Is data backup necessary?

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Dear Jerry,

Thanks very much for your kindness; it cost you so much time
to reply me, I very appreciated your help you suggested me a
very powerful software named Acronis True Image, I will use it
later. I am sorry to say that could you please answer me the
last 3 questions, 1. What is "malware", I have consulted a
dictionary, but not found it! 2. Is data backup service very
popular in your country or in other developed countries?
Thanks you very much!
3.By the way, could you please tell me your motherland?
First, I am an American born and raised in SE Michigan, USA.
Worked at Chrysler and retired in 2002. One way or another, I've
been involved with computers since my engineering school days
1965-69. Early in my Chrysler career I embarked on CAD/CAE/PC
support and did a 10-year stint as a professional FORTRAN
computer programmer. Later, I became first a supervisor and then
a manager responsible for all CAD/CAE/CAM/PC support for all of
Chrysler Engineering and part of Manufacturing. I ended my career
with the interesting job of Engineering Information Security
Manager and manager of Engineering Standards. In my personal
life, I programmed extensively on the old Apple ][ series of
computers in BASIC and assembler, then later on a PC, I
programmed in DOS BASIC and Turbo Pascal and wrote a screen saver
using Visual Basic 3.0 for Win 3.1. I would not classify myself
as a true expert, especially in today's very complicated IT
(information technology) world and even my info security
knowledge is out-of-date because of the explosion of bad stuff
trying to do damage to your PC or steal your identity.

A bit more for your backup situation. True Image is an
outstanding tool for imaging a full system or doing incrementals.
It is fast and produces compact image files. Plus, you can create
either/both a set of 8 floppies that you can boot TI from in case
your system is totally dead and a bootable CD. USB support is in
these two boot-up methods but I also periodically burn a dual-
layer DVD-R to contain my images in case I cannot get to one of
my externals for any reason. At the time I bought TI, I also
evaluated Ghost. Lots of people use and like it. It seemed to me,
though, that the favorable comments for True Image vs. Ghost ran
about 4:1 when I asked in a couple of support NGs.

I don't use anything fancy to do my data backups, just plain
Windows Explorer to copy the folders on my two extended
partitions where all my data is segregated from Windows and my
apps.

To your questions: malware is the broad term for viruses, trojan
horses, spyware, anything bad that might infect your system and
do damage or allow a bad guy to suck off confidential info.
"mal" comes from "bad" and "ware" comes from "software".

I don't know what you mean by "is data backup service very
popular in your country", but perhaps you mean "do most people
have a backup regimen they follow?". If the latter is what you
mean, I would say NO, most people do NOT back up their systems at
all, or if they do, it is haphazard. The time most people think
about it is right after they've had a HD crash or gotten badly
infected with some virulent malware. Another time people think
about it is when buying a new system and they want to transfer
the data.

Which reminds me: during my periodic backup routines, I export
the favorites and cookies from Internet Explorer 6 to a folder on
my HD and I copy all the .dbx files that contain my Outlook
Express E-mail message files in folders to my HD. Also, I use XP
Pro's Files and Settings Transfer Wizard to copy ALL of the major
settings Windows keeps for the things I have customized and would
like to retain if I need to reinstall Windows. But, I do NOT copy
all of the files it can backup because it is very inefficient at
that sort of thing.

One last thing: I do NOT automatically buy every new version of
my application software nor do I upgrade immediately to any new
version of Windows. I let other people who are the early adopters
do what I call "beta testing with their Visa cards" meaning they
find and report bugs to the developer on software they paid good
money for. So, I waited over a year to upgrade from XP Pro SP1 to
SP2 and I won't go to Vista until my next PC in 2008 and when at
least the first SP (Service Pack) is released for Vista.
Likewise, I do NOT upgrade the hardware drivers for my video
card, printers, and scanner unless necessary. Here's why:

Around 1995, I suddenly realized I was spending more time getting
the bugs out of my software and beating it into submission to get
it to work reliably than I was getting useful work from my PC.
That was OK in my hobbyist days, but I discovered about that time
that I was more interested in the work a PC could do for me than
I was in playing with it. So, I stopped and now take a very
cautious approach. I use two sayings to define my opinion: "if it
ain't broken, don't try to fix it" and "never give Murphy an even
break". This means that if the upgrade doesn't fix a bug I know I
have or offer some significant benefits, I just stay with what I
have. And, when I have my nephew build me a new PC, I always go
with state-of-the-art minus one version, meaning not bleeding
edge for processor, mother board, video card, any of that stuff.
I still have my frustrations but in general, my two PCs (the
other is my wife's) are VERY stable.

BTW, backups are like your local fire department. You definitely
want to have firemen but you hope you never need their services
to put out a fire in your house. In PC terms, you spend time and
money on backups hoping that you never really need to do it but
if disaster strikes, you are as reasonably protected and can
recover as best anyone can.

One more item: NEVER set Automatic Updates in Windows to full
auto! I have mine set to "Remind me when updates are ready but do
not download or install." The reason I do this is because it does
happen that Microsoft's Critical Updates sometimes have serious
bugs or wreck parts of your system. So, again, not wanting to
give Murphy an even break, I monitor these tech support NGs to
see if anything went wrong with particular updates before I
install them. The reason for not allowing full auto is best
expressed by friends who went to bed with a fully working system
but woke up to a system with minor or major damage or a PC that
was completely unusuable because Windows, their video card
driver, or something else had been updated overnight and had a
fatal bug.

Some call me paranoid about this stuff and maybe I am, but I
prefer the term "cautious". How much of what I suggest and
anything others suggest to you, again, depends on how much data
you have, your tolerance for frustration, and your time available
to rebuild your system of disaster does strike.

If you have more questions after reading all of this, ask away,
and good luck!
 
Today, Laoliao made these interesting comments ...> Dear Jerry,
Thanks very much for your kindness; it cost you so much time
to reply me, I very appreciated your help you suggested me a
very powerful software named Acronis True Image, I will use it
later. I am sorry to say that could you please answer me the
last 3 questions, 1. What is "malware", I have consulted a
dictionary, but not found it! 2. Is data backup service very
popular in your country or in other developed countries?
Thanks you very much!
3.By the way, could you please tell me your motherland?

First, I am an American born and raised in SE Michigan, USA.
Worked at Chrysler and retired in 2002. One way or another, I've
been involved with computers since my engineering school days
1965-69. Early in my Chrysler career I embarked on CAD/CAE/PC
support and did a 10-year stint as a professional FORTRAN
computer programmer. Later, I became first a supervisor and then
a manager responsible for all CAD/CAE/CAM/PC support for all of
Chrysler Engineering and part of Manufacturing. I ended my career
with the interesting job of Engineering Information Security
Manager and manager of Engineering Standards. In my personal
life, I programmed extensively on the old Apple ][ series of
computers in BASIC and assembler, then later on a PC, I
programmed in DOS BASIC and Turbo Pascal and wrote a screen saver
using Visual Basic 3.0 for Win 3.1. I would not classify myself
as a true expert, especially in today's very complicated IT
(information technology) world and even my info security
knowledge is out-of-date because of the explosion of bad stuff
trying to do damage to your PC or steal your identity.

A bit more for your backup situation. True Image is an
outstanding tool for imaging a full system or doing incrementals.
It is fast and produces compact image files. Plus, you can create
either/both a set of 8 floppies that you can boot TI from in case
your system is totally dead and a bootable CD. USB support is in
these two boot-up methods but I also periodically burn a dual-
layer DVD-R to contain my images in case I cannot get to one of
my externals for any reason. At the time I bought TI, I also
evaluated Ghost. Lots of people use and like it. It seemed to me,
though, that the favorable comments for True Image vs. Ghost ran
about 4:1 when I asked in a couple of support NGs.

I don't use anything fancy to do my data backups, just plain
Windows Explorer to copy the folders on my two extended
partitions where all my data is segregated from Windows and my
apps.

To your questions: malware is the broad term for viruses, trojan
horses, spyware, anything bad that might infect your system and
do damage or allow a bad guy to suck off confidential info.
"mal" comes from "bad" and "ware" comes from "software".

I don't know what you mean by "is data backup service very
popular in your country", but perhaps you mean "do most people
have a backup regimen they follow?". If the latter is what you
mean, I would say NO, most people do NOT back up their systems at
all, or if they do, it is haphazard. The time most people think
about it is right after they've had a HD crash or gotten badly
infected with some virulent malware. Another time people think
about it is when buying a new system and they want to transfer
the data.

Which reminds me: during my periodic backup routines, I export
the favorites and cookies from Internet Explorer 6 to a folder on
my HD and I copy all the .dbx files that contain my Outlook
Express E-mail message files in folders to my HD. Also, I use XP
Pro's Files and Settings Transfer Wizard to copy ALL of the major
settings Windows keeps for the things I have customized and would
like to retain if I need to reinstall Windows. But, I do NOT copy
all of the files it can backup because it is very inefficient at
that sort of thing.

One last thing: I do NOT automatically buy every new version of
my application software nor do I upgrade immediately to any new
version of Windows. I let other people who are the early adopters
do what I call "beta testing with their Visa cards" meaning they
find and report bugs to the developer on software they paid good
money for. So, I waited over a year to upgrade from XP Pro SP1 to
SP2 and I won't go to Vista until my next PC in 2008 and when at
least the first SP (Service Pack) is released for Vista.
Likewise, I do NOT upgrade the hardware drivers for my video
card, printers, and scanner unless necessary. Here's why:

Around 1995, I suddenly realized I was spending more time getting
the bugs out of my software and beating it into submission to get
it to work reliably than I was getting useful work from my PC.
That was OK in my hobbyist days, but I discovered about that time
that I was more interested in the work a PC could do for me than
I was in playing with it. So, I stopped and now take a very
cautious approach. I use two sayings to define my opinion: "if it
ain't broken, don't try to fix it" and "never give Murphy an even
break". This means that if the upgrade doesn't fix a bug I know I
have or offer some significant benefits, I just stay with what I
have. And, when I have my nephew build me a new PC, I always go
with state-of-the-art minus one version, meaning not bleeding
edge for processor, mother board, video card, any of that stuff.
I still have my frustrations but in general, my two PCs (the
other is my wife's) are VERY stable.

BTW, backups are like your local fire department. You definitely
want to have firemen but you hope you never need their services
to put out a fire in your house. In PC terms, you spend time and
money on backups hoping that you never really need to do it but
if disaster strikes, you are as reasonably protected and can
recover as best anyone can.

One more item: NEVER set Automatic Updates in Windows to full
auto! I have mine set to "Remind me when updates are ready but do
not download or install." The reason I do this is because it does
happen that Microsoft's Critical Updates sometimes have serious
bugs or wreck parts of your system. So, again, not wanting to
give Murphy an even break, I monitor these tech support NGs to
see if anything went wrong with particular updates before I
install them. The reason for not allowing full auto is best
expressed by friends who went to bed with a fully working system
but woke up to a system with minor or major damage or a PC that
was completely unusuable because Windows, their video card
driver, or something else had been updated overnight and had a
fatal bug.

Some call me paranoid about this stuff and maybe I am, but I
prefer the term "cautious". How much of what I suggest and
anything others suggest to you, again, depends on how much data
you have, your tolerance for frustration, and your time available
to rebuild your system of disaster does strike.

If you have more questions after reading all of this, ask away,
and good luck!

Dear Jerry,

I have carefully read the item you wrote me at
"microsoft.public.windowsxp.general".
Firstly, it is my honor to make your acquaintance. You are so kind, so
zealous, and so outstanding and respectable!
I am very sorry to say that I was at home with my mother during the
last 2 days(you know it is the weekend); my computer does not connect
with the internet because of the expensive charge here in China!(about
15¡çper month!). You gave me a profile of your life, precious
experience. Here, I thank you very much! You are an excellent example
of the youth like me!
I just wonder if I ask something about Computer Graphics, whether you
can still give me some advice? Your advice is significant for me! At
last, please forgive my poor English!
Thanks very much again!

Best regards!
Laoliao studying at Sichuan University
http://www.scu.edu.cn
 
Today, Laoliao made these interesting comments ...
Dear Jerry,

I have carefully read the item you wrote me at
"microsoft.public.windowsxp.general".
Firstly, it is my honor to make your acquaintance. You are so
kind, so zealous, and so outstanding and respectable!
I am very sorry to say that I was at home with my mother
during the last 2 days(you know it is the weekend); my
computer does not connect with the internet because of the
expensive charge here in China!(about 15¡çper month!). You
gave me a profile of your life, precious experience. Here, I
thank you very much! You are an excellent example of the youth
like me! I just wonder if I ask something about Computer
Graphics, whether you can still give me some advice? Your
advice is significant for me! At last, please forgive my poor
English! Thanks very much again!

Best regards!
Laoliao studying at Sichuan University
http://www.scu.edu.cn
Thank you, glad my information was of help to you. Where exactly is
Sichuan University, sounds like China or some Asian country, as
does your name, but I'm only specluation and certainly not being at
all instulting.
 
Today, Laoliao made these interesting comments ...








Thank you, glad my information was of help to you. Where exactly is
Sichuan University, sounds like China or some Asian country, as
does your name, but I'm only specluation and certainly not being at
all instulting.

Dear Jerry,

Yes, your advice and experiences are VERY PRECIOUS for me! I think I
am at least 20 years younger than you. I am 24, I think that an
experienced success's words are always useful!
Just as you thought, I am from China; Si Chuan is a province, locating
south west of China. Have you heard Cheng du, the capital of Si Chuan
province? If you do not know the city, you must know a very famous,
lovely animal named panda! Cheng du is the hometown of panda! You are
welcome here!
Glad to share your experiences!
Wish you happy and healthy!

Laoliao
 
Today, Laoliao made these interesting comments ...
Dear Jerry,

Yes, your advice and experiences are VERY PRECIOUS for me! I
think I am at least 20 years younger than you. I am 24, I
think that an experienced success's words are always useful!
Just as you thought, I am from China; Si Chuan is a province,
locating south west of China. Have you heard Cheng du, the
capital of Si Chuan province? If you do not know the city, you
must know a very famous, lovely animal named panda! Cheng du
is the hometown of panda! You are welcome here!
Glad to share your experiences!
Wish you happy and healthy!

Laoliao
Thanks muchly for sharing your personal info. You are more than a
little younger than me, I just turned 60 last month. One way or
another, I've been involved with digital computers since my
college days in engineering school in the late 1960s.

Sorry, but while I took what turned out to be a lucky guess about
your nationality, I know virtually zero about your country, other
than it is rapidly emerging from its former days of what we
Americans called Communist oppression into a new age of world-
class production of hard commodities such as cars. And, I know
that you have a growing middle, upper middle, and more wealthy
upper class that perhaps were unheard of in your country a
generation ago.

I did take a class on the history of China while in college,
circa 1967-68 and found it fascinating. As to Si Chuan's most
famous animal, the panda, yes I certainly not only have heard of
them, I very much value the generosity of the Chinese people in
giving American zoos these endangered species animals, usually
only after one of ours, a mate, dies. Almost always, we name our
pandas with a name with meanine to the Chinese people in their
honor.

Thank you for the invitation to visit you. If my health were
better, I might take you up on that! Meanwhile, if you have more
questions, please feel free to post them here. Put somelike like
"Ping HEMI-Powered" in the subject line so I will easily
recognize you else your message might get lost in the thousands I
scan weekly, most of which I do not read.

Good luck with your studies and I hope you do well in whatever
your chosen techical field is when you seek employment.
 
Today, Laoliao made these interesting comments ...








Thanks muchly for sharing your personal info. You are more than a
little younger than me, I just turned 60 last month. One way or
another, I've been involved with digital computers since my
college days in engineering school in the late 1960s.

Sorry, but while I took what turned out to be a lucky guess about
your nationality, I know virtually zero about your country, other
than it is rapidly emerging from its former days of what we
Americans called Communist oppression into a new age of world-
class production of hard commodities such as cars. And, I know
that you have a growing middle, upper middle, and more wealthy
upper class that perhaps were unheard of in your country a
generation ago.

I did take a class on the history of China while in college,
circa 1967-68 and found it fascinating. As to Si Chuan's most
famous animal, the panda, yes I certainly not only have heard of
them, I very much value the generosity of the Chinese people in
giving American zoos these endangered species animals, usually
only after one of ours, a mate, dies. Almost always, we name our
pandas with a name with meanine to the Chinese people in their
honor.

Thank you for the invitation to visit you. If my health were
better, I might take you up on that! Meanwhile, if you have more
questions, please feel free to post them here. Put somelike like
"Ping HEMI-Powered" in the subject line so I will easily
recognize you else your message might get lost in the thousands I
scan weekly, most of which I do not read.

Good luck with your studies and I hope you do well in whatever
your chosen techical field is when you seek employment.

Dear Jerry,

60 is a very lucky age in china, it means that every thing will go
well, of course especially when you are 66.
It is very interesting to talk with you.
You let me know something about your former days. In fact, despite the
internet is very developed, despite the America influenced on China or
other countries very hugely, there are still many differences between
West and Orient, if it was many years ago, it might be very dangerous,
but in 1978, the reform opens of China marked a new epoch! I was
luckily born at 1982.The country did not cease being booming! The gap
between china and other developed countries becomes smaller, though
there is still a LONG way to go!
What I want to convey is that Chinese people has became more friendly
and frank to other western friends, the differences on ideology
between Capitalism and Socialism has been RARELY mentioned. If you
were here, the most-frequently-mentioned words by the government is
"Develop", people do not care about ideology, but they care about
their earnings and life qualities!
You told me we "have a growing middle, upper middle, and more wealthy
upper class that perhaps were unheard of in your country a generation
ago." That is precisely right! 25 years ago, all the people here
nearly received the same earnings, my mom, grandpa, uncle always
depict the former days to me. But now, more and more people become
moneybags! They own limousine such as the cars devised by your group,
by Chrysler. By the way, the 300C seems very notable here in China.
But the gap between rich and poor is becoming larger and more
dangerous; the good thing is the Chinese government has realized it!
I do not know whether the America government still tells the students
to regard Communist as an enemy! If yes, I will be very sorry, I think
different nations have different thinking style, which is not
important; the most important thing is to make friends to progress
together!
At last, Jerry, you told me "Put something like "Ping HEMI-Powered" in
the subject line so I will easily recognize you". OK, thanks very much
for your advice and attention!
Dear Jerry, you are a kindhearted lady, wish you healthy heartily!

Lao Liao
 
Today, Laoliao made these interesting comments ...
Dear Jerry,

60 is a very lucky age in china, it means that every thing
will go well, of course especially when you are 66.
It is very interesting to talk with you.

I'm glad to hear that my age is considered lucky in China. Don't
know if that is generally true here in the United States, but I
personally feel like a very lucky man.
You let me know something about your former days. In fact,
despite the internet is very developed, despite the America
influenced on China or other countries very hugely, there are
still many differences between West and Orient, if it was many
years ago, it might be very dangerous, but in 1978, the reform
opens of China marked a new epoch! I was luckily born at
1982.The country did not cease being booming! The gap between
china and other developed countries becomes smaller, though
there is still a LONG way to go!

China until recent years has always been very closed to American
jouralists, and often restricted to tourists. So, we have never
gotten reliable information on our news channels on TV or in
newspapers. I don't know if Communism fell in the same way the
the former USSR collapped completely in 1990 or 1991, but even if
your country is still called the People's Republic of China, it
is clear that it is a far more open economy with much less
censorship of the press, so that now I am beginning to see
broadcasts on what is happening in China and occasionally read
articles in my newspaper. What I didn't know what that the
reform, as you put it, happened almost 30 years ago! Wow!
What I want to convey is that Chinese people has became more
friendly and frank to other western friends, the differences
on ideology between Capitalism and Socialism has been RARELY
mentioned. If you were here, the most-frequently-mentioned
words by the government is "Develop", people do not care about
ideology, but they care about their earnings and life
qualities! You told me we "have a growing middle, upper
middle, and more wealthy upper class that perhaps were unheard
of in your country a generation ago." That is precisely right!
25 years ago, all the people here nearly received the same
earnings, my mom, grandpa, uncle always depict the former days
to me. But now, more and more people become moneybags! They
own limousine such as the cars devised by your group, by
Chrysler. By the way, the 300C seems very notable here in
China. But the gap between rich and poor is becoming larger
and more dangerous; the good thing is the Chinese government
has realized it! I do not know whether the America government
still tells the students to regard Communist as an enemy! If
yes, I will be very sorry, I think different nations have
different thinking style, which is not important; the most
important thing is to make friends to progress together!
At last, Jerry, you told me "Put something like "Ping
HEMI-Powered" in the subject line so I will easily recognize
you". OK, thanks very much for your advice and attention!
Dear Jerry, you are a kindhearted lady, wish you healthy
heartily!

Lao Liao
I am retired from The Chrysler Group, a division of
DaimlerChrysler AG. We have long built Jeeps in China at Bejing
Jeep, and now also build Chrysler Town & Country minivans and
Chrysler 300C sports sedans. You may have heard that Chrysler
will soon be importing sub-compact sedans from Chery Motors, and
later, we will be building plants to build a wider line of Jeep
vehicles and Dodge trucks, including the new Jeep Wrangers,
Compass, Patriot, Liberty and Grand Cherokee. And, Dodge Nitro
SUVs, RAM large pickups, Dakota mid-size pickups, and Durango
large SUVs. Perhaps also the Dodge Charger R/T sports sedan built
on the same platform as the Chrysler 300.

I mention the 300 because you commented on it in your paragraph.
I have seen several depictions of life within the newly emerging
middle- and upper-middle class Chinese neighborhoods, showing
much, much larger, more luxurious houses than could even have
been imagined during the days of Mao Tse Tung (sp?) maybe 40-50
years ago. And, while we in the United States fear our economy
may be damaged by good produced by Chinese earning only US
$1.25/hour, it seems clear that many Chinese are highly educated
technical professionals in order to afford these large, expensive
houses and cars that would ordinarily seem outrageously too
expensive for the average Chinese car buyer.

BTW, I am a man. Which gender are you? I cannot tell. Jerry can
ge spelled "Jerry" or "Gerry", both of which are male, or
"Gerrie", which is female. My real given name is Gerald, which my
parents shortened to Jerry.

I was most interesting talking to you this morning - it is 7:00AM
Eastern Daylight Time here on Wednesday, April 11. Have a nice
day and study hard at college!
 
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Dear Jerry,

60 is a very lucky age in china, it means that every thing
will go well, of course especially when you are 66.
It is very interesting to talk with you.

Let me make you an offer I forgot about in my first reply a few
minutes ago. If you would like to take our conversation off-line
and get to know each other better, which I would very much like
to do, please E-mail me at the address below:

(e-mail address removed)

I will assure you that anything you say to me privately will be
held in the strictest confidence and NOT repeated anywhere on
Usenet.

Perhaps if you agree to E-mail, we can describe more about our
two great countries and can tell the other more about themselves,
their families, careers, etc. and perhaps exhange some pictures.
So, if you like, please E-mail me. If you'd rather keep your
privacy and prefer to talk only on Usenet, I understand and will
reply to anything you say to me here.

Good luck with your schooling. Among other things, I am
interested in what major you are studying toward and what
employement specialty field(s) you hope to go into later in your
life. I will tell you some interesting stories of my 33 year
career at Chrysler doing many different and interesting job
assignments.

Until later.

-- Jerry Rivers, aka HEMI-Powered

P.S. is "Laoliao" your first name, last name or both together? I
might guess it to be Lao Liao, meaning what we call your given or
first name of Lao and your family or last name Liao.
 
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