Is c# so easy? Easier than c? Think again...

[Dead Dave, Founder of Wendy's]

Paul Hovnanian P.E., you should try our classic single cheddar burger,
just 99 cents (!)

We don't so much care how easy it was for the vendor to crank out. In
fact, in my experience, platforms that support quick and dirty s/w
development tend to get exactly that kind of product built for them. And
then we, the end users, have to pay.

Finally (!)

You know when the books on 'RAD' and
'Extreme Programming' appeared, I thought
they were good ideas.

Now I think they are code words for 'crappy
software' and 'employer exploitation of
contract programmers'. Note - that some
of the RAD ideas (books) were written
by miblosoft people.

Some of the best, most useful and most
stable software systems in the world
were not 'thrown together' but built up
painstakingly over decades, building in
the best ideas.

You know, one of the problems of a group
like this is that when posters say 'software'
they almost always mean desktop applications.

But desktop applications do not run our
society. It's the big information systems
that do. The air traffic controller
software, the NORAD software, the traffic
control software, railroad routing, airplane
reservation systems, police databases,
IRS systems, Social Security information
systems, ADP payroll -- and so on...

 

[Sohail]

with 2.0 its a rich environment, while you are mopping up yer
maintenance shti ill be releasing rich solutions before you even start
emliminating youre bugs and doing boring things like housekeeping.

I think the main thing with the MS guys is that they reimplement the same
program 300 times in two years. Look at MS, they will keep releasing
office 2000 until 2010.
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So yes you may come out with a program faster than another will come out
with one that is sort of similar. However programs developed for the
"other" platforms will likely need very few feature changes because there
is an inherent skill and intelligence level required which directly
affects design and extensibility.

Tell me one windows program that you cannot port to *n.x systems. Windows
is an ok desktop (GNOME/KDE are better) but as a system, it SUCKS. There
is no way in hell I would be willing to have my company infrastructure
and/or business run on windows.

Windows RAD development has come to the point where Joe Blow stupid
programmer can do whatever the hell he wants and as long as it doesnt
break when he steps through it, it works and s/he will think it is
production level.

Part of this has to do with stupid non technically-inclined management too
but dont get me started.

Oh yeah, btw every *good* developer knows that maintenance is more than
the majority of time required for any product. So go on and release your
"rich", market-hype filled, problem-making solutions.

 

[Sohail]

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heh. I must have clicked the middle button

Divide by ZERO!!!

 

[Guest]

Well, you are now tarnishing me with the same brush that you wipe yer anti
ms arsse with yet you know nothing of my skill, laughable troll.

 

[Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?=]

(e-mail address removed) top-posted:

Well, you are now tarnishing me with the same brush that you wipe yer anti
ms arsse with yet you know nothing of my skill, laughable troll.

Considering your language "skills", you would be lucky to know what a
computer language is. So you are probably a VB-"programmer". Or a
"c#-dimwit". One of those people not allowed to clean the toilets in real
IT-shacks

< snip >

 

[Sohail]

Well, you are now tarnishing me with the same brush that you wipe yer
anti ms arsse with yet you know nothing of my skill, laughable troll.

Youre just trying to FUD your way out of the validity of your argument. MS
just teaches you how to do it well.

 

[Sohail]

Youre just trying to FUD your way out of the validity of your argument. MS
just teaches you how to do it well.

heh... of course I meant validity of my argument

Your argument just consists of BS

 

[Sohail]

Well, you are now tarnishing me with the same brush that you wipe yer anti
ms arsse with yet you know nothing of my skill, laughable troll.

Is it just me or do all the MS dumbasses *always* top post?

 

[Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?=]

Is it just me or do all the MS dumbasses *always* top post?

No. Just a certain number of them. A lot of windows dimbulbs now try to look
less stupid. Then they blow it with using OE...

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

[snip]

Some of the best, most useful and most
stable software systems in the world
were not 'thrown together' but built up
painstakingly over decades, building in
the best ideas.

The marketing department specs tail fins this year and oversized rims
next year. Some companies don't do IT architecture. They do chrome and
fuzzy dice.

You know, one of the problems of a group
like this is that when posters say 'software'
they almost always mean desktop applications.

The desktop vs server paradigm is outdated. What I see on my desktop may
be running somewhere else. Or, components of the app. may be running in
several places at once.

This isn't a concept that the typical hub and spoke Windows architects
seem to understand. Or maybe they do understand it, but that approach
won't sell one copy per desktop.

I have worked in an environment where all the Windows software ran on a
server in a closet somewhere. We could support from 10 to 20 desktops
with each Windows license, using an add-on package that would send a
Windows 'desktop' to each display via X11. This was a huge cost savings,
both in licenses and a centralized point at which the Windows apps could
be administered. The displays could be anything including SunOS, HP-UX,
Tektronix Xterms or....Linux.

But this environment didn't sell extra copies of Windows.