for Windows 7/8 though.
 
T

Todd

I haven't seen anything yet. In fact, I have the opposite problem. 100%
of my stuff runs under XP. I can't say the same for Windows 7/8 though.

I have to second that. I haven't seen anything that doesn't
work under XP. But then again, I don't do gaming.
 
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Andy

We never were. And too bad I can't use LibreOffice, I find it too weak.

<sigh>



--

Bill

Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14

Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1

What do you mean by too weak ?

Andy
 
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Andy

I actually don't find Windows 7 as good as XP myself. If it were just as

good, why did Microsoft even bother with creating Windows 7 XP Mode?

They did that because so many users were piss*ff at the new format.

Microsoft feels that the customer is low on the I.Q., so THEY decide what features for their new O.S. will stay and go.

That may explain why some new versions were going for $5.00. :)

Great for Linux distros. :)

Take care,
Andy
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

(They would say to support users who want to run old software.)
They did that because so many users were piss*ff at the new format.

Microsoft feels that the customer is low on the I.Q., so THEY decide
what features for their new O.S. will stay and go.

That may explain why some new versions were going for $5.00. :)
Some new versions of what?
Great for Linux distros. :)

(I don't follow: why should Windows things being only $5 be good for
Linux distros?)
Take care,
Andy
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The sun, with all those planets revolving around it and dependent upon it, can
still ripen a bunch of grapes as it if had nothing else in the universe to do.
-Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642)
 
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BillW50

Andy said:
What do you mean by too weak ?

Andy

Take a simple task like some plain text contains ASC(13) after each
line. I often strip them off and use only one per paragraph. I can use
virtually any word processor (even one that I never used before) and
figure out how to do this in a matter of seconds.

Although when I use LibreOffice, trying to do something really simple
like this is very frustrating. Can it do it or not? And if it can, then
why isn't it obvious just like every other word processor on the planet?
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <[email protected]>, BillW50 <[email protected]>
writes:
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Take a simple task like some plain text contains ASC(13) after each
line. I often strip them off and use only one per paragraph. I can use
virtually any word processor (even one that I never used before) and
figure out how to do this in a matter of seconds.

How would you do it in Word? I'm assuming you mean you have a way of
deleting all the newlines at once, not manually - except presumably
double ones.
 
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BillW50

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
In message <[email protected]>, BillW50 <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Take a simple task like some plain text contains ASC(13) after each
line. I often strip them off and use only one per paragraph. I can use
virtually any word processor (even one that I never used before) and
figure out how to do this in a matter of seconds.

How would you do it in Word? I'm assuming you mean you have a way of
deleting all the newlines at once, not manually - except presumably
double ones.

Under Word, I created this macro. And I run the macro by smacking ALT-1.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sub RebuildLines()
'
' Removes hard returns from line ends unless
' paragraphs seperated by double returns.

' Check that some text is selected. This prevents
' macro from running from insertion point to end
' of document - which may screw up single spaced
' signatures, etc.

If Selection.Range = "" Then ' Nothing selected
MsgBox "No Text Selected", vbCritical
Exit Sub ' So QUIT
End If

' Must be at least some text selected so continue
' Note: if it doesn't include at least one paragraph
' mark nothing will happen!

Selection.Find.ClearFormatting
Selection.Find.Replacement.ClearFormatting
With Selection.Find
.Text = "^p"
.Replacement.Text = "~"
.Wrap = wdFindStop
.MatchWholeWord = True
End With
Selection.Find.Execute Replace:=wdReplaceAll
Selection.Find.ClearFormatting
Selection.Find.Replacement.ClearFormatting
With Selection.Find
.Text = "~~"
.Replacement.Text = "^p^p"
.Wrap = wdFindStop
.MatchWholeWord = True
End With
Selection.Find.Execute Replace:=wdReplaceAll
With Selection.Find
.Text = "~"
.Replacement.Text = " "
.Wrap = wdFindStop
.MatchWholeWord = True
End With
Selection.Find.Execute Replace:=wdReplaceAll
With Selection.Find
.Text = " "
.Replacement.Text = " "
.Wrap = wdFindStop
.MatchWholeWord = True
End With
Selection.Find.Execute Replace:=wdReplaceAll
Selection.Find.ClearFormatting
Selection.Find.Replacement.ClearFormatting
With Selection.Find
.Text = " ^p"
.Replacement.Text = "^p"
.Wrap = wdFindStop
.MatchWholeWord = True
End With
Selection.Find.Execute Replace:=wdReplaceAll

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Without macro ability, one could use find and replace. And most find and
replace, searching for ^p generally works even in Word (but not in
LibreOffice). And you must hit replace on every line until the end of
the paragraph. If you want to do another paragraph, you hit find until
it is time to start replacing once again.
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

BillW50 <[email protected]> said:
J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
In message <[email protected]>, BillW50 <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Take a simple task like some plain text contains ASC(13) after each

a _simple_ task
Under Word, I created this macro. And I run the macro by smacking ALT-1.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sub RebuildLines()
[45 lines (_excluding_ comments!) of Macro ...]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Without macro ability, one could use find and replace. And most find and
replace, searching for ^p generally works even in Word (but not in
LibreOffice). And you must hit replace on every line until the end of
the paragraph. If you want to do another paragraph, you hit find until
it is time to start replacing once again.
Or you do a search-and-replace _first_ for ^p^p to something else (such
as zzz), then do the one for single ^ps to nothing (or space), then the
zzzs back to ^p (assuming ^p works in the second box) ... (-:

I admire your macro-writing ability.

(I've forgotten what point either of us was trying to prove!)
 
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Andy

Take a simple task like some plain text contains ASC(13) after each

line. I often strip them off and use only one per paragraph. I can use

virtually any word processor (even one that I never used before) and

figure out how to do this in a matter of seconds.



Although when I use LibreOffice, trying to do something really simple

like this is very frustrating. Can it do it or not? And if it can, then

why isn't it obvious just like every other word processor on the planet?
Bill

Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14

Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

Bill,

Hope your week has been good.

For text files I use Geany as my text editor.

I dual boot with Windows and Linux Puppy.

Like yourself, I have 2 cores and 8 Gb of RAM.

I got tired of Windows only using 3 Gb of RAM.

Linux started with a command line interface similar to the "Dos".

They have been working very hard at making a G.U.I. interface similar to Windows.

They have done an admirable job.

They are not perfect, but neither is Windows.

I have evaluated many versions of Linux. (Mint, Ubuntu, Slackware, OpenSuse, and a few more)

I HIGHLY recommend Slacko Puppy version 5.6 which is found here.

http://www.puppylinux.com/download/index.html

Since using Puppy, I have found that compared to Windows XP :

1. Download speeds are much faster.

2. Have never gotten a virus, Trojan, or malware.

Have a great week,

Andy
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <[email protected]>, Andy
Since using Puppy, I have found that compared to Windows XP :

1. Download speeds are much faster.

Strange; I'd have thought that was line-limited - unless you have a
_very_ fast connection.
2. Have never gotten a virus, Trojan, or malware.

Neither have I (on Windows).
Have a great week,

Andy
You too.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Knowledge isnt elitist - that's rubbish! Why are we embarrassed by the idea
that people know things? It's not a conspiracy against the ignorant. Knowing
things is good!" - Jeremy Paxman, RT 14-20 August 2010
 
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BillW50

Andy said:
Bill,

Hope your week has been good.

Hi Andy, besides horrible weather, not too bad! And how was yours?
For text files I use Geany as my text editor.

I use many things, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, NewtPad, Atlantis,
Kingsoft, Word, Works, etc.
I dual boot with Windows and Linux Puppy.

I have one machine that has a dualboot with Ubuntu and Puppy Linux. I
have another one just with Ubuntu. There is another distro that was a
spin-off of Puppy, although I don't recall what it was called now that I
had used too?
Like yourself, I have 2 cores and 8 Gb of RAM.
I got tired of Windows only using 3 Gb of RAM.

Well 64 bit Windows doesn't have that problem. Although I haven't
actually found anything I run that needs anything more than 3GB yet.
Linux started with a command line interface similar to the "Dos".

Yes I remember, started back in about '91 by Linus Torvalds who was a
Commodore VIC-20 programmer when he was younger.
They have been working very hard at making a G.U.I. interface similar
to Windows.

They have done an admirable job.

They are not perfect, but neither is Windows.

I have evaluated many versions of Linux. (Mint, Ubuntu, Slackware,
OpenSuse, and a few more)

I HIGHLY recommend Slacko Puppy version 5.6 which is found here.

http://www.puppylinux.com/download/index.html

Since using Puppy, I have found that compared to Windows XP :

1. Download speeds are much faster.

2. Have never gotten a virus, Trojan, or malware.

The only trojan or virus I ever got was a trojan on a Commodore machine
back in the late 80's. Although I do work on clients machines that has
become infected from time to time.

I suppose some people find Linux very useful. For me though, it only
provides only basic needs for me. So I only use my Linux machines for
just simple tasks.
Have a great week,

You too.
 
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Andy

Strange; I'd have thought that was line-limited - unless you have a

_very_ fast connection.
Neither have I (on Windows).
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

things is good!" - Jeremy Paxman, RT 14-20 August 2010

I think the speed increase is because they use a console for downloading files instead of a GUI which tends to decrease overhead.

As far as malware, I have gotten 4 or 5 over 15 years which I feel is pretty small.

I love to learn, so I sometimes venture into "Dark Side Websites" in order to learn things to help myself and others and report destructive sites. :)

take care,
Andy
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

Andy said:
I think the speed increase is because they use a console for
downloading files instead of a GUI which tends to decrease overhead.

I would have thought, on any reasonably-modern (5 years, even more,
unless having really minimal memory) computer, running a GUI shouldn't
make perceptible difference to download speed, surely?
As far as malware, I have gotten 4 or 5 over 15 years which I feel is
pretty small.

I love to learn, so I sometimes venture into "Dark Side Websites" in
order to learn things to help myself and others and report destructive
sites. :)
[]
Well, I'm not that public-spirited/daring, but I do occasionally access
pr0n sites, some of which do try things - but (so far anyway) I've found
them to be fairly obvious. (I obviously don't bite when told "you need
this to view this".)
 
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BillW50

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
In message <[email protected]>,


I would have thought, on any reasonably-modern (5 years, even more,
unless having really minimal memory) computer, running a GUI shouldn't
make perceptible difference to download speed, surely?

Well Puppy is indeed a bit different than many other Linux distros that
it does have a very small memory footprint. It also is different in that
it runs totally from RAM (which gives it great speed). It also doesn't
write anything to disk unless you tell it to later. Otherwise it acts
like a read only system. It also is different in that it doesn't mount
other devices on boot. Which makes it very safe using it as a live
version. Although I haven't verified increased download speed, it would
make a lot of sense considering how it is built for speed.
 
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Paul

BillW50 said:
Well Puppy is indeed a bit different than many other Linux distros that
it does have a very small memory footprint. It also is different in that
it runs totally from RAM (which gives it great speed). It also doesn't
write anything to disk unless you tell it to later. Otherwise it acts
like a read only system. It also is different in that it doesn't mount
other devices on boot. Which makes it very safe using it as a live
version. Although I haven't verified increased download speed, it would
make a lot of sense considering how it is built for speed.

If you FTP, the data is not interpreted as it is received.
The NIC DMA transfers a packet into memory, and the hard
drive interface can use DMA transfer to take that data and
store it in a cluster on the disk. The basic operation of
downloading, should not make a big dent in the processor.

It really doesn't matter how the OS is housed in that
case, as it's a relatively hands off (interrupt handlers)
kind of thing. On Linux, the highest overhead might be
the NTFS file system calls (EXT2/3/4 will be lower).

Operating systems can have differences in the network stack.
For well behaved web servers, the differences should not
really matter all that much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_congestion-avoidance_algorithm

*******

If you want to test a poorly behaved download, try this :)
I got 1KB/sec in Firefox, and 2.4KB/sec in a freshly installed
(just for this test) copy of Netscape 4.76, all on the same OS.
I would not normally consider Netscape from eons ago, but decided
to try it for a test.

ftp://fusionhdtv.kr/down/FusionHDTV3.91.96.zip

When I eventually got the download, it was missing some data
at the end, and needed PKZIP fixup. I could see enough of the
information in the file, to satisfy my curiosity. But I would
not install the thing in that state, because the file was
damaged to an unknown extent. That's an example of a
crappy download site. Current ping time is 227 ms.

Paul
 
C

casey.o

Old, but good. I will keeping my XP Pro. SP3 until the machine dies, and
softwares and hardwares don't support it anymore. :)

You sound like me, except I'm still running Windows 98se on my main
computer, and refuse to give up......

However I do run XP Pro on my laptop, and just acquired another desktop
computer with XP Home. I've decided to start using this one more,
because Win98 has reached it's limit as far as browsers. There is no
longer a browser that will run on W98 which works properly. Seems all I
get are script errors, and when I disable java script most sites dont
work right.

I've decided the solution is to start to use XP for the internet, and
continue to use W98 for all my other computer needs.

I just wish I could get XP to look more like W98. I did go to classic
mode, but it still does stuff that annoys me.

The other thing is that W98 runs much faster, and on a slower computer.
It also displays (downloaded) videos better.
 
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BillW50

You sound like me, except I'm still running Windows 98se on my main
computer, and refuse to give up......

Oh man! I like you already! ;-)
However I do run XP Pro on my laptop, and just acquired another desktop
computer with XP Home. I've decided to start using this one more,
because Win98 has reached it's limit as far as browsers. There is no
longer a browser that will run on W98 which works properly. Seems all I
get are script errors, and when I disable java script most sites dont
work right.

Oh yes indeed! Does Firefox v3 or v4 run on 98?
I've decided the solution is to start to use XP for the internet, and
continue to use W98 for all my other computer needs.

I just wish I could get XP to look more like W98. I did go to classic
mode, but it still does stuff that annoys me.

Oh yes, I went through that too. Windows 2000 looked like W98 a lot. But
it has some of the advantages of XP. Although it has the same
limitations as far as 98 does, well almost. At least on the Internet it
is still doing well. Just don't use IE6, as lots of errors with it
nowadays. And I don't know like about 40% of the Internet stuff will
still run.
The other thing is that W98 runs much faster, and on a slower computer.
It also displays (downloaded) videos better.

Oh gawd yes! Although Windows 2000 with at least 500MHz CPU and 512MB of
RAM, it flies. XP does pretty well double that. My two Toshiba 2595XDVD
running 98SE was the first machines I had that could play DVDs really
well, even with 64MB of RAM. ;-)
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Windows 8, from what I've seen in stores, look like a game
machine. Or a reinvented AOL.


Let me point out something that you perhaps don't realize: Windows 8
has two interfaces; the Modern/Metro Interface (which may be all
you've looked at) and the traditional Desktop Interface. You can use
either one or both.

That traditional Desktop Interface is almost identical to Windows 7's
interface; the biggest difference is that there is no Start Orb to
click to bring up the Start menu. But note that you can get the Start
Orb back by using one of several third-party programs, either free or
very inexpensive (Classic Shell at
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ and Start8 at
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/; my personal preference is
Start8, but they are both very good). And going from one interface to
the other is very easy; there are several ways, but simply pressing
the Windows key is perhaps the easiest.

I use Windows 8, almost exclusively with the traditional desktop
interface, and with Start 8 installed. If you were to look at and use
my computer, you would have a hard time realizing that it's not
Windows 7.
Besides, the rule of thumb is: wait until release three, only buy
the odd number versions.


That may be *your* rule of thumb, but it's one that I strongly
disagree with. You should make your choices of software based on
evaluation, not on numbers.
 
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BillW50

In Bill in Co typed:
I take it there are some programs you use that require Windows 7 or 8
(or even Vista)? (Otherwise I don't see any possible gain, except,
perhaps, for some newer hardware features with the newer machines)

Nope, not yet. Everything I want and need still runs under XP SP2.
Things like Office 2010 Starter and Metro Apps won't run under XP, but I
have no problem dumping those applications in a heartbeat anyway.
 

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