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Jan said:Plasme will burn it
LCD should work.
See my other post in this thread. 4:3 TV image has burnt lines into my
HDTV LCD. They are starting to fade now as I force the TV to only use
16:9. Not a happy camper though.
Jan said:Plasme will burn it
LCD should work.
Keith said:Burn in nothing?
Jan said:Even LCD has some 'burn in', but it seems to go away after some time,
or after displaying white for some time, depends on the monitor manufacturer.
Scott said:With LCD (and DLP, too), burn-in isn't an issue.
Scott said:One nice thing about a widescreen LCD is that a 4:3 signal carrying
letterboxed content (which is becoming more and more common) can be zoomed
to fill the screen without distortion. Actual 4:3 content can be shown
as-is without distortion and without burn-in. For true widescreen content
(most HDTV and DVD), having a wide screen kicks ass.
They have every opportunity to read
through the specs before they whip out the credit card. They fail to
do due diligence? Too bad.
George Macdonald said:What bothers me about this whole HDTV thing is the content delivery:
I hate those bloody great STBs, the content deliverers are dragging their
feet on channel cards and the industry is still trying to sell us HDTVs
& recorders without channel card slots... standardisation? ... not
from where I'm looking! The whole thing is a mess with the consumer
in the middle... getting bilked.
Agreed on the mess, but I'm searching more for causes. HDTV
uptake in the US has been dismal to the FCC's and others chagrin.
Mostly due to the scarcity of decode-tuners ("HDTV Ready").
Why weren't these soldered in? Are the decode components that
expensive? Or is there some outsided [submarine patent] royalty?
Keith said:(e-mail address removed) says...
I think it' s mostly because people don't see a need for HD.
It's mostly a yawner.
Why weren't these soldered in? Are the decode components that
expensive? Or is there some outsided [submarine patent] royalty?
Keep up margins; disguise the true price?
Certainly possible, although afficionados ("golden eyes"?) will tell
you otherwise.
I have been very pleasantly surprised at how good
NTSC can look even at only 525 lines. The key is feeding it
proper signal -- SVideo or RGBcomp from a DVD player.
Why weren't these soldered in? Are the decode components that
expensive? Or is there some outsided [submarine patent] royalty?Keep up margins; disguise the true price?
Maybe, but I thought of another possibility: apparently HDTV off-the-air
doesn't work, even in urban areas. Xmit power is too low, so antenna
requirements are significant.
Cable monopolies love this (did they
influence the FCC?) because it makes them the conduit of HDTV and they
don't face competition from broadcast. Setmakers have a big customer
service/returns problem if they include tuners that most consumers
cannot make work with simple indoor antennae. So they leave them off.
Certainly possible, although afficionados ("golden eyes"?) will tell
you otherwise.
Sure, audiophools tell you that you need MonsterCable and gold RCA
connectors too.
I have been very pleasantly surprised at how good
NTSC can look even at only 525 lines. The key is feeding it
proper signal -- SVideo or RGBcomp from a DVD player.
Sure. I've never used RGBComp, though my receiver has the switching
at least some inputs, but SVideo makes a big difference. At some
point though, the difference isn't worth the extra expense. Then
there's the content problem.
Why weren't these soldered in? Are the decode components that
expensive? Or is there some outsided [submarine patent] royalty?Keep up margins; disguise the true price?
Maybe, but I thought of another possibility: apparently HDTV off-the-air
doesn't work, even in urban areas. Xmit power is too low, so antenna
requirements are significant.
Dunno, it seems to be alright in the Boston area. At least the TVs
in the BestBuy down there looked goo with the OTA signal.
Cable monopolies love this (did they
influence the FCC?) because it makes them the conduit of HDTV and they
don't face competition from broadcast. Setmakers have a big customer
service/returns problem if they include tuners that most consumers
cannot make work with simple indoor antennae. So they leave them off.
Oh, *Indoor* antenna. We can't get anything with any sort of
indoor antenna anyway. Actually, I think OTA is almost dead for
reasons other than HD. People really don't want a huge, expensive,
ugly outdoor antenna but do want a clear picture and a gazillion
channels. ...and have the money to pay for it.
Keith said:(e-mail address removed) says...
Dunno, it seems to be alright in the Boston area. At least
the TVs in the BestBuy down there looked goo with the OTA signal.
Oh, *Indoor* antenna. We can't get anything with any sort of
indoor antenna anyway.
Actually, I think OTA is almost dead for reasons other
than HD. People really don't want a huge, expensive,
ugly outdoor antenna but do want a clear picture and a
gazillion channels. ...and have the money to pay for it.
Keith said:(e-mail address removed) says...
Sure, audiophools tell you that you need MonsterCable and gold RCA
connectors too.
That's the way I am buying. Places like Pricewatch or Nextag can find
you the same gadget for about 30% less, and delivery charge is often
less than sales tax that you avoid online. But it helps to see the
thing in the store to "feel" it. BTW, some stores sometimes match
online price when you bring the printout - helpful when the thing is
small enough to fit in the car, and you need it *now*.
"The whole thing is a mess" - can't agree more.
"consumer in the middle...getting bilked." - respectfully disagree.
Maybe in N.Korea, Cuba, and few other places the customers are (or at
some point will be) required to acquire the sets to see Beloved Leader
Kim / Comrade Fidel / Supreme Bozo in full glory of HD. In all other
parts of the world the consumers part with their money willfully
because they want to keep up with the Joneses or for whatever reason
think 42" Plasma is a must-have. They have every opportunity to read
through the specs before they whip out the credit card. They fail to
do due diligence? Too bad.
George Macdonald said:What bothers me about this whole HDTV thing is the content delivery:
I hate those bloody great STBs, the content deliverers are dragging their
feet on channel cards and the industry is still trying to sell us HDTVs
& recorders without channel card slots... standardisation? ... not
from where I'm looking! The whole thing is a mess with the consumer
in the middle... getting bilked.
Agreed on the mess, but I'm searching more for causes. HDTV
uptake in the US has been dismal to the FCC's and others chagrin.
Mostly due to the scarcity of decode-tuners ("HDTV Ready").
Why weren't these soldered in? Are the decode components that
expensive? Or is there some outsided [submarine patent] royalty?
That's the way I am buying. Places like Pricewatch or Nextag can find
you the same gadget for about 30% less, and delivery charge is often
less than sales tax that you avoid online. But it helps to see the
thing in the store to "feel" it. BTW, some stores sometimes match
online price when you bring the printout - helpful when the thing is
small enough to fit in the car, and you need it *now*.
"The whole thing is a mess" - can't agree more.
"consumer in the middle...getting bilked." - respectfully disagree.
Maybe in N.Korea, Cuba, and few other places the customers are (or at
some point will be) required to acquire the sets to see Beloved Leader
Kim / Comrade Fidel / Supreme Bozo in full glory of HD. In all other
parts of the world the consumers part with their money willfully
because they want to keep up with the Joneses or for whatever reason
think 42" Plasma is a must-have. They have every opportunity to read
through the specs before they whip out the credit card. They fail to
do due diligence? Too bad.
Depends how you look at it and where you live. With my old "analog" cable
service, I had a splitter which went to my TV and my VHS; I could watch any
channel and record from any another, *except* if I wanted to watch a
premium channel which had to go through the descrambler/tuner/recorder.
Now with this half-assed Moto STB, half the channels are analog, half are
digital and I have to use the cable cos. tuner which has a delay up to 1sec
or so to switch channels. Oh and all the fancy tuning features of my TV,
e.g. picture-in-picture, are just so much wasted electronics and my wasted
$$.
On top of all that, a coupla weeks after getting the new cable company's
STB, the tuner on my (premium) Sony[grrrr] VHS recorder went gaga... fault
of the STB's FM modulator??<shrug>... which doesn't do stereo sound. Now,
obviously I need to get a better TV with digital tuning but damned if I'm
going into that quagmire with the state things are in... nor am I going to
buy a DVD recorder which won't fit my bill.
All I want to be able to do is something which approaches what I could do
with my old setup with analog cable service but I just don't see how...
progress?... not from my angle. Whether you want it or not, analog is
going away in a year or two - the content providers see it as a way to
change all the rules so they can "provide" "services" for extra $$ just
like the Telcos. I feel bilked and I don't see anybody stepping up to
supply what I want.
George Macdonald said:So the guy who sells them suffers from flashing 12:00 syndrome? And
then they have the nerve to complain that people only look and then buy
on-line!
What bothers me about this whole HDTV thing is the content delivery: I
hate
those bloody great STBs, the content deliverers are dragging their feet
on
channel cards and the industry is still trying to sell us HDTVs &
recorders
without channel card slots... standardisation??... not from where I'm
looking! The whole thing is a mess with the consumer in the middle...
getting bilked.
George Macdonald said:Well, partly due to all the "mess" and confusion I haven't
delved into it too deeply but one thing I haven't found out
yet is: are the cable companies supposed (compelled) to supply
a digital signal which is compatible with a digital OTA tuner?
Even if that were the case, the current situation, here and I
believe elsewhere, is that the cable company supplies a mix of
analog (up to channel 80) and digital channels so their STB is
kinda essential to get umm, easy access.
On top of that the local broadcasters dragged their feet and
really wanted to divide up the digital bandwidth into multiple
non-HD channels - dunno if that has been settled yet??
My impression is that all the content providers are still
haggling over what & how to provide with the goal of converting
such a watershed change into max $$... and min "service".
Why do I get the feeling I'm being prepared to bend over?
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